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Post by elliejay21 on Mar 18, 2008 12:50:39 GMT -5
I don't know what to title this thread or where it even should go, but I found this utterly ridiculous & worthy enough of discussion to come on here during the work day to post about it...
The below email was forwarded to me from one of my networking email lists...
Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:22 am (PDT) E-mail tommynoring@yahoo.com
We are a group of 14 friends (mostly attorneys and finance guys)who are having our annual fantasy baseball draft sat 3/22. This year we want to make it more fun and are looking for 2 or 3 hostesses (either topless or nude) to serve drinks and food. We have done this before for poker parties and in each case it was a lot of fun. The hostesses just make the party better. Please know that we are all very respectful and this is a well-intentioned posting. It is only about serving drinks and food. The pay is $50/hr (guaranteed at least 3 hours) and in the past some have included nice tips as well because the event was so fun. And of course food and drinks are included as well. If you are interested please reply with a few words about yourself and send a description or photo and please also send a contact number. We are looking for two or three fun, friendly, nice women. You don't have to know anything about baseball and if you do feel free to wear your favorite team's cap and give us your advice!
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 18, 2008 12:53:09 GMT -5
Are you saying you want the gig?
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Post by Ms. Jericho on Mar 18, 2008 12:55:51 GMT -5
None of the above. If the girl doing it doesn't feel degraded by it what's it to me?
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Post by iamnotatablelamp on Mar 18, 2008 13:09:48 GMT -5
I agree with Dana. Although I might think the guys in question are douchebags for wanting what they want, the post isn't really all that disrespectful in itself.
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Post by Ms. Jericho on Mar 18, 2008 13:14:49 GMT -5
The guys may or may not be douchebags, but I don't think that is the real issue. They wouldn't be able to be douchebags if there were no women to go along with it, and there will be.
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Post by 9 on Mar 18, 2008 13:36:32 GMT -5
What Dana said.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 18, 2008 13:41:34 GMT -5
I don't know if I could consider the guys douchebags either. It's not exactly abnormal for a bunch of guys to want topless chicks near them.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Mar 18, 2008 13:46:11 GMT -5
maybe Laura is having a party and wants naked men around, it was a trick question.
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Post by iamnotatablelamp on Mar 18, 2008 13:58:34 GMT -5
I don't know if I could consider the guys douchebags either. It's not exactly abnormal for a bunch of guys to want topless chicks near them. I didn't say it was abnormal. I just think it's classless, so in my opinion the guys are douchebags and the girl is an idiot.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Mar 18, 2008 14:00:00 GMT -5
personally, if I were the girl, I'd hold out for $4400/hr.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 18, 2008 14:04:31 GMT -5
I can accept that Rose. I guess I don't think of the term "douchebag" as similar to "classless." But I agree it's classless.
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Post by iamnotatablelamp on Mar 18, 2008 14:10:26 GMT -5
yeah, well i use douchbag for various jerks and idiots i come across. for instance...
people who drive like assholes people who stop dead in their tracks on busy city sidewalks people who hold up lines in the grocery store because they forgot something
my use of the word is really unlimited...
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 18, 2008 14:11:34 GMT -5
Eh I dunno how classless or douchy the guys are. For one thing, I agree with Balls, drunk guys like to look at topless girls. So anyone who goes to a strip club(pleasure or work) is then classless too? I can agree it's not normal for a fantasy draft, but I don't see how far different it is from a bartender having her tits come half way out her top and a guy going to a strip club for a lap dance.
That said, shouldn't they have made a post on craigslist instead?
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Post by iamnotatablelamp on Mar 18, 2008 14:15:07 GMT -5
So anyone who goes to a strip club(pleasure or work) is then classless too? In my world, yes.
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Post by Ms. Jericho on Mar 18, 2008 14:33:24 GMT -5
I agree with Rose. I personally think strip clubs and such are pretty tacky. However, I won't condemn anyone who enjoys them. This is no different from a strip club or a bachelor party with hired strippers or whatever. And like I said the guys "may or may not be douchebags." If the girls participating are willing to take their clothes off for a hundred and fifty bucks and some free hotwings that is their problem (assuming they are old enough to do so). What troubles me most is that a) pictures are not mandatory and b) there is no way to prove that the picture is really that girl or not. Seems like they are setting themselves up for a major disappointment. Ah well.
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Post by crazilyz on Mar 18, 2008 14:41:46 GMT -5
I vote for classless for the simple fact that this e-mail is going to 1) mixed company, 2) some corporate e-mail addresses.
He may have been better off posting an ad on CraigList.
What these guys do in their spare time is none of my business because heck, they could've been looking for raunchier stuff.
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Post by Chris on Mar 18, 2008 14:44:11 GMT -5
Not to defend these guys...actually not to chastise them either. To each their own. Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with admiring an attractive woman, but I'm married and I don't think it would be very respectful to indulge in the kind of activity described in the email, BUT.....
So it's only the guys that are guilty here? Never mind the fact that there are tons of women out there more than happy to indulge this?
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Post by Ms. Jericho on Mar 18, 2008 14:47:20 GMT -5
That's what I've been saying.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 18, 2008 14:51:06 GMT -5
You definitely have a broader use of the word douche than I do. I limit it to someone who is an asshole, or the equivalent. I do agree that strip clubs are classless, but at the same time, I think there are times when being classless is also fun. This is definitely a no harm, no foul thing.
