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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 13, 2008 12:52:05 GMT -5
Just wanted to bump this thread up as it should be seeing some action the next couple of weeks..........
So far we have...
Cena vs HHH vs Orton
Edge vs Undertaker
Big Show vs Mayweather
Batista vs Umaga
Flair vs Michaels
Money in the Bank (CM Punk, The Gold Standard, Carlito, Kennedy, MVP, Y2J)
24 Man Battle Royal to face ECW Champion
Finlay vs. JBL - Belfast Brawl
Eye Candy Bunny Lumberjack Match
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 13, 2008 13:01:41 GMT -5
One thing I'm liking about the Mayweather thing is that the crowd absolutely is NOT getting behind him. The Big Show is going into this as the face. I don't know if that's intentional or not.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 13, 2008 13:07:04 GMT -5
I don't think that is what Shane-O-Mac had planned....I still think something is going to happen involving this match up with Mayweather selling that elbow injury...
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 13, 2008 13:37:49 GMT -5
I can't think of a time a celebrity stepped into the ring that was so hated. Tyson was a heel, but he was a referee and turned face at the end. He wasn't fighting in the ring.
Big Show seems to be coming off as the face here.
I'm not sure 100 percent why. Maybe it's because people don't like the idea of a 150 pound guy beating a 450 pound guy.
It is completely unrealistic. It's like Billy Crystal playing MLB. It's just dumb.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 13, 2008 13:49:28 GMT -5
I also think it is the arrogance that Mayweather has and he is not a likeable sort....Also unlike other celebrity participants, boxing and wrestling are almost like "sisters" and for some reason when a boxer makes the cross over to try wrestling he is not well received..If I remember to my childhood when I saw Monsoon airplane spin Ali, Gorilla was cheered by the fans at ringside and Ali booed. That is how I remember it but my memory may be hazy since I was 9/10 or so at the time...
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 13, 2008 14:41:08 GMT -5
I don't know if a guy like Ali would get that kind of reaction today. I think Holyfeld got a pretty solid reaction when he boxed last year.
It depends on the boxer. Not sure how Ali was received at that point in his career.
But if McMahon wants to make the fans happy, it will be a total squash job. Mayweather would be booed all the way to the bank.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 13, 2008 14:52:48 GMT -5
If they actually fight I can't see Mayweather agreeing to get squashed....
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 13, 2008 14:59:16 GMT -5
The orignal plan was indeed to have Show as the heel, and Mayweather as the face. It took them a couple of tapings to see the fans were not buying that. But boxing fans are not surprised, cause Mayweather is considered a heel even in boxing, especially in his wars with De La Hoya.
They have done a 100% reversal, and given into the fans wishes, and Show is now the hero (thus his graciously bringing out the roster to back him) and Mayweather the pushed heel (see his video at home with all that money, his cowardly facials and antics in the ring)
Mayweather is made to be a heel. WWE sees it now, and while that was not the original plan, its the way they are happily going. Show and Mayweather are acting like they dont know the plans for the match, but they are working out Mayweather to "take bumps"
Oh, and obviously the 20 million dollar figure is total bunk, Mayweather MAY be making a fith of that. Keep in mind from figures insiders have, Undertaker has not made 20 million in salary in his entire WWE career combined. They are not paying a boxer that for one match.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 13, 2008 15:00:46 GMT -5
My guess is that they are giving him a few million and then maybe a % if it exceeeds X amount of buys as a bonus...
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 13, 2008 15:03:22 GMT -5
Most likely. Trump was paid 3 million for his appearance, there are insiders who are saying Mayweather is not even getting that, as Trump came in with more juice to the public. Mayweather means nothing outside the United States, and a full 60% of WWE PPV buys come from out of the US.
So Mayweather is not necessarily going to bump those buys.
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 13, 2008 15:26:13 GMT -5
I don't even think there was a feeling out process as to the booking of the feud. They really thought havinbg Floyd with Rey would get the cheers they wanted. Then they kepp pushing him as a face stupidly. They pretty much hit the reset button on monday cause it was the best segment since Mayweather broke his nose and finally righted the ship. He's a natural heel so I think WWE was dumb for trying to push him as a face. They never fucking learn either, they forced Rock down our throats and people hated him. They turned him heel and then he got red hot. Lashley is another example of someone the fans don't get behind but is still pushed as a face. They finally did the right thing monday with Show and Mayweather. And the worked elbow injury is fucking brilliant. That's going to get the news networks talking.
