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Post by Chris on Aug 14, 2008 20:55:59 GMT -5
Baseball replay could be in place by end of August
ESPN.com news services
Updated: August 14, 2008, 11:41 AM ET
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WASHINGTON -- Major League Baseball is working out technical issues to start instant replay for boundary calls such as home runs, hoping to institute the system later this year.
"We've got lots of time in August," Bob DuPuy, the sport's chief operating officer, said Wednesday as a two-day owners' meeting began. "There's plenty of August still to go."
According to ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney, as of Thursday morning at the owners' meetings, instant replay was a done deal, with all of the issues with the union being settled, and replay will happen "soon," according to one executive.
Commissioner Bud Selig, once a staunch opponent, appears to be more comfortable with the use of replay.
"We don't need a lot of lead-up," DuPuy said. "What we need is stuff installed, and what we need is people to make sure it's going to work, and what we need is for the umpires to understand the protocol. What we need is to make sure that everyone who's participating understands it."
A rash of missed boundary calls -- fair or foul, over the fence or not -- prompted the Selig to alter his opposition. Replays would not be used to review close plays on the bases or balls and strikes.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Aug 14, 2008 21:06:22 GMT -5
I have been a longtime foe of instant replay use......HOWEVER - boundary calls I can live with. I just dont want to cut the balls off the umpires. Hell, on a lot of boundary calls umpires would be the first ones who wish there was a replay to run to.
Im fine with this.
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Post by Chris on Aug 14, 2008 21:15:53 GMT -5
We saw how Questech has absolutely and totally squeezed pitchers. Questech sucks fucking BALLS. I don't want to see this escalated with Instant Replay.
I do not want Instant Replay used to frequently review Balls and Strikes on a game by game basis, and I doubt it would ever come to that. But I would not mind seeing Instant Replay used in some sort of reasonable compromise to periodically, randomly, anonymously, review the performance of umpires balls and strikes calls. I see some atrocious calls out there behind the plate and at times it can get pretty sickening.
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Post by massyanksfan on Aug 15, 2008 8:28:54 GMT -5
I agree with Cho on that. Use it to review an umpires zone. Not in game situations. I'm happy with the boundry calls as well, but do not let Managers have the options to challange a call like the NFL.
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Post by 9 on Aug 15, 2008 8:40:30 GMT -5
I think they'll leave balls and strikes alone. At least I hope so.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Aug 15, 2008 9:03:33 GMT -5
There is absolutely NO talk of adding balls and strikes to this. Lets not make mountains out of the proverbial molehill. The boundary stuff makes sense. No one is trying to play balls and strikes here, and even if someone tried to push it through it would never get enough vote support. So dont worry about it.
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Post by Chris on Aug 15, 2008 11:13:47 GMT -5
RE: Balls and Strikes
I'm not talking about a pitch-by-pitch or game-by-game situation.
I'm talking about periodic performance reviews for umps.
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Post by sancho231 on Aug 26, 2008 15:42:47 GMT -5
Fuck this shit. Are Umpires doing that bad of a job?do we really need umpires stopping the game for this shit?? i don't fuckin like it
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Post by ajfreakz on Aug 26, 2008 16:01:20 GMT -5
they stop the game now when they have to meet together near the mound to figure out what to call the play as then argue with one mgr or sometimes both and or a player ..so i think this may cut time rather than waste time.. plus this is getting the call right in which im sure we all want to see ..and its only on fair or foul and homerun calls which are few and far between
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Post by MSBNYY on Aug 27, 2008 8:39:35 GMT -5
I like it. I would rather the calls be right. I would even expand it to look at safe v. out.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Aug 27, 2008 8:47:28 GMT -5
i would not do safe vs out. WHy have umpires at all?
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Post by $heriff Tom on Aug 27, 2008 10:10:22 GMT -5
Well, contrary to Balls' wishes, there is NO talk of safe / out, or even TALKING about talking about safe / out. You want to go back to the turn of the century, when one ump handled ALL the action on the field? Hey, you win some calls, you lose some calls, but the umpires are pretty damn good. Leave them alone.
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Post by grover on Aug 27, 2008 11:31:53 GMT -5
I don't like the instant replay thing at all. It's going to be a mess.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Aug 27, 2008 11:37:46 GMT -5
How so? It will probably be needed a handful of times a year. In fact, most pundits could only think of 2 times this year it would have potentially been pulled out during a Yankee game. You guys act like they are overhauling the entire game.
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Post by MSBNYY on Aug 27, 2008 12:41:59 GMT -5
Umpires do balls/strikes, but you have umpires for the same reason you have referees in football, where the instant replay helps. Umpires are overall very good, but when they fuck up, what's wrong with getting it right?