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Post by kingdzbws on Mar 18, 2008 14:57:25 GMT -5
CLASSLESS LOSER FOR HAVING TO ADVERTISE FOR IT
DOUCHEBAG FOR NOT KNOWING THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO FIND WHAT THEIR LOOKING FOR AND CHOOSING TO EMAIL 'FRIENDS'
SUCKER FOR HAVING HIS EMAIL POSTED IN PUBLIC
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 18, 2008 15:06:59 GMT -5
That's what they all say till a train gets run on one of them.
I don't disagree with what anyone is saying, but how something like this is classless(cause as it seems, it appears harmless and innocent) I just don't get. Not for nothing, but women dress a certain way in certain situations to get attention. They make a living doing this. I understand some women not being comfortable with that and never wanting anything to do with that. But throw me in the category a woman can do whatever she wnats with her body. If she wants to get an abortion go for it. You want to spice up the bedroom and do rape fantasies, fine. Me personally, I just feel who am I to say a girl showing some skin is classy or not. I guess all my point is in one sentence, I think class is in the personality and not the occupation. And since I don't know these girls(or guys), I'm not going to judge someone. It's an excuse to have a bachelor party for a baseball draft, so what?
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Post by 9 on Mar 18, 2008 15:15:14 GMT -5
CLASSLESS LOSER FOR HAVING TO ADVERTISE FOR IT DOUCHEBAG FOR NOT KNOWING THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO FIND WHAT THEIR LOOKING FOR AND CHOOSING TO EMAIL 'FRIENDS' SUCKER FOR HAVING HIS EMAIL POSTED IN PUBLIC Couldn't have said it better myself. Especially the last part.
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Post by Ms. Jericho on Mar 18, 2008 15:27:08 GMT -5
What I want to know is where this is being held?
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Post by iamnotatablelamp on Mar 18, 2008 15:29:20 GMT -5
That's what they all say till a train gets run on one of them. I don't disagree with what anyone is saying, but how something like this is classless(cause as it seems, it appears harmless and innocent) I just don't get. Not for nothing, but women dress a certain way in certain situations to get attention. They make a living doing this. I understand some women not being comfortable with that and never wanting anything to do with that. But throw me in the category a woman can do whatever she wnats with her body. If she wants to get an abortion go for it. You want to spice up the bedroom and do rape fantasies, fine. Me personally, I just feel who am I to say a girl showing some skin is classy or not. I guess all my point is in one sentence, I think class is in the personality and not the occupation. And since I don't know these girls(or guys), I'm not going to judge someone. It's an excuse to have a bachelor party for a baseball draft, so what? Oh, I certainly agree that a woman can do whatever she wants with her body. I'm just saying that in my opinion, I find strip clubs and the like distasteful. I'm not going to advocate that they be shut down and I'm certainly not going to condemn those who frequent such places or the women who "dance" in them. However, I still think it's sleazy - especially if the men who are going are in committed relationships. As for the women, I'm torn. Yeah, a lot of them are sleazy too, but hey, if men are stupid enough to spend tons of money on women they can't have sex with, then why not take advantage.
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 18, 2008 15:34:55 GMT -5
Yeah I'm not a fan of clubs either, for numerous reasons, I just see this specific event as a bacherlor party for a baseball draft, if these guys can't just have sports and booze, let them waste more money.
And yeah, if this place is at someones house, forget what I said, whatever chicks go are goners. Or at the very least, their pride will be.
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Post by kingdzbws on Mar 18, 2008 15:35:56 GMT -5
I don't think the women are classless, if they are empowered to make a buck off their bodies, great. I don't have any problems with Strippers or Hookers what-so-ever.
But if you need Tits in your face to pick a fantasy team or play poker, your a sucker. How about this....Go get laid, then make your picks. You don't need every vice together. Do we need to be any more like the Romans??
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Post by Ms. Jericho on Mar 18, 2008 15:39:53 GMT -5
Eh, 150 to 200 bucks to serve food and booze naked to drunk men? I don't think that is empowering at all.
My favorite part is where the guy throws in how "they are mostly attorneys and finance guys." Like that has any bearing on anything.
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Post by Chris on Mar 18, 2008 15:56:58 GMT -5
Kind of following the idea that some others have posted here....I''ve never been a fan of strip clubs. To me there are three, and only three, kinds of guys who go to strip clubs.
1) Guys who are legitimately hard up to see some naked women. That is sad. Maybe it's not their fault, but sad nonetheless.
2) Guys who want to booze it up and raise some hell with their buddies. Not sad, but dumb. Strip clubs are too expensive - go to a sports bar, shoot pool, watch a game, ogle the attractive waitresses at those places, talk shit to each other, and just generally be obnoxious there - a regular bar is infinitely more fun and more economical than a strip club.
3) Guys who realistically think they are going to pull a stripper out of there and get lucky. These guys are usually young and cocky - BROs. (I know this well because I live in the one of three places that can claim to be the BRO capital of the world - Orange County, The South Bay, and Riverside). They are sad AND delusional.
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 18, 2008 16:00:06 GMT -5
I think it's empowering, if a woman feels comfortable in her own skin and with her own body to serve food and drinks, or pose for a magazine with a dildo in every orafice, that's a lot of confidence. That's empowering in my opinion. The pay may not say the same thing, but if girls are cool with showing their bodies off, good for them.
But I agree, the little throw in of the guys jobs is a bit strange. It's one of the first things I actually though when I read, it, if you want girls for a live draft, what does their job matter. I'm predicting dead hookers in the news soon.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Mar 18, 2008 16:01:37 GMT -5
Balls,, get yourself invited. You are a lawyer, and more trusting than a mechanic.
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