And wasn't it Mayweather who first said he was getting paid 20 mil? Total horseshit but it got them what they want, mass exposure. They reported it on yahoo news, I laughed when I saw the first wrestling news on yahoo since Benoit. Mayweather even said he wants the WWE title, more horseshit but it's smart, people will talk like he's making a carreer change even though he knows it's a one time deal. They just had to better establish their characters and now I think the angle will really work.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 13, 2008 15:43:04 GMT -5
I also don't believe for one second that Mayweather is getting $20 million. The real issue is how many people would buy WM that wouldn't normally, BECAUSE of Mayweather? Who does he bring in? The salary has to be based on that.
I just think it would be awesome for Mayweather to actually lose. It's just too unbelievable.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 25, 2008 9:15:21 GMT -5
Is it just me or am I the only one not feeling Wrestlemania this year? The build up and the hype just don't seem as good as usual. Don't get me wrong, I will be ordering it but outside of Flair and the Ladder Match (which will suffer a bit without Jeff) I am not that excited...
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 25, 2008 10:26:08 GMT -5
I dont know...I like it a bit. The Ladder match will be off the charts again. Flair/Michaels is going to be something to see. I am also looking forward to two brawls in Umaga/Batista and JBL/Finlay. Even the 24 man battle royal and the winner going up against Chavo has me agog.
Here's an event for the bored...
WWE will be holding a special WrestleMania XXIV press conference at The Hard Rock Cafe in New York City on Wednesday, March 26 at 12 Noon, and all WWE Fans are invited to attend. Join WWE Chairman Vince McMahon, Shane McMahon, WBC Welterweight Champion Floyd Mayweather, Big Show, Triple H, WWE Champion Randy Orton, World Heavyweight Champion Edge, Maria and Candice Michelle.
What: Press Conference with WWE Chairman Vince McMahon, Shane McMahon, WBC Welterweight Champion Floyd Mayweather, Big Show, Triple H, WWE Champion Randy Orton, World Heavyweight Champion Edge, Maria, and Candice Michelle (Subject to change).
When: Wednesday, March 26 at 12 Noon
Where: The Hard Rock Cafe 1501 Broadway New York, NY 10036
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 25, 2008 10:59:51 GMT -5
Former Home of WWF New York....
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 25, 2008 14:19:28 GMT -5
I think this years card is very strong, a step up from last year in my opinion.
I like the World Title match, nothing big(with the exception of the conchairto)has really happened, just a solid build up with the focus being the streak vs the title. I think this match has a lot of petential.
The triple threat has some intrigue. Do they go the obvious route with HHH getting the strap, throw the title back on Cena so quickly(even with a movie he's dong)or the logical route and give Orton the win. Either way, I think the match will be solid, Orton is at his best right now, and you get what you get from Cena and HHH, nothing special but nothing slouching either.
Thw Show/Mayweather thing is very big. It will be interesting to A) see what type of match they have and B)who wins with the way it's been booked and crowd response.
HBK and Flair, build up has been the best out of all the matches and the match will be just as good guaranteed.
I'm looking foward to JBL and Finlay, a good solid(and stiff)brawl between two of the toughest.
Batista and Umaga will be ok, maybe.
The bunny match, not so much.
And the battle royal should be good, hopefully Colin Delaney wins and Chavo can come out and beat him real quick. That'd be cool.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 25, 2008 14:46:18 GMT -5
I would LOVE to see Mayweather lose and even get squashed, but I can't see that happening. When outsiders are brought in, they pretty much always win, especially if they are outsider athletes. Mayweather is undefeated in boxing, so why would he agree to do this and lose? The match for me is ruined by this, because even in wrestling, I can't suspend my disbelief to the point where I can accept a Mayweather victory. It's reminds me a little of the time that Miss Jackie beat Disco Inferno on WCW. The outcome was just too ridiculous to accept.
Right now, I think the JBL/Finlay match is the most traditional WM match. You have two guys who have great heat, that has been built up for awhile, with a solid heel and a solid face. It's an outstanding grudge match and grudge matches are what make WM great.
The Edge/UT match has the two WM streaks on the line, but other than that, this match doesn't need WM to really matter. It could happen on any PPV, or even on Smackdown. There's really nothing about this match that would make me even consider purchasing a PPV.
