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Post by cactusjames on Mar 2, 2009 18:17:04 GMT -5
I think it's all a way to get people to be one certain way and make money, meaning all the carbon footprint shit. It can't be too bad if the Earth only had a little time left 30 years ago and they were fearing the same problems these going green freaks are telling us to worry about.
And I hate that argument, well our great great whoever the fuck will inherit our mess. Good for them, fuck em. I'll be dead and unaware there even is an earth or that I had a family, it's their problem not mine. I'm going to alter my way of life for people I won't know 300 years from now? Screw that. Fuck the ice caps.
And, let's be realistic, there is no concrete proof what we do is the reason the ice caps are melting, all we know is that they are. If it happens tomorrow, I'll worry but I'm not going to worry about life when I'm not around.
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Post by Chris on Mar 2, 2009 18:32:34 GMT -5
There is no concrete proof? What books have you been reading James?
The pollution we pump into the air causes a scientifically proven chemical reaction which destroys ozone. (converts ozone (O3) to oxygen (O2) and chlorine and bromine gas)
This isn't science fiction James. Al Gore and George Orwell didn't make up "The Greenhouse Effect" to sell books. This is stuff any scientist can demonstrate for you in a beaker and some test tubes. The reason polar ice caps are melting is due to a depletion of ozone. Man's most common air pollutants decompose ozone....period....fact.
And, thankfully OUR forefather's didn't hold the same disdain for future generations that you seem to hold...otherwise WE'D be the ones fucked now, as opposed to our great great great great grandchildren.
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 2, 2009 19:55:53 GMT -5
But if we were suppose to be frozen over by now and we're not, why are people 30 years ago slightly off, but Al fucking Gore is fucking Makaveli(sp)? The earth was supposed to be doomed now by close to 25 years but yet technology advances and we keep using more and more of the Earth. I don't go for the whole higher power shit, and God put us here for a reason nonsense, but the fact is we are here on this Earth for whatever reason. We're on Earth and my question is why not use it? what do we have to give up? No more planes? You want to go back to the mail being sent by horse and carriage because the oil we use to make life less of a hassle is slowly destroying the Ozone layer?? I don't see how erratic weather means we're killing and damning future generations. I don't give a shit how much shit is in space to help us figure out the weather, the weather can change, and be screwy and not what you expected just because. It's the weather, it doesn't have to do exactly what the TV says it will.
Despite Katrina and other natural disasters, is it uncommon that a Hurricane is predicted to hit land somewhere, and the weatherman are sure, and the government and Fema start evacuating, then last second the hurricane changes and there's little to no damage? That's never happened? If we expect the weather to be one way and then it isn't, it's humans fault? Why does unpredictable weather, be it a snow storm, or hurricane or rain, mean the earth is dying? Why is it shocking when one summer isn't very summer-like, then when winter beats the shit out of us it means we need to go green and drive hybrids?
Fine, gas and smokestacks aren't good for the ozone. Why didn't the earth implode in the 20's and 30's when there were smokestacks pumping in every city? No, that's irrelevant, it's all the people who drive hummers and shit. It's the people who don't use solar power everything right? It's all because of us.
And again, Thomas Jefferson doesn't know what's going on right now. He doesn't have any thoughts on our way of life because he isn't aware of any plain of existence. In 300 years we will both be the in the same boat. Until I get to that place, I want big fast cars, and big warm houses. If people have the choice of having to decide to stay warm like the cavemen or pay their oil bill so the heat works, they go with the latter. Trust me, right now, I'm glad I have oil heating my house, I'll be dammed if I have to resort to making a bonfire in my room. More oil equals more gooder.
And to be realistic, it's more likely a nuclear holocaust will be the cause of the new ice age before Global Warming does, so I'm going to eat Bic Macs in the old fashioned non-biodegradable styrofoam(sp) containers. And when I'm done sucking down those grease ball burgers I'm gonna wipe my mouth on the American Flag and toss the container right out the side, and there ain't a god damn thing anyone can do about it.
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Post by Chris on Mar 2, 2009 20:04:00 GMT -5
"Why didn't the earth implode in the 20's and 30's when there were smokestacks pumping in every city?"
Because it takes more than 30 years for this shit to take effect. 30 years isn't even a blip on the radar screen in terms of global history. And you telling me that people predicted that global warming would destroy the planet in 30 years is the first I've EVER heard of it. Scientists are a little more pragmatic than George Orwell, and I doubt any scientist worth his salt would have suggested the earth would cease to exist as we know in such a short span of time as 30 years.
It sounds like what you're suggesting is that you're cool with living is a sewer, so you're going to contribute to that sewer by littering, spewing pollutants into the air and sea, and fuck the people who...you know...actually care about what their environment looks like. Hey, if that's your bag, have at it I guess...thankfully more people like things, like, you know...trees, clean water, fresh air, etc...
"Thomas Jefferson doesn't know what's going on right now." - Right, but lucky for us people like Thomas Jefferson and others CARED about what's going on now, and did what they had at their disposal at the time to ensure some semblance of a quality of life for those of us down the road. So, if you think our forefathers who gave a shit about a future long after they were gone, and other who are showing the same concern now for generations ahead are "weak" or lame, well, again, that's your deal I'm glad there are MUCH more people out there who don't think along your lines.
