$heriff Tom
Administrator
Groom ba ya ya ya
Posts: 16,173
|
Post by $heriff Tom on May 1, 2007 8:53:50 GMT -5
This should probably have its own thread. The Fallen Baseball Players thread, devoted to the lost, is being tainted. I would like to see more respect and decorum, especially out of the snide Metssuckballs.
|
|
MSBNYY
Administrator
El Guapo
Posts: 15,545
|
Post by MSBNYY on May 1, 2007 8:56:27 GMT -5
You're probably right about that. Though we are technically talking about fallen ballplayers.
|
|
|
Post by grover on May 1, 2007 8:59:32 GMT -5
No, support it, or you're stupid.
I really can understand your argument on the number of times over the past few years MLB has honored him, because it is trivializing it and making it unimportant, but your Ruth argument is fucking insane. You just pointed out that Ruth was popular, not anything about his impact on anything other than in the celebrity world and that he has an analogy made after him. Right, and so I guess Fonzie is bigger than Jackie Robinson because everyone uses the term "Jumpped the Shark", right?
You're a goof.
|
|
MSBNYY
Administrator
El Guapo
Posts: 15,545
|
Post by MSBNYY on May 1, 2007 9:07:31 GMT -5
I just did support it.
Ruth wasn't just popular. He had the biggest impact on the game of any single individual in the history of ANY sport. He was a legend on and off the field. He changed the game. Before Ruth, no one hit HRs. After Ruth, the HR became a much bigger part of the game.
Ruth helped make the sport popular world wide. When he visited Japan in 1934, 500000 people turned out.
Jackie Robinson did some great things, but he did NOT impact the game as much as Ruth did, and does NOT deserve that honor. It was overkill.
Just saying "Ruth was popular" is the only trivializing going on here. I'm not trivializing Robinson. It WAS important. But he was NOT the most important person ever to play the game. He was NOT the most important person in baseball history. And even if he were, he would still not deserve to have his number retired by every team in baseball. That was a moronic PC idea that was even more asinine than wearing a black armband for an asshole who flew into a building and played for your team for 10 games.
|
|
|
Post by Bad Mouth Larry on May 1, 2007 9:18:15 GMT -5
listening to the overnight on espnradio (damn i like that show) that hancock was seen by people drinking in a bar before his crash. the couple reported to have seen him, left the establishment at 1030, 2 hours before the crash, and witnessed him drinking more than a few in their stay there. this has the looks of dwi on it.
i wish he played in the al so we can create and sing a song at the cardinals when they come to town
|
|
|
Post by Bad Mouth Larry on May 1, 2007 9:19:16 GMT -5
* the couple left the establishment at 1030, not hancock. so the assumption being hancock was drinking until AT LEAST 2 hours before the crash. this could get ugly.
|
|
|
Post by jwmcc on May 1, 2007 9:26:50 GMT -5
Yeah, the guy probably made a mistake. And?
|
|
MSBNYY
Administrator
El Guapo
Posts: 15,545
|
Post by MSBNYY on May 1, 2007 9:30:43 GMT -5
And now he's dead. Jon Corzine thinks he's a pussy.
|
|
$heriff Tom
Administrator
Groom ba ya ya ya
Posts: 16,173
|
Post by $heriff Tom on May 1, 2007 9:31:03 GMT -5
Yeah, some blogger had said he saw Hancock drinking earlier in the night at that bar. Also, dont forget the oddball story about how Hancock was a no-show for a game a few days before, cause he "thought it was a late start" and his panicked teammates needed to call him 20 times before he answered the phone. I have also seen it implied in a few places that Hancock was indeed quite the good-time Charlie.
But, as someone said, let me remember that the guy died, and not necessarily worry about how. Fact is, he hit a stopped tow truck that had blinking lights, and was also blaring its horn when it saw him zipping close.
|
|
MSBNYY
Administrator
El Guapo
Posts: 15,545
|
Post by MSBNYY on May 1, 2007 9:33:55 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by elliejay21 on May 1, 2007 13:12:48 GMT -5
Balls, I'm not knocking Joe D, but the guy was NOT a war hero. He was stateside teaching PE for the duration.
|
|
MSBNYY
Administrator
El Guapo
Posts: 15,545
|
Post by MSBNYY on May 1, 2007 13:23:26 GMT -5
That's not a knock on DiMaggio at all.
