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Post by sancho231 on Aug 3, 2008 18:42:42 GMT -5
that white sox pitcher threw a limp wisted blow to olivo really soft one. guess he didnt want to break his hand
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Post by 9 on Aug 4, 2008 11:51:59 GMT -5
that white sox pitcher threw a limp wisted blow to olivo really soft one. guess he didnt want to break his hand Seriously ... that was one of the most feeble attempts at a punch I've ever seen. And for once I agree with Ozzie Guillen: Why the hell would they be throwing at that stiff with the bases loaded?
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Post by $heriff Tom on Aug 4, 2008 22:33:38 GMT -5
And teammates get into it. Fun, fun! I just watched the vid, and Fielder really went at him.
CINCINNATI (AP) -- In what's becoming an annual occurrence, the Milwaukee Brewers are losing games -- and their composure -- in early August.
Bronson Arroyo lasted six innings on a muggy night and hit a bases-loaded double on Monday night, sending the Cincinnati Reds to a 6-3 victory that left the Brewers with a next-to-nothing lead in the NL wild card race.
Their patience is running out, too.
After Manny Parra (9-5) left for a pinch-hitter in the seventh inning, first baseman Prince Fielder went up to him in the dugout and exchanged words. Fielder then shoved Parra twice before teammates pulled him away.
It was reminiscent of Aug. 2 last season, when manager Ned Yost got into a heated dispute with catcher Johnny Estrada in the dugout tunnel during a loss to the Mets and players intervened. That came during a run of 10 losses in 14 games, a fade that dropped them out of first place.
They're at it again.
"If you want to know what happened or what transpired -- blow-by-blow or what words were said -- I'm sorry, you're not going to know," Yost said, his voice rising. "It's private. It's between us, and it's not a big deal. And it's not the first time it ever happened, and it won't be the last."
There's good reason for rising frustration.
Since they were tied with the Cubs for first place in the NL Central on July 26, the Brewers have dropped seven of nine. They got swept by the Cubs in a four-game showdown last week, and saw their lead for the wild card reduced to a half-game over idle St. Louis with their latest loss.
They've entered a stretch that represents a good chance for a turnaround. They play 10 consecutive games against last-place teams: Cincinnati, Washington and San Diego.
It didn't go well in game No. 1, either on the field or in the dugout.
"You never want this stuff to happen, but who cares?" infielder Craig Counsell said. "We lost tonight, that's the worst thing that happened. The other stuff's forgotten. It's not surprising when we're all competing, we're all trying real hard and we get frustrated. It's going to happen. Everybody gets to see it -- oh, well."
Fielder declined through a club spokesman to talk to the media. Parra didn't want to talk about the altercation, either.
"Stuff happens like that all the time," Parra said. "We're not too concerned about it."
The right-handed Arroyo (10-8) extended his midseason surge, winning for the sixth time in his last seven starts. He also had a two-run double in the fifth inning off Parra that put the Reds ahead to stay. Jay Bruce added a two-run homer for the Reds, who won for only the second time in the last 10 games.
The stands were dotted with fans wearing Ken Griffey Jr. jerseys for the Reds' first home game without him. The Reds traded Griffey to the White Sox last Thursday during a road trip.
The countdown board in center field that listed Griffey's career homers was still there, but in place of a 600-series number was a "Good Luck Junior!" wish. His locker at the end of the clubhouse was empty except for plastic coat hangars. Two photos of himself and his father, former Reds outfielder Ken Sr., were still affixed to the walls on either side of the lockers.
"That's our first win since Junior was traded," manager Dusty Baker said. "When you lose a guy who's been here a while, it's always a shock. Maybe we'll start rolling now."
The left-handed Parra didn't allow a hit until Jolbert Cabrera singled with one out in the fifth. The 25-year-old pitcher then came apart, walking the next two batters and leaving a 2-2 fastball down the middle for Arroyo, who doubled to left for a 2-0 lead. Joey Votto followed with a two-run single past a diving Fielder at first base.
"He pitched great until the hit, then kind of just lost it from that point on," Yost said. "I don't think he loses focus, but definitely this has been a bit of a trend at times, where he'll be lights-out and then all of a sudden just kind of hit a wall."