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Post by $heriff Tom on Aug 27, 2008 12:43:24 GMT -5
If you are going to review any call you wish reviewed, why have people making calls instead of machines? This is a debate that is worthless anyway, cause it will never even be considered, yet alone implemented.
You're just pissy cause you think the Yankees got squeezed at the plate yesterday. Get over it.
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Post by grover on Aug 27, 2008 13:07:35 GMT -5
I'm just worried it's going to get messy. I'm sure it will be at first, until they work out the kinks.
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Post by Chris on Aug 27, 2008 13:13:46 GMT -5
The reasons for using Instant Replay are so limited right, now I doubt it will come into play much.
It's not like there's a close foul-ball vs homerun decision to be made every game.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Aug 27, 2008 14:01:08 GMT -5
What kinks are there to be worked out? Someone makes an appeal, the umpires walk to the dugout where they get on the phone to NY, where the play is reviewed using the same replays we say. Which are usually 100% conclusive. The decision is rendered, and thats that. It beats 4 umpires who did not see a fucking thing standing around trying to decide what to do.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Aug 27, 2008 17:06:11 GMT -5
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Post by Chris on Sept 27, 2008 0:26:46 GMT -5
OK, so I'm watching the Dodger / Giants game tonight.
I'm posting this before any of the news articles come out on it...I'll follow up with any articles I find.
The Dodgers were leading 2-0, the Giants had a man on, 1 out, Benji Molina up to bat. Molina hits a shot that appeared, both in real time and super slo-mo, to bounce high off the brick outfield wall in Pac Bell's right field. Left fielder holds Molina at first, Giants have men on 1st and 3rd, 1 out. Boce puts in a Emmanuel Burriss as a pinch runner for the slow running Molina....but also proceeds to argue that Molina's hit should be a homer.
The umps head off the instant replay room to verify their call. In the mean time, Fox and Scully are replaying the hit.....clearly a base hit, this ball was not hit out of the park...and Scully is talking like the umpires will return simply to hold the initial call.
BUT, the umps come out and call this a Home Run. Scully is astounded, clearly a bad call....but it is the call...Home Run for Molina.
But wait a minute. The umps continue to astound, despite the vehement arguments from Boce.
The net result: Umps reverse Molina's single and call it a homerun. However, they uphold the pinch runner substitution even though Molina was technically never a baserunner on first since he hit a homerun... so Boce wastes Burriss anyway, and at least according to Scully, Molina does not get credit for the RBIs. Not sure if anyone is getting credit for the RBIs, and I'm not sure if this will show up on Molina's HR total. Maybe I'm misinterpreting...here is what Scully said, verbatim: "you have one of the rarest of the rare...you have a man hitting a homerun and not being allowed to have scored the run."
Very weird.
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Post by Chris on Sept 27, 2008 1:00:37 GMT -5
OK, so Scully just clarified his earlier comments:
Molina gets credit for the Home Run and the 2 RBIs.
However, Burriss gets the credit for the run, and actually did trot around the bases for Molina's home run.
Very odd...considering that the reversal of the call, should have also reversed Boce's pinch runner substitution, since technically there never was a runner on first as a result of Molina's hit.
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Post by 9 on Sept 27, 2008 12:08:29 GMT -5
That is truly bizarre.
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Post by Chris on Sept 28, 2008 1:37:30 GMT -5
More on the Dodgers/Giants Instant Replay controversy:
In the sixth, Molina lined the first pitch from Scott Proctor to the roof in right and the ball ricocheted onto the grass below. Molina stayed at first and Emmanuel Burriss rushed out to pinch run before anybody could stop him, while Bochy hustled out to argue. After a brief discussion, the umpiring crew headed to the replay booth in the hidden umpire room behind home plate.
After about two minutes, they returned and crew chief Tim Welke signaled the home run—the second time since baseball began using instant replay that an on-field call was overturned. Dodgers manager Joe Torre came out for an explanation.
“I was curious to see how long it would take,” Torre said. “I didn’t have any problem with it. The thing that made it interesting was the fact this wrinkle (Burriss) was added and made it longer. It was lighthearted. There was no arguing.”
After a total delay of about 15 minutes, the crew ruled Burriss had to stay in the game and he was credited for the run scored, prompting San Francisco to play the game under protest.
“We conferred and decided to use the replay. We took a look and the ball clearly hit the green part of the wall, which is part of the ground rules that a ball hitting any part of the green thing it’s a home run,” Welke said. “Bochy wanted to reinsert Molina into the game but he doesn’t get another bite at that. We know the rules. Once a pinch-runner touches a base he’s in the game whether he’s put in or not. Bochy wanted to protest the game. You can’t go back and revisit history.
“We informed the official scorer that the game was being protested. In retrospect, he should have come out and discussed it before the pinch-runner. There is a rule that covers pinch-runners and that’s the one we went by. … The system worked and we got it right.”
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