You made me look that up. You're actually right. According to wikipedia, "DiMaggio's popularitywas such that it was feared that if he was put in harm's way and killed, it would devastate morale." I found several sources making that claim, but it all seems to be the wikipedia article.
Either way, I'll definitely concede that he is not the same level of hero as a combat vet. But he did serve his country honorably.
|
|
|
Post by grover on May 1, 2007 15:24:21 GMT -5
I just did support it. Ruth wasn't just popular. He had the biggest impact on the game of any single individual in the history of ANY sport. He was a legend on and off the field. He changed the game. Before Ruth, no one hit HRs. After Ruth, the HR became a much bigger part of the game. Ruth helped make the sport popular world wide. When he visited Japan in 1934, 500000 people turned out. Jackie Robinson did some great things, but he did NOT impact the game as much as Ruth did, and does NOT deserve that honor. It was overkill. Just saying "Ruth was popular" is the only trivializing going on here. I'm not trivializing Robinson. It WAS important. But he was NOT the most important person ever to play the game. He was NOT the most important person in baseball history. And even if he were, he would still not deserve to have his number retired by every team in baseball. That was a moronic PC idea that was even more asinine than wearing a black armband for an asshole who flew into a building and played for your team for 10 games. So wait, before Ruth, no one hit HRs, but after Ruth, there were HRs? And Before Robinson, there were no black players in the MLB, but after Robinson, there were. Right, I got you. Two guys do the same thing, but it doesn't count for one person. It's funny how you say worldwide and only bring up Japan. Sorry Balls, but Ruth did nothing for anything other than baseball. Robinson, on the other hand, changed Baseball, Football, Basketball, hell, and even Hockey. If Ruth was much more important, why didn't he get Presidential Medal of Freedom? Where's Ruth's Congressional Gold Medal? Why didn't they retire Ruth's number league wide? Where's Ruth on Time's 100 people of the 20th Century? Where's the Babe Ruth Foundation? Does anyone have plans to open a Babe Ruth Museum and Learning Center in lower Manhattan like they plan to do for Robinson? They should you know, because according to you, Babe Ruth is more important than Jackie Robinson, and what Jackie Robinson went through pales in comparison to what Ruth went though. How DARE anyone compare Robinson's cakewalk of daily death threats and taunting and racism and anguish to the against all odds struggle Ruth went though of drinking smoking cigars and fucking women!! FOR SHAME!!! Anyone else notice how Balls brought up two YANKEES as examples of 'importance'? LOL!!
|
|
|
Post by jwmcc on May 1, 2007 15:29:49 GMT -5
"They should you know, because according to you, Babe Ruth is more important than Jackie Robinson, and what Jackie Robinson went through pales in comparison to what Ruth went though. How DARE anyone compare Robinson's cakewalk of daily death threats and taunting and racism and anguish to the against all odds struggle Ruth went though of drinking smoking cigars and fucking women!! FOR SHAME!!!
Anyone else notice how Balls brought up two YANKEES as examples of 'importance'?"
LOL!
|
|
MSBNYY
Administrator
El Guapo
Posts: 15,545
|
Post by MSBNYY on May 1, 2007 15:32:03 GMT -5
You could say Ruth did nothing for anyone other than baseball all you want, but that's just sticking your head in the sand. Just because Ruth was a Yankee doesn't change how significant he was, and you don't get baseball fandom points for trivializing yet another Yankee and writing LOL.
Baseball would be integrated whether or not Jackie Robinson ever existed. Baseball became the national pasttime in the first place in large part due to Ruth. Without Ruth, Jackie Robinson may not have had a game to integrate.
Robinson's impact on the game was not as big as Ruth's. Who cares about Time Magazine? They had Hitler on the same list. Great company.
On ESPN's list, Ruth was ranked ahead of Robinson, as he should have been.
