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Post by Bad Mouth Larry on Apr 1, 2009 8:08:57 GMT -5
when does the waiver wire open up?
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 1, 2009 9:11:12 GMT -5
It's going to have to be Sunday at some point. I normally like to do it when the first pitch of the season is thrown (assuming I'm home), but Tom hates that.
I actually don't think I will be home during the first game, so I'm going to give Tom a choice--either when I wake up on Sunday morning, or when I get to work on Monday morning.
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Post by Bad Mouth Larry on Apr 1, 2009 9:23:11 GMT -5
dude. name a fucking time. what is this shit? i have better things to do then keep watching this msg board trying to figure out when you decide to open up the waivers. thanks.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 1, 2009 10:14:48 GMT -5
Larry, no worries, I absolutely insisted a time is named in advance.
Looks like its going to be 10AM.
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 1, 2009 10:15:47 GMT -5
10am SUNDAY or MONDAY? Your call, no worries either way.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 1, 2009 10:38:33 GMT -5
Id prefer 10AM Sunday, as long as we confirm anyone added at that time is not eligible for the weeks lineup.
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Post by jwmcc on Apr 1, 2009 10:43:04 GMT -5
Sounds fair enough.
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Post by IronHorse4 on Apr 1, 2009 14:28:33 GMT -5
The lineups would be due Saturday night/Sunday morning (I believe midnight PT is how Yahoo works). So any pickups made Sunday morning would not be eligible for that week.
I forget...when the wire is released, does everyone go on waivers, or does everyone become FA?
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 1, 2009 14:30:15 GMT -5
I believe everyone becomes a FA instantly in this league. I think they're already free agents. You just can't pick them up because you are manually locked. Sounds like the people want Sunday at 10am. I will do my best to oblige. If by 10am the rosters aren't unlocked, feel free to badger. But I should be ok with it.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 1, 2009 14:47:01 GMT -5
Wait...hold up here. Sunday 10AM is the time, yes. But I was thinking that is only to replace your DL'd guys. You should start the season with what you have, and not make your first "waiver move" until the next week. That first Sunday should not be a "help me, I did something stupid" week.
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Post by IronHorse4 on Apr 1, 2009 15:00:47 GMT -5
No, the first Sunday is the day to start picking guys up. I thought there was no "did something stupid". Didn't we make that crystal clear? Why the fuck did I take Brandon Inge with a draft pick if I didn't have to make sure I had a backup C or 3B for that first week?
Lineups are due Sunday morning at midnight PT, and the transactions start after the lineups are locked in for the week. How many years have we been doing this now?
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 1, 2009 15:12:25 GMT -5
I understand all that - my point is after you make your first move the following Friday, you will have now made TWO transactions before the second week of play. By one week from Sunday, you can have two guys in your lineup that were not there when you finished your draft. That seems askew.
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Post by IronHorse4 on Apr 1, 2009 15:37:34 GMT -5
Well, Saturday is when the transaction week re-starts and not Friday, but I see your point.
Thing is, why should a team be rewarded for getting an injured guy and being able to make a DL move? I mean, Neil took Smoltz knowing (or maybe not knowing) that he was out until June. So he gets a move on Sunday and I don't, because I was smart enough to pick 25 guys that are expected to be healthy on Sunday? I don't like that much.
I think we were always able to make those two moves before week 2. I don't see the harm in it, as potentially having an empty spot for one week is penalty enough.
I really think we were always able to do that.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 1, 2009 15:46:02 GMT -5
Maybe....I dont know. Not sure how I never kiboshed it, if so. The DL is one thing, and yeah, at times its sketchy. But why bother drafting 25 if you are going to immediatly jump in and make a change before pitch 1 is thrown? We should just cut the draft to 24, and pick the 25th Opening Day then.
I dont know, I am going to research, I know this has come up before.
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 1, 2009 17:33:23 GMT -5
I think Justin is right--it's just one of those opening week things. You DO start the season with what you drafted. Honestly, I would recommend that if you don't want people making any moves the first week, to include DL moves too, because as pointed out, you would be punishing people who drafted healthy players.
You never had that before. You ALWAYS allowed everything to begin Opening Day because for one week, your lineup IS the team you drafted.
There is no rule where you can't DRAFT someone who is injured and then replace it. That actually makes SOME sense, because that DL replacement is essentially a 26th round pick. To GET that injured guy, you had to burn a higher round pick, which in theory, should be better than any waiver wire pick.
HOWEVER--
That STOPS the second the draft is over. Once the season begins, you are NOT allowed to pick up a guy on the DL, and then get a DL move to replace that guy. You pick up a guy on the DL, that IS your transaction, and you can't replace him for at least a week. Also, you can't play games with the DL to get a free transaction.
For example. Let's say Sandy Koufax is on the DL, and at the same time he's about to come off the DL, Tom Seaver gets hurt. You CANNOT put Seaver on the DL, pick someone up, then take Koufax OFF the DL, and drop someone else. You MUST replace Seaver with Koufax.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 1, 2009 18:56:24 GMT -5
I would recommend that if you don't want people making any moves the first week, to include DL moves too, because as pointed out, you would be punishing people who drafted healthy players.
That does not work, cause 90% of the guys who end up on the DL between our draft and Opening Day are hurt in spring training, or not DL locks at the least. I know Duscherer, for me, was pitching this spring before he was shut down. I have the right to replace that sort of guy.
And making a move Sunday morning is NOT going into the season with the team you drafted in my books, cause you already dropped one of the guys before the first pitch is thrown. And one week later, you drop another, and you have already made 2 moves after 4-6 games.
Ill leave it alone this year, but next year I am changing this rule. At that point, first non-DL move is made midnight Friday into Saturday after the first weeks of games has been played.
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Post by jwmcc on Apr 1, 2009 20:16:34 GMT -5
"Ill leave it alone this year, but next year I am changing this rule. At that point, first non-DL move is made midnight Friday into Saturday after the first weeks of games has been played."
malarky! NO RULE CHANGES, NO NO NO NO NOTHING CHANGES !!!
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 1, 2009 20:58:04 GMT -5
Unless, of course, Tom wants it changed.
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 2, 2009 5:54:39 GMT -5
I agree with you that 90 percent of the guys that are hurt ARE hurt in spring training--especially when the draft is as early as it was this year. All I'm saying is that opening it up for just DL purposes is probably not practical since there's no setting for that. Consistency is key here.
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Post by nobeernofun on Apr 3, 2009 21:40:04 GMT -5
Hey hold on here. Some of us work on Sunday's and won't be home to make their D.L. MOVES !!!
I vote for unlocking at first pitch Sunday night 8:15 or so.
I seem to have the most to lose as I'll have the most players on the D.L. Damn it !!!
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Post by elliejay21 on Apr 5, 2009 15:41:02 GMT -5
Still confused... do I get a not DL move before midnight on Friday or not?
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 5, 2009 15:41:35 GMT -5
Yes.
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