Mike Cameron and Ryan Braun hit solo homers off Cincinnati's bullpen. Francisco Cordero gave up a walk and a hit in the ninth before closing it out for his 22nd save in 28 chances, leaving the Brewers to do some damage control in the clubhouse.
"When I was a kid growing up, the Oakland A's would fight each other every single day -- that's why they called them the fighting A's -- and they won the world championship," Yost said. "It's not a major deal. It's what happens. It makes teams better."
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 20, 2008 7:49:31 GMT -5
Four ejected in Tigers-Tribe fracas Sheffield charges Carmona from first after being hit by pitchCLEVELAND -- The scoreboard at Progressive Field had been promoting postgame fireworks for much of Friday night's game between the Indians and Tigers. They weren't anticipating the ones involving Gary Sheffield, during or after the game. The in-game fireworks broke out suddenly when Sheffield and Fausto Carmona went at each other in the seventh inning, causing both benches to clear. The closing fireworks from Sheffield came when the game was over, a burst of frustration that had been simmering for the final few innings after he was ejected.
"There's a point I get to where it's hard to come back from," Sheffield said. "And when I get to that point, you're going to have to deal with me -- today, tomorrow, until the day I get you."
He was talking about the Indians players who punched him in the back of the head while he and Carmona were wrestling. But he also sent a clear message to Carmona, whom he feels targeted him with a pitch. That started the tempers until they finally erupted a minute later, sending off an incident between two teams that really haven't had issues with each other over the last several years.
"It's just one of those unfortunate incidents," said hitting coach Lloyd McClendon, who managed the game while Jim Leyland began serving his three-game suspension.
It took more than 12 minutes for Friday's fracas to calm down. Sheffield might have been calm after the game, but he clearly wasn't in a mood to forget it.
Carmona gave up a go-ahead home run to Miguel Cabrera two batters before Sheffield came up in the seventh. Carmona's 0-1 fastball hit Sheffield in his left elbow. Sheffield paused for a moment at the blow, then walked slowly to first base while still holding his bat. The bat boy followed him down the first-base line and finally got the bat once Sheffield reached the base.
"I've tried to play the game the right way," Sheffield said, "and if I hit a home run against a guy, normally guys try to send a message to me. If someone else hits a home run off a guy, don't take it out on me."
Carmona declined to discuss the incident.
It was the second time this season that Carmona had hit Sheffield with a pitch, the other time coming at the tail end of back-to-back hit-by-pitches here April 17. Sheffield, however, was under the impression that Carmona had hit him another time.
Carmona gathered himself on the mound, then as play resumed, he quickly threw over to first baseman Michael Aubrey covering the bag. Sheffield waved at Carmona to throw to the plate, not at first base.
"The thing is, obviously when somebody hits you, the first reaction is somebody is going to try to steal [second base]," Sheffield said. "I'm not going anywhere. It was a short lead."
Carmona answered back, seemingly beckoning at Sheffield. That sent Sheffield sprinting to the mound as the benches and bullpens cleared.
"He called me out," Sheffield said. "If you call me out, I answer the call."
The speed with which he answered caught many off guard.
"Obviously he was pretty upset when he got hit," Aubrey said. "He just wanted to make his point known that he was upset. I thought he was just going to get to first and mouth off a little bit and let him know. ... Then he took off, totally surprised me."
From there, the situation quickly fell apart into a scrum, with Sheffield and Carmona wrestling in the middle while others tried to separate them. Carmona delivered a couple of punches to the top of Sheffield's head before Magglio Ordonez and others grabbed him. Asdrubal Cabrera charged in from behind and got in a shot on Sheffield's head with his glove, as did catcher Victor Martinez before Brandon Inge tackled him.
"I'm trying to throw him to the ground," Sheffield said of Carmona. "That way, I can see what's coming at me. But when I'm throwing him to the ground, I'm getting punched in the back of the head."
He eventually discovered who was punching him. After he was ejected, he went into the clubhouse and watched replays to find out.
"I saw the tape," he said. "I know who they are. And I guarantee you, they'll have to deal with me."