Ruth became a mythical figure. He was far more than just a baseball player. Too bad the anti-Yankee blinders are getting in the way of you recognizing that.
|
|
|
Post by grover on May 1, 2007 15:35:03 GMT -5
What did Ruth do for Football and Basketball?!?!?!?! LOLOLLOOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!
|
|
|
Post by Jason Giambi on May 1, 2007 15:39:41 GMT -5
ruth was a better player but robinson was more of an influential figure.
|
|
|
Post by IronHorse4 on May 1, 2007 15:50:39 GMT -5
"Robinson's impact on the game was not as big as Ruth's." - MetsSuckBalls
This is one of the top 5 dumbest statements I have ever read.
|
|
MSBNYY
Administrator
El Guapo
Posts: 15,545
|
Post by MSBNYY on May 1, 2007 16:10:23 GMT -5
Then you haven't read much. Because it's still the truth.
What did ROBINSON do for football and basketball? Do you honestly think that he is some sort of black messiah and there wouldn't be integrated sports without him?
To take a page from your book, LOLOLOLOLOLOL.
|
|
|
Post by grover on May 1, 2007 16:18:24 GMT -5
You're ducking my question by asking a question. Please explain in detail what Babe Ruth did for Football and Basketball.
|
|
MSBNYY
Administrator
El Guapo
Posts: 15,545
|
Post by MSBNYY on May 1, 2007 16:21:45 GMT -5
It's not relevant, just like Robinson did nothing for any other sport. He did nothing to deserve the overinflated honors he received. The 50th anniversary season? Fine. A highway? Fine.
But treating him like a God and giving him an honor like that? Ridiculous.
|
|
$heriff Tom
Administrator
Groom ba ya ya ya
Posts: 16,173
|
Post by $heriff Tom on May 1, 2007 17:29:13 GMT -5
Yay racism! Hey, Balls...
|
|
MSBNYY
Administrator
El Guapo
Posts: 15,545
|
Post by MSBNYY on May 1, 2007 17:46:22 GMT -5
Hey Tom!!!!
|
|
|
Post by grover on May 1, 2007 19:11:28 GMT -5
"It's not relevant" = "I have no answer"
Nice three legged table argument.
|
|
|
Post by Jackass on May 1, 2007 20:00:15 GMT -5
Babe Ruth was black.
Plus he plowed Lou Gehrig's wife.
|
|
|
Post by elliejay21 on May 1, 2007 21:22:04 GMT -5
Yeah, without Jackie Robinson, eventually there would have been black athletes integrated in professional sports.
Without Rosa Parks, black people eventually would have sat where ever they wanted on busses, and without that Brown kid in Topeka, Kansas, black kids would have eventualy gone to school with white kids.
Without Abraham Lincoln, some dude eventually would have written the Emancipation Proclamation.
Without George Washington, someone would have been the first president of the United States of America.
Balls, you are a retard.
|
|
|
Post by 9 on May 1, 2007 21:56:54 GMT -5
Common thread: Jackie Robinson, Rosa Parks, Abraham Lincoln and George Washington never played for the Yankees.
|
|
|
Post by elliejay21 on May 1, 2007 22:40:16 GMT -5
You know who else never played for the Yankees? Barry Bonds. He beat Babe Ruth's record, but it doesn't count, because he never played for the Yankees... and he's black.
He probably cheated with steroids, too, and that's bad, because he never played for the Yankees. It's OK, if Gary Sheffield used steroids with Barry Bonds, because even though he's black, too, he played for the Yankees at the time, and played well. Giambi might have used steriods, too, but it doesn't matter because he apologized for not doing anything wrong, and even though he sucks, he plays for the Yankees.
|
|
|
Post by grover on May 1, 2007 22:40:54 GMT -5
Common thread: Jackie Robinson, Rosa Parks, Abraham Lincoln and George Washington never played for the Yankees. George Washington also shouldn't have his number retired by every team in the MLB. He mean meaningful and all, but he was no Babe Ruth. Japanese people used to throw noodles and go "I no rike Babe Ruuf!" during WWII, so you know he means more than everyone.
|
|
|
Post by elliejay21 on May 1, 2007 22:58:59 GMT -5
Hey, you know, there are some other dead black ballplayers who never played for the Yankees...
Willie Stargell and Kirby Pucket both hit for the cycle and Babe Ruth never did that... and I think the fans in Pittsburgh and Minnesota, respectively, might debate the importance of Babe Ruth compared to players who got rings and HOF inductions for what they did in those towns...
|
|