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 2, 2009 20:20:07 GMT -5
"And you telling me that people predicted that global warming would destroy the planet in 30 years is the first I've EVER heard of it."
Yes, it was a Times article from the 70's. Going on and on how the oil they use and the gas they use is bringing a new ice age. And unless I'm mistaken they thought it was going to happen rather soon. Penn and Teller did a whole show on it, they quoted the article and that's how I know that this has been something people have feared before Al Gore. And the show BS isn't a biased source of getting information. They get into both sides of whatever argument they're covering. So in that episode of going green, they bash people like me who are apathetic to everything, and bash the ultra nuts green freaks who carry rocks in their pocket(you'd have to see the episode to get that).
But if I'm not mistaken, one of the reasons in the times article was because of the steel mills and all the smoke stacks from the 20's and 30's. So they were worried about damage done over a 40-50 year period. Here we are, almost a century later and we're still worry about the effect of shit 100 fucking years ago. It's crazy talk.
And no I don't want to live in a sewer, the whole littering thing was from the Denis Leary song "Asshole"....fitting right? My thinking is that, whatever happens, happens. If the world blows up, it was meant to blow up. And as an apathetic person, I feel that no matter what people will always do what they want, for every 20 eco-friendly people, there is another 20,000 people who don't give a fuck.
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Post by Chris on Mar 2, 2009 20:26:37 GMT -5
Errrr...Penn and Teller are hardly a viable news source.
I would LOVE to see this article. I don't believe it exists. Even if it did exist, I don't think it comes anywhere close to discounting the severity of pollution, namely air and water....but I would still be shocked to see that such an article, emphatically proclaiming an ICE AGE within 30 years, exists at all.
"My thinking is that, whatever happens, happens." Wow, that's pretty convenient. That pretty much alleviates us from taking ANY responsibility for the care of this planet. Phew...I'm so relieved....I can get rid of my "RECYCLABLES" trash can now and throw all my plastic water bottles in the gutter.
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 2, 2009 20:51:55 GMT -5
Yeah and I should start cooking hot dogs and hamburgers with a Bunsen Burner because BBQ grills are making ice caps melt.
I'm not suggesting what we do is the healthiest for the planet, I just refuse to think altering our way of life is going to stop whatever. Or even if it would have prevented it. It's one of those things where everything we do is bad for us, so don't do it then. Talking on the cell phone gives you brain cancer, guitar hero is bad for your intestines, there's always something wrong with what we do as humans. And people have been bitching about it for close to 100 years and we're all still here.
And I never said Penn and Teller was a news source, but because they dissect both sides of an argument, be it space, religion, the death penalty, nostalgia, or going green, it is a way to learn things from both sides and make your own decision based on the info given, something you are an advocate of. Youtube the episode, I'm sure it's on there. The very start of the show cites the article, but leaves out it's from the 70's, so as a first time viewer you assume they are referring to an article published recently. that's how they hook you, then they let you know it was written in 1973 and everyone has a chuckle.
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 2, 2009 21:04:51 GMT -5
Not sure if this is the same article, but I pulled it off the Times Archives. It's not talking about a new Ice Age, though there are plenty articles on that, this is just plain old Global Warming, or as they were calling it back then, Global Cooling, not sure what the difference is. The following has been stolen without permission:
Scientists have found other indications of global cooling. For one thing there has been a noticeable expansion of the great belt of dry, high-altitude polar winds —the so-called circumpolar vortex—that sweep from west to east around the top and bottom of the world. Indeed it is the widening of this cap of cold air that is the immediate cause of Africa's drought. By blocking moisture-bearing equatorial winds and preventing them from bringing rainfall to the parched sub-Sahara region, as well as other drought-ridden areas stretching all the way from Central America to the Middle East and India, the polar winds have in effect caused the Sahara and other deserts to reach farther to the south. Paradoxically, the same vortex has created quite different weather quirks in the U.S. and other temperate zones. As the winds swirl around the globe, their southerly portions undulate like the bottom of a skirt. Cold air is pulled down across the Western U.S. and warm air is swept up to the Northeast. The collision of air masses of widely differing temperatures and humidity can create violent storms—the Midwest's recent rash of disastrous tornadoes, for example.
That's from the June 24th 1974 issue, sounds pretty familiar, like maybe from a year and a half ago. How fucking long will those deserts take to dry up already, christ they're slow. People have been freaking for 35 years but the Earth is still spinning. So until caps start breaking and the Earth starts sinking into itself, I'm going to pass on broiling my meat.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 2, 2009 23:19:05 GMT -5
Looks like we have made a left turn into oblivion in this thread.
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 3, 2009 6:13:46 GMT -5
That's because according to Chris, this city is heading for a disaster of biblical proportions. What do I mean biblical? I mean Old Testament Mr. Sheriff, real wrath of God type stuff. Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes... the dead rising from the grave. Human Sacrifice, cats and dogs living together....mass hysteria!