Those replays also showed Sheffield landing a punch on Carmona once they collided.
"I got the one hand I needed to get in," Sheffield said, "and I guarantee you he felt it."
The peacemakers eventually prevailed, having pulled the players apart. Martinez, by then on the third-base side of the mound, nearly restarted matters when he yelled across the infield at Sheffield, who at that point was being ushered back to the dugout by Detroit coaches Chuck Hernandez, Gene Lamont and Gene Roof.
"If he wants to do something, charge right there [after the hit-by-pitch]," Martinez said. "He didn't say anything. Just shut your mouth and keep playing the game."
Sheffield took particular issue with Martinez, especially once he started yelling.
"This guy, I don't know how many years he has, but his act is tired," Sheffield said, "all this macho [act], throwing the equipment off. ... One thing I don't like is when somebody's talking and making a big scene and backing up. If you're going to talk to me, be a man."
Once they were yelling at each other, others rushed Martinez to keep him from getting any closer. Placido Polanco was the first, eventually knocking Martinez before Ordonez and Miguel Cabrera blocked the catcher.
Someone on the umpiring crew reported seeing Polanco throw a punch, which earned him an ejection along with Sheffield, Martinez and Carmona. Polanco denied it.
"He was trying to come back and fight," Polanco said, "and I'm like, 'Come on, bro.' I don't know who made that decision. That's a [terrible] decision. ... This is what I'm thinking: They had to throw two guys out from each team, and I'm up."
What suspensions result from the incident will be seen in the coming days, likely sooner. The last time Sheffield was suspended came here last year, when umpire Greg Gibson accused Sheffield of throwing a bat in his direction after running out a ground ball to first, having questioned Gibson's strike zone. Sheffield vehemently denied it and appealed his suspension down from three games to two.
This time, all Sheffield was defending was the point he was trying to make.
"This is the third time [I've been hit]," Sheffield said. "Like I said, three strikes, you're out."
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Post by 9 on Sept 20, 2008 16:28:59 GMT -5
I'm shocked. An even-tempered pillar of congeniality like Sheffield in the middle of a brawl?
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jul 21, 2009 18:57:25 GMT -5
A little fun from last night. Bad blood spills over in Bucs-Crew tilt Benches clear after Karstens plunked by reliever Smith PITTSBURGH -- Brewers pitcher Chris Smith claimed it to be unintentional, but the Pirates saw his plunking of Jeff Karstens with an eighth-inning pitch in Monday's 8-5 Pirates win as anything but. And it led to both benches and bullpens spilling onto the field.
The incident occurred in when Karstens, with three innings of scoreless relief under his belt, came to the plate to lead off the inning. A high-and-inside, first-pitch fastball from Smith nailed Karstens near the left elbow.
The incident might have gone without consequence if not for what had happened in a game between these two teams back on April 27. It was after that game that the Brewers claimed Karstens purposefully hit Ryan Braun in the outfielder's first at-bat after homering off the right-hander.
Afterward, Braun made it quite clear in speaking about the incident that he saw definite intent behind Karstens' pitch that hit him.
"It's rare for Major League pitchers to miss that much with a fastball," Braun said after that game.
Karstens was fined an undisclosed amount, though not suspended, shortly after, and Milwaukee pitchers proceeded to hit three Pirates hitters in the following day's game. And though Karstens had come up to bat in the inning immediately after hitting Braun, he was not hit then.
That helps to explain why Karstens immediately took exception to Smith's pitch on Monday and shared a few choice words with the reliever as he slowly headed toward first. He obviously felt that he had been hit in retaliation for what had transpired three months earlier.
"I was kind of expecting it," Karstens said. "They felt like they had to do what they had to do, I guess. They had a chance to hit me in Milwaukee and didn't take it. They hit a few of our guys in the time and got [Ryan Doumit] in the first inning."
While Karstens stared at Smith, Brewers catcher Jason Kendall immediately followed him up the line and put his arms around him as if to restrain him. That prompted home-plate umpire Wally Bell to attempt to separate the two and both dugouts and bullpens immediately dumped onto the field.
"From what a lot of guys have said and I've seen on TV, you either go or you don't go, I guess," Smith said. "It just makes a big mess if you stand and yell. You either go or you don't go, is what they say."
