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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 26, 2009 19:32:57 GMT -5
Jericho would not be a good opponent. An actor is beneath him. You need at best, a midcarder.
You're kidding, right? Please tell me you are kidding.
Anything Rourke will be doing will get a TON of mainstream publicity. You NEED a superstar in this role. I am sure there will be mainstream interviews, appearances, eyes that normally would not be on the WWE will be. You are going to have Rourke involved, and the spotlight shined on someone like Kizarney or Burchill?
Holy crap, you're dense sometimes. Beneath him??? Jericho probably could not find a better gig for Mania, this has money written all over it.
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Post by cactusjames on Jan 26, 2009 19:50:59 GMT -5
Wow, the special attraction match and it's beneath Jericho because an actor who trained as a wrestler for a role would be involved. Tom nailed it, with all the publicity and stuff who better than Jericho? He's always a good interview if he's on radio or just in print, it's always a fun spot when Jericho is in it. Jericho could very well hit a big home run here, can you imagine the interview Jericho just goes off on Hollywood and actors/Rourke in general? It's making the rounds that he called Jericho out, it could be huge when Jericho finally can talk about it and cuts a promo on him. I like this idea a lot, hopefully it all goes through and works out well. This could be the best Mania special attraction match in years.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 26, 2009 20:28:25 GMT -5
I'm not saying anything Rourke does wouldn't bring publicity, but Jericho is too good to be wasted in a celebrity feud. He should be at the top of the card, not wrestling a 52 year old actor.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 26, 2009 20:46:13 GMT -5
Balls, for Christs sake, Jericho vs Rourke will get more publicity than anything Orton or even Cena is doing at Mania. You think Entertainment Tonight will be discussing Cena vs Orton?? I am sure Jericho will be just fine with his placement on the card....and in the mainstream media!!!!
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Post by cactusjames on Jan 26, 2009 21:02:54 GMT -5
Balls do you understand the special attraction match is one of the biggest selling points of the entire show? First off, you have an actor in a match, you need someone who can take care of him in the ring. He can't wrestle Umaga. And non of the radio shows or tv shows or papers are going to be raving about any of the title matches on the card, the mainstream media is all over Rourke, even if he's dating Evan Rachel Wood or not. Throw Jericho into the mix and that's pretty fucking big. They'll be discussing who he's banging followed by informing everyone to watch him face Chris Jericho at 25th anniversary of Wrestlemania. A celebrity feud is perfect for Jericho, especially if it's going to Mickey Rourke who's a bit of a character himself. This is a really good pairing.This will as big if not bigger than any title match featuring any big, marquee name.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 27, 2009 7:34:17 GMT -5
Of course I understand that the special attraction match is one of the most important selling points of the show, but the selling point is the guest, not the wrestler. More often than not, the wrestler jobs out in some capacity. That's a big reason a top card guy doesn't normally do those matches.
The mainstream media would be all over Rourke even if he wrestled Carlito. I just think first, a top guy like Jericho shouldn't job to Rourke, and he would be better suited in some sort of feud that gets him near the top of the card, perhaps against one of Smackdown's top guys to shake it up.
I just don't want this kind of gimmick match to suck ass like the Mayweather match, which was the worst of these types of matches ever.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Jan 27, 2009 7:36:42 GMT -5
I'm not saying anything Rourke does wouldn't bring publicity, but Jericho is too good to be wasted in a celebrity feud. He should be at the top of the card, not wrestling a 52 year old actor.
Balls, just like your hero Hogan and Zeus...LOL
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Post by thecaptain15 on Jan 27, 2009 7:40:04 GMT -5
It also sounds like (and I am hoping) that Flair will be involved in some way since Rourke and Jericho both mentioned him n their "promos".
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 27, 2009 8:23:42 GMT -5
But Balls, AGAIN, it comes down to the WWE guy holding up his end. There will be media appearances. You may very well see the wrestler on Letterman, Entertainment Tonight, TMZ, Conan, you name it. If you are the WWE, you really want that guy to be CARLITO??? WWE is pushing their product to neophytes here. Come on, man, are you so dense?
You are also underselling the Mayweather / Show match, which while not a classic by any means did not embarrass either guy.
Seriously, Jericho is the right man for this, especially as we could have called befroe this started that he would not be in either of the title matches on the show. So he's free to handle this role.
I also agree with Cap in that Flair will probably, at the least, be at ringside. Piper maybe, as well, as he is getting named.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 27, 2009 9:02:52 GMT -5
I'm not suggesting Carlito. I mean that it should be someone that is not a main eventer. MVP might be an interesting person for such a role, given that he COULD handle the media.
The Big Show/Mayweather match was a complete disgrace. There is no way under any circumstances a guy Mayweather's size could last more than 1 minute with a guy Big Show's size. Once Big Show grabs him, it's over. Period.
I'm not saying Jericho COULDN'T do it. Of COURSE he can. But I just think that that's more of a waste.