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Post by Chris on Mar 3, 2009 12:27:21 GMT -5
Is this true James?
Yes, it's true, this man has no dick.
Global Cooling? James, we're talking about Global Warming. Ice Caps are melting because it's too cool.....it's too hot!
Again, this is not a matter of perception, this shit is happening, and it ain't gonna take place in 10 or 20 or 30 years from now....and the fact that the earth isn't going to be complete submerged under water TOMORROW is not a valid reason to discount the existence of Global Warming.
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Post by 9 on Mar 3, 2009 12:39:03 GMT -5
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 3, 2009 13:05:42 GMT -5
I know it's Global Warming now, I'm just telling you what the hippies called it then, even though it isn't that much different. You call is warming, they called it cooling, but you and the tree hugging hippies are still talking about the same shit.
When you get taken away to a padded room because of your eco guilt, I'm going to send you a nice fruit basket.........I'm gonna miss you.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 13, 2009 11:41:02 GMT -5
Well, back on vacation...first of five more weeks I am taking in 2009. While I will be around most of the week our coimputer is once again on the fritz so I may scant. Keep the party going and ill catch yaz when I can.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Apr 13, 2009 12:28:52 GMT -5
how do you get 5 weeks off? I am calling the governor.
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Post by Lindsey on Apr 13, 2009 13:13:49 GMT -5
That's balls. I want 5 weeks of vacation! I took some time off last week the balti trip and I'm going to make a midwest baseball run through Ohio/Chicago/Milwaukee in May. That'll blow through my tax refund and my vacation time in one swoop.
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Post by elliejay21 on Apr 13, 2009 15:46:14 GMT -5
I'm getting 4 weeks to start at my new job... I can't use any for the first 6 months & we can carry over up to one year's worth, so I will likely have 6 or 7 weeks to take next year...
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 14, 2009 6:17:49 GMT -5
No wonder the economy is in the shitter. People don't work!
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Post by Lindsey on Apr 14, 2009 8:56:12 GMT -5
I hope i get laid off. It's like a vacation every day!
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Post by baldvinny on Apr 14, 2009 8:59:37 GMT -5
getting laid off (in 2002) was the best thing that ever happened to me
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Post by heartybooooo on Apr 14, 2009 8:59:45 GMT -5
Spoken like a young, single person with no mortgage.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 18, 2009 21:25:48 GMT -5
Well, thats the end of that. Wrapping up, tomorrow will be the last of the days with no clock blaring to wake me up again. Sigh.
Computer was down all week, there was much calamity, but we're back in business.
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Post by elliejay21 on May 4, 2009 18:25:52 GMT -5
I am more or less on vacation this week... I don't have to go to work & I'm getting paid... I start my new job on Monday. Mostly, my plan is to relax, catch up on my sleep and internet use, clean the house a bit... I wish I had a moving plan, because if we'd found a place, I could use this time to pack, but we might end up renewing our lease for another year. It kinda sucks that I'm off before the pay increase kicks in and before I get my extra paycheck... I'd love to do a spa day or something, but that stuff is expensive.
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Post by $heriff Tom on May 13, 2009 9:34:20 GMT -5
You guys are going to love this.
First, know i have 4 more weeks of vacation already locked up for this year, after having already taken 2. Even with, I still have lots "in my bank."
Well, today we found out the company is changing PTO policy, and you can not carry over more than 80 hours per year. When I first heard this, I was mad, but its not changing the fact I accrue 5 weeks a year or anything. And, upon reflection and a little bit of math, I now realize (and have confirmed) that I need to take ANOTHER THREE WEEKS to get to where they want me to be at year-end.
So now, as I type this on May 13th, I realize I now have SEVEN WEEKS of vacation between now and New Years. Whoo hoo! Wahooey! Zing!
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Post by Jason Giambi on May 13, 2009 10:03:55 GMT -5
go piss yourself.
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Post by Chris on May 13, 2009 12:13:29 GMT -5
The wife and I have gone through quite a bit of trauma over the past month, and need a getaway.
Our late May, early June extended trip to NY is canceled. Instead will hit up the new stadium sometime in September over a three-day weekend. In lieu of our initial proposed NY trip, we are going to Maui for a week. I've never been. I plan to do a LOT of sitting on the beach, smoking cigars, and wishing my sparkling water was a Corona with lime.
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Post by thecaptain15 on May 13, 2009 12:33:57 GMT -5
go piss yourself.
Pete please don't challenge Tom... ;D
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Post by 9 on May 13, 2009 14:35:54 GMT -5
As much as I love the Yankees, the choice between Maui and the new Yankee Stadium is pretty much a no-brainer. And tickets should be dirt cheap in September, since we'll be eliminated by mid-August at this rate.
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Post by Chris on May 13, 2009 14:56:05 GMT -5
"the choice between Maui and the new Yankee Stadium is pretty much a no-brainer"
HA! That's my problem...to me, it's not! It's a sickness really.
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Post by 9 on May 13, 2009 16:16:05 GMT -5
I can see September being dismal here, unless this team pulls their collective heads out of their asses.
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