" just told him to go to first base or go to the pitcher," Kendall later said. "That's baseball."
Brewers first baseman Prince Fielder had to pick up Kendall to pull him away from the melee, while pitching coach Joe Kerrigan restrained Karstens. According to Kendall, Kerrigan further infuriated the former Pirates catcher by exchanging words with him during the tussle.
"It was fine until Dave Kerwin," Kendall said, referring to Kerrigan. Kendall continued to call Kerrigan by that incorrect name -- seemingly on purpose -- even after being promptly corrected.
"I can take a lot, but I'm not going to get yelled at," he continued. "Dave Kerwin started yelling at me...."
When asked what he thought made Kerrigan so mad, Kendall responded: "I don't know. Dave Kerwin? I have no idea."
No one ended up being ejected from the game after the brief dust-up was broken up, though it was quite clear afterward the Pirates manager John Russell was still livid over what he saw as intentional payback so far after the initial incident.
"They had a chance to get [Karstens] in a game he pitched," said Russell, whose team snapped a 17-game losing streak against the Brewers with Monday's win. "For them to wait two months.... The biggest thing was that Jeff went out and hit the next inning and they're going to wait and do it now? I don't understand that. They made such a big deal about it, but they had their opportunity and they're going to wait until they're getting beat and do it tonight? I really didn't understand what the reasoning is behind that."
Russell had planned to have Karstens return to pitch in the ninth, but when Karstens began stiffening up a bit in the area where he was hit, the decision was made not to send him out for a fourth inning of work.
"We just didn't feel like it was time for him to go back out there," Russell said.
Before he began the final inning, Pirates reliever Jesse Chavez was warned by Bell that he would be tossed if he were to retaliate. The clubs have two more games remaining in this series and will face each other another six times later in the season.
In the six games played so far, a total of nine hitters have been hit by pitches.
"I'm sure there's going to be warnings before the game tomorrow," Brewers manager Ken Macha said. "They're going to look back at everything that has happened so far this season. I'm sure there will be warnings before the game."
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Post by $heriff Tom on Aug 5, 2009 6:49:54 GMT -5
Furious Prince Fielder is stopped at Dodgers’ door
LOS ANGELES (AP)—Not even Prince Fielder really knows what he might have done if a phalanx of security guards and teammates hadn’t prevented the furious Milwaukee slugger from entering the Los Angeles clubhouse after a ninth-inning beaning.
And nobody is sure how the Brewers and the Dodgers will react in Wednesday’s season finale after Los Angeles’ impressive 17-4 victory Tuesday night degenerated into retaliation, recrimination and a regrettable charge through the Dodger Stadium tunnels by the Brewers’ All-Star first baseman.
The trouble started when Manny Ramirez was hit by a pitch in the seventh while Los Angeles had a nine-run lead, but it didn’t boil over until Guillermo Mota was ejected for drilling Fielder with two outs in the ninth. Dodgers catcher Russell Martin acknowledged it was a response to Chris Smith hitting Ramirez with what appeared to be a much less purposeful pitch. “It’s just part of the game,” Martin said. “Our premier hitter gets hit, and he gets protection. I understand (Fielder) is frustrated, but you don’t take care of that after the game.”
Mota and Fielder were teammates in Milwaukee last year, but the veteran reliever and the burly power hitter are no longer on friendly terms. Fielder took off for the Dodgers’ side of the stadium after the final out, shouting obscenities all the way to the clubhouse door.
Several teammates trailed behind him in a surreal scene, but Bill Hall and Casey McGehee got a firm grip on Fielder while a wall of security blocked his way.
Most of the Dodgers didn’t know about Fielder’s march, since the door he reached is at least 30 feet down a hallway from the clubhouse. They’ll all hear about it before Jason Schmidt takes the mound Wednesday.
“We don’t want the same situation as last year in the playoffs, when Philly threw at Manny and we didn’t retaliate,” Martin said, referring to last fall’s NL championship series against the Phillies. “We don’t want to be known as a team that doesn’t have each other’s backs.”