I hate triple threat matches for the title. It's just a lame excuse so that someone you don't want to get the belt, can lose without losing. I would love to see Orton keep the belt, but no matter what, I don't want to see Cena regain it. And again, there's nothing all that special about this match either.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 25, 2008 15:14:30 GMT -5
First off HHH is winning the belt, why are you guys even discussing any other prospects? That is as set in stone as it gets.
Batista and Umaga are going to put on a great match, I feel. Batista is always crapped on, but he showed what he can do when he hooked it up with Taker. Umaga is a tremendous big-man wrestler.
Also, I am not a fan of HHH or Cena, and only a passing fan of Orton. So while I am not enamored with the match, it IS a huge match, and its as special as it gets. The fanbase they are selling this too are the ones who count here, not you on this message board.
And for anyone grumbling about Edge and Taker not being "special" - um, what else would you have had them do? World title vs undefeated streak....thats as big a slot as you can get for those two.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 25, 2008 15:20:22 GMT -5
World title matches happen every month, so that's not so special. And the streak is about the only thing about this match that is unique to WM. Ho hum. And no triple threat match is special. They are all cop outs.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 25, 2008 15:34:56 GMT -5
World title matches happen every month, so that's not so special. And the streak is about the only thing about this match that is unique to WM. Ho hum.
So what would you have them do???
The World Title is always defended at Mania. Get over it.
You're a dope when it comes to wrestling. Well, you are a dope when it comes to a lot of stuff.
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Post by grover on Mar 25, 2008 17:28:39 GMT -5
Stop convincing yourself that you would not like it.
Besides, if world title matches happen every month and are deemed no so special, why is the Finlay/JBL match special? Aren't most feuds grudge matches?
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 25, 2008 19:10:54 GMT -5
Most feuds today aren't built up as well as this Finlay/JBL match. This was really old school.
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Post by grover on Mar 26, 2008 2:06:53 GMT -5
If you say so. I don't see how that is any different than other feuds but ok then.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 26, 2008 5:47:58 GMT -5
The storyline involved is a little different. Plus, I don't believe these Finlay and Bradshaw have had a singles match yet. Part of a good grudge match is that the two main guys don't fight straight until the actual event. You could have a lot of teasers. The heel attacks the face and beats him down. The heel does something to the face's friend or crosses the line in some horrific way. Maybe the face gets his hands on the heel for a split second. At most, you'll get some sort of tag match where the face almost gets the heel, but the heel gets away. And then the PPV comes, and you finally have the big match.
With the other feuds, they've all fought in some combination before many times. It's really all old hat.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 26, 2008 7:37:06 GMT -5
What storyline?? You mean the one that was flubbed so badly they dont even have an out? The one where Hornswoggle went from McMahons son, to a pawn in a game that was explained in one in-ring promo to not be bought up again, and then where he dissapeared off of TV? The fued where the fans are STILL booing Finlay, the guy they are apparently supposed to cheer?
Look, I love this match for what is going to happen in the ring, but this is, BY FAR, the match looked upon the least by people ordering the show. You can hear the crickets chirp, which is why this should either open the card, or be match #2 or such. You just like this cause a midget was involved.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 26, 2008 7:44:42 GMT -5
I'm not saying this is the best feud of all time, but it is the best grudge match on the card. If you don't like it, blame the WWE for not doing better feuds.
And I like your sig pic. Much better than the chick with the booger.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 26, 2008 10:12:18 GMT -5
I truly believe the woman in it is the most beautiful woman in the world. Aside from my wife, of course.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 26, 2008 11:00:02 GMT -5
Watching the Mania press conference, live from Times Square, right now on WWE.COM.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 26, 2008 11:09:02 GMT -5
She's a looker.
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 26, 2008 11:37:33 GMT -5
I think the Flair/HBK match is the best grudge going on, even though it's not a grudge match in the same way. There's the respect there, so it's not a hatred thing, but Flair is pissed off, HBK needs to be the main event man again so he has a lot to prove, it's the best build up, and the final hard sell minday was fucking FANTASTIC. One of the best segments I've ever seen.
And I agree with Batista and Umgaga, Batista is a lot better in the ring and I've been a fan of Umaga for a while. I just feel there's big potential for it being a clusterfuck. The fans will be hot, so that should help, but there's a big chance I feel it could be very clunky in the ring.
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