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Post by cactusjames on Jan 27, 2009 11:45:54 GMT -5
Who is going to care about a guest if the match the guest is involved in won't be any good? You want Jericho back in the money in the bank match? That's an opening match, that's a waste of Jericho. Everyone including Jericho thinks you're nuts, who wouldn't want to be in special attraction match? Look what happened when Umaga fought Batista, no one cares because no one bought Trump was going bald. Umaga is a mid carder representing McMahon, against former world champ Batista. With mid carders it makes it more predictable. No you got a wrestling star vs a movie star. It's not a waste you need someone who can hold his own in there. It cool if you wouldn't make the same decision, it's also why you aren't a booker, but you're off in calling it a waste, you're just saying that to make your dumb argument right. By sticking a main eventer in the special attraction match makes people want to see it more, it's simple fucking math.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 27, 2009 13:07:29 GMT -5
Well, let's think about that. First, let's say we go with MVP as an opponent in the guest match. While his push obviously stopped, we all know how talented he is both in the ring and on the mic. So a match like this for him would actually help revitalize him a bit.
Done right, MVP can run with a gimmick match like that.
Usually the guest wins the guest match. I can't think of a time when it didn't happen. I would rather see Jericho WIN a money in the bank match than lose to Mickey Rourke.
I didn't like the Umaga/Batista match either, but you know how much I hated Umaga.
I thought the Bam Bam/LT match though was very well done.
If Jericho would WIN such a match, it might be more interesting.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 27, 2009 13:50:37 GMT -5
Balls, who gives a flip?
At the end of the day the WWE would like their company represented to the mainstream media and the potential millions of extra eyes that will find out about this match by someone like Chris Jericho, as opposed to MVP.
The point of this is PPV buys, and to sell the show. And Jericho / Rourke does a Hell of a better job to Joe Public than MVP / Rourke, cause Jericho can play to the mainstream.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 27, 2009 14:10:12 GMT -5
I don't think it matters. Joe Public will be buying the gimmick for Rourke, not the guy he's wrestling. Joe WWE is going to buy it for Jericho.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 27, 2009 14:15:58 GMT -5
Balls, cut the shit already.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Jan 27, 2009 14:16:15 GMT -5
I think Rourke fighting Melky would draw the most PPV buys.......LOL
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Post by cactusjames on Jan 27, 2009 16:43:23 GMT -5
Balls just shot himself in the foot anyway, it seems so unlikely someone who normally doesn't watch the weekly show is going to buy Wrestlemania on a whim. And certainly no one is going to buy the show just to see Rourke vs Jericho. If "Joe Public" sees Mania, it's because he went over to "Joe WWE"'s house. The wrestlers, the WWE in general is why anyone and everyone buys the show. Not for one actor appearing in one match.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 29, 2009 14:08:38 GMT -5
But James, isn't the whole point of bringing in someone from the mainstream, be it an actor, sports star, or something else, to increase the buy rate while getting mainstream coverage?
If so, then it wouldn't matter WHO he wrestles. Using this year as an example, would Mickey Rourke be able to attract Joe Public? I would think given the movie, and his history, the answer is yes. If not, why have him on the card? At least McMahon probably thinks that's the case.
Personally, I agree with you that for the most part, it's the wrestlers who are the reason Joe WWE buys the show. And I would guess that over 90 percent of the buyers are Joe WWEs. Joe WWE will buy this show with Rourke on the card or not.
Do I think Jericho would do great in this angle? Of course. He's one of those guys that could feud with a mop and sell it. But I really don't want him to job out, and I think he belongs in the constant title picture.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Jan 29, 2009 14:39:58 GMT -5
MICKEY ROURKE BOWS OUT OF WRESTLEMANIA MATCH
By: Bob Ryder
1/29/2009 8:29:09 AM
The Associated Press quotes Mickey Rourke's spokesperson as saying Rourke will not be wrestling at Wrestlemania. The announcement comes after a flurry of activity that seemed to be pointing to a match pitting Rourke against Chris Jericho. Rourke made comments that seemed to set up the match at an awards show over the weekend and Jericho responded on RAW. Jericho also called in during an Rourke appearance on Larry King Live and had a back and forth exchange with him.
Although a match had not been officially announced, it appeared the buildup was leading to such an announcement.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 29, 2009 15:14:32 GMT -5
What a coward!!!
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 29, 2009 16:41:11 GMT -5
Still not dead, dont buy the hype. If anything, they are trying to push this to after the Oscars, as they think this sort of tomfoolery will turn off the highbrows from voting for Rourke.
From what I am reading Rourke jumped the gun on this, it was not supposed to kick off so soon.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 29, 2009 19:58:15 GMT -5
I really need to see that movie.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 29, 2009 20:17:59 GMT -5
You wont like it....too many wrestling scenes. Wrestling is the part of wrestling you dont like.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 30, 2009 7:15:39 GMT -5
Yes, but it has Marissa Tomei's BOOBIES!!!!!
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Post by 4dogg on Jan 30, 2009 18:00:10 GMT -5
that might be the most risque post ever on heckle house.....
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