The late shenanigans marred Los Angeles’ highest-scoring home performance in 30 years. Brewers manager Ken Macha felt Mota’s two-out pitch could have added injury to the insult of a 13-run loss.
“(Fielder) has been hit a lot, but he digs right in there and doesn’t budge,” Macha said. “He just doesn’t like when somebody does it on purpose. I don’t blame him. Everybody’s trying to make a living, and this type of mentality puts everybody in jeopardy—myself, the other team, the players on the other team. So, to me, giving a guy a $500 fine and a two-day suspension is not enough. This type of stuff should be cleaned up.”
Moments after his trek through the tunnel, Fielder had calmed down enough to reply sarcastically to questions. Macha said he planned to have Fielder in the lineup Wednesday.
“He came inside. It just got away from him,” Fielder said. “It happens. That’s baseball. He tried to come inside.”
When asked about his postgame march to the other side, he deadpanned: “I don’t remember that.”
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Post by Lindsey on Aug 11, 2009 9:05:28 GMT -5
Can't fine him if it's post game!
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Post by $heriff Tom on Aug 11, 2009 22:01:28 GMT -5
I turned on the game later on, and saw clips of this...friggin' Porcello was backing up, hands out, apologizing as Youk came out after him. Sad to watch.
Youkilis, Porcello ejected after fracas Benches clear after Sox slugger is hit by Tigers righty's pitch
BOSTON -- Tempers flared in the bottom of the second inning at Fenway Park on Tuesday night when Red Sox third baseman Kevin Youkilis was hit in the back by an 89-mph pitch by Tigers right-hander Rick Porcello.
Youkilis immediately charged the mound and threw his helmet toward Porcello. Youkilis and Porcello then dragged each other to the ground. From there, both benches and bullpens emptied.
Youkilis and Porcello were both ejected and are all but certain to be disciplined by Major League Baseball.
This game developed tension early, when Tigers star Miguel Cabrera was hit on the left hand by a pitch in the first inning by Red Sox right-hander Junichi Tazawa.
Later in that inning, Carlos Guillen took an aggressive takeout slide into Red Sox second baseman Dustin Pedroia in his successful attempt to break up a double play. Manager Terry Francona immediately came out and argued with second-base umpire Scott Barry, but to no avail.
In the bottom of the first, Red Sox first baseman Victor Martinez gestured at Porcello after taking a pitch high and tight that nearly hit him.
Cabrera had to leave the game with two outs in the top of the second when his left hand throbbed after hitting a foul ball.
Porcello drilled Youkilis with his first pitch in the bottom of the second inning.
Mike Lowell pinch-ran for Youkilis at first base, while the Tigers called on Chris Lambert to pitch in place of Porcello.
The Red Sox greeted Lambert loudly. David Ortiz hit a single and Jason Bay followed with a game-tying, three-run homer that soared over the Green Monster.
Francona was ejected later in the bottom of the second by Barry for arguing when J.D. Drew was called out trying to steal second.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 22, 2010 9:35:11 GMT -5
Benches clear after D-backs hit Carpenter Altercation tense, but order restored between clubs
By Matthew Leach / MLB.com
PHOENIX -- Edwin Jackson and the D-backs wanted to make it very clear that they weren't trying to hit Chris Carpenter on Wednesday night. Carpenter and the Cardinals, meanwhile, wanted to make it equally clear that the intent was irrelevant.
Both benches and bullpens cleared after Carpenter took great umbrage at being hit by a Jackson pitch in the second inning of Wednesday night's Cardinals-D-backs game. The verbal confrontation never turned into a physical one, and Carpenter said afterward that he regretted some of his actions. But he stood by his indignation at the pitch that hit him in the first place.
"I watched the replay," Carpenter said. "The catcher is setting his glove up high. They're trying to throw the ball up there, and there's no need for it. I hit .100. It's not like I can hit. Throw the ball down and away, throw a slider, whatever it is. It's different if you're Carlos Zambrano, Adam Wainwright, Dan Haren, guys that can hit. But throwing 95 mph, chucking balls up high, and never mind that you can't control it? Come on. He's missing by three feet. It's not right."
With a 1-2 count and one out in the top of the second, Jackson hit Carpenter on the left forearm, the second hit batsman by Jackson in the game. He also hit Ryan Ludwick in the first inning.
"It's baseball," Jackson said. "Things happen. The pitch just got away. It's not like I was trying to hit him on purpose. It is what it is. I know no pitcher likes to get hit but I didn't know the reaction was going to be like that. Like I said, I didn't hit him on purpose."
Upon being hit, Carpenter immediately turned to the Arizona dugout and began yelling. Players from both teams came to the fronts of their respective dugouts, and Carpenter took his time going to first base, but order was more or less maintained at that point.
However, when Skip Schumaker hit a double-play ball to shortstop Stephen Drew, Carpenter came in at second baseman Kelly Johnson standing up, and went straight to the bag. Arizona took issue with that, more jawing ensued, and the benches cleared as well as the bullpens. Carpenter blamed himself for the second dustup
"That was my fault," he said. "It was an unprofessional move. I shouldn't have done it. I told [Arizona first-base coach] Matt Williams at first to tell Kelly that it was unprofessional and I shouldn't have done that. I was in a position where I didn't control my emotions enough to not do something stupid."
The D-backs did not seem to have any major issue with Carpenter's conduct.
"Just turned it, and it's just competitiveness boiling over," Johnson said. "He obviously wasn't happy about getting hit and he was still fired up, he wasn't settled down yet. Once it's done it was done and there wasn't going to be anything lingering."
Carpenter sported a nasty welt not far above his left wrist from the plunking. He admitted that the incident affected his pitching for the next couple of innings. He was touched for two runs in the third and two hits in the fourth, though he escaped the latter inning without a run.
"I was struggling to control my emotions for a few innings, yeah," he said.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jun 5, 2010 8:32:54 GMT -5
Link with funny video! Check out the music playing in the background during the fight. Minor Leaguer Incites Bench-Clearing Brawl In Middle Of Home Run Trotdeadspin.com/5555475/The website that tracks the slowest HR trots may have found a new record that might never be broken. It is definitely much harder to finish your stroll around the bases when you're being attacked by the other team.
Wezen-ball.com dug up this raw footage of a Memorial Day game between the Bakersfield Blaze and the Visalia Rawhide, which was won on a walk-off tater from Blaze/Ranger prospect Engel Beltre. Beltre enjoyed himself a little too much on the march down to first base and by the time he reached third, some of the Rawhide players were waiting to politely voice their objections. A couple of Beltre's teammates rebutted with their fists and cooler heads did not prevail. As you can see, Beltre doesn't even touch the plate until after the dust up is over—and not without flipping the ol' flying bird as final flourish. A grand day for sportsmanship.
One minute and seven seconds to round four bases and (I'm assuming) a couple of suspensions along way. Not too shabby.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jun 5, 2010 10:26:30 GMT -5
The fight was disappointing. The music was not. I wish the recent bench clearer from one of my teams was videoed.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jun 21, 2010 8:08:28 GMT -5
Valverde, Montero trade heated words through the mediahardballtalk.nbcsports.com/valverde-montero-trade-heated-words-through-the-media.php?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitterDiamondbacks catcher Miguel Montero took a few shots at Tigers reliever and former teammate Jose Valverde on Friday night for the closer's wild antics on the mound. It's not the first time that an opponent has questioned Valverde's animated jumps and fist pumps, and we usually don't get a response from the intimidating ninth-inning man. But Montero must have really hit a nerve.
Here's what Valverde offered to the Arizona Republic's Nick Piecoro on Sunday morning:
"Tell Montero he's a freaking rookie and I can do whatever I want to. Tell him that. Put it in the papers. If he wants to do something, tell him to come to my locker and let me know. ... I never liked Montero. He's a (bleeping) piece of (bleep). ... Tell Montero he has two years (in the majors) and I have eight."
At least he got the service time correct on the second try. Montero fired back:
"He's dumb. What do you want me to say? He's smart? No. He's just dumb."
The Diamondbacks and Tigers will finish up a three-game interleague series on Monday then won't meet again for the rest of the season . So if this thing is going to come to fisticuffs, it will have to happen today. Not that we're rooting for a fight, or anything.
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