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Post by MSBNYY on Jun 1, 2010 7:27:48 GMT -5
Grover once again going for the elusive session win.
Grover--159
Justin--151
Pops--119*
John--112
Jose--86
Tom--83
Nettles--81
Knoblauch--81
Larry--77
Milton--70
Laura--59
Evan--37
*includes the lost Burnett win, which Yahoo did not count until the start of Session 5.
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Post by jwmcc on Jun 1, 2010 8:18:16 GMT -5
Wow, better root for Pops either winning or losing the session handily after this ruling..
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Post by MSBNYY on Jun 1, 2010 8:22:08 GMT -5
The problem is that it's not just Burnett's win. It's the whole game. I think Jeter's HR may also have been added in on Monday as well, plus any other hits that came after the split.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jun 1, 2010 9:11:43 GMT -5
Yeah, John, we cant go back and nickle and dime this to death. It is what it is. Its a Yahoo thing. I dont know why it happened, but I also dont know why it took 2 full days for the red DL to show up for Kendry when he broke his freaking leg.
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Post by IronHorse4 on Jun 1, 2010 9:18:13 GMT -5
So why doesn't Evan have extra points this session from Jeter's home run? Where are Jose's points from Rivera's save?
You HAVE to "nickel and dime" this to death, because money is involved. Some of us plan on contending for money this year, so it's important to us.
I get it...you just don't feel like doing the work. But the research has to be done, regardless of when the points are awarded. If I were Evan or Jose, I'd be pretty pissed right now, if they even realize how they are getting screwed.
As for Morales, he was officially placed on the DL by the club on Sunday, and Yahoo put the red DL next to his name early Monday morning, less than 24 hours after morales was officially placed on the DL. The DL argument has absolutely no place here.
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Post by grover on Jun 1, 2010 10:06:02 GMT -5
>Session 4 make up pts happen in session 4
>Added to session 5
>Yahoo determines session rules now
>WTF am I reading?
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Post by MSBNYY on Jun 1, 2010 11:24:29 GMT -5
Justin--Evan DOES have extra points from Jeter's HR. And Jose DOES have extra points from the save. I checked on Evan after my last post. Everyone who had points coming to them, got them on Monday. Evan has 5 more points this session than he should.
There are a good 20 something players involved, scattered over 12 teams in the league. There would be a LOT of manual scoring for one game.
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Post by IronHorse4 on Jun 1, 2010 11:59:26 GMT -5
I only saw the asterisk next to Pops' name, and not Evan's or Jose's on your list.
As for the scoring, points are points. Is it a lot of manual scoring for one game? Sure it is. But you can't do it for one and not the other. Either way the scoring has to be done.
Yahoo allots the points for Tuesday, May 25, according to everyone's team that has players. That's where the points belong. But either way, everyone has to get the points somehow, so I'm not sure where your argument fits here.
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Post by jwmcc on Jun 1, 2010 12:06:42 GMT -5
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Post by grover on Jun 1, 2010 12:24:09 GMT -5
I don't see why its not in your power to put the points in the correct spot.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jun 1, 2010 12:25:38 GMT -5
The asterisk is my fault for not checking the others until after the post. All the points scored from that game are included in the new session--for everyone affected. I haven't done any manual scoring. I just didn't think to check anyone else. But those points are already a part of the scoring. I just won't use the asterisk anymore.
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Post by grover on Jun 1, 2010 13:34:23 GMT -5
The fact that it effects everyone this session does not make it the correct action.
It was last sessions points and can and should be added to last session. Yahoo doesnt dictate our sessions, and the argument against it is essentially 'oh well'
I tell you this, if I lose out this session to pops by 10 or so points, find someone else for my spot next year.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jun 2, 2010 6:08:47 GMT -5
And what happens if there are multiple split games in a session, that are corrected? You seriously expect us to keep track of all those individual players and manually do the points? If you do, I'm sorry, but that's just not practical. There's a reason we use Yahoo. THEY are the ones that go through the boxscores and track the points. These point totals have no effect on the overalls, and the only reason it's an issue here is because we manually calculate sessions in 2 week intervals and can't set Yahoo up to do that for us.
Yahoo keeps track of the scores and calculates the points. The bottom line is that there's nothing unfair because it's being done consistently and universally. Everyone is on the same playing field in the same boat. Yahoo isn't perfect. It never has been. But it's what we use.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jun 2, 2010 6:12:23 GMT -5
Grover--203
Justin--166
Tom--161
Pops--152
John--145
Laura--126
Nettles--121
Knoblauch--117
Jose--116
Larry--106
Evan--102
Milton--100
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Post by grover on Jun 2, 2010 9:43:52 GMT -5
So essentially the argument is you can't be bothered.
Yes, I very much expect you to do your job. Does this happen often? I would say NO, because obviously someone like Justin who's been in the League every year just gave his view on it, and it appears Tom JUST rendered a ruling. Can anyone help me out with this and fill me in on how often this does happen?
Unbelievable. We have someone who travels from Chicago to be a part of this draft and you can't click your mouse a few more times every once and a while? Even with a guy ho works are fucking Elias helping you out?
Guess what? I can't be bothered to join this retard league again next season. Have fun with Chicken Chow Mein Charlie who sits over by Andy wasting space so either Justin, Larry or Knoblauch can coast to a win again.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jun 2, 2010 10:22:08 GMT -5
Essentially the argument is that it's just too impractical to go back and try to figure out which players are effected and which teams are effected. I don't think this has happened before, or if it has, it happened between sessions, or we just didn't notice it.
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Post by grover on Jun 2, 2010 10:49:47 GMT -5
Well since that's not an issue you'll have plenty of time to find my replacement next year.
I'm not giving my money to a league where I have to worry about things not being taken care of because it's an inconvenience, or where rules are made up as we go along.
'Hey, this-and-this happened, and can cost me money, what's up?'
'Nothing, it's to much trouble, we'll take the easy way out'
As a commish myself, it's insulting. I run all decisions by the league and try to get the best possible solutions and views from my league, and do everything I can to make it run as smoothly as possible, regardless of how annoying it gets.
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Post by IronHorse4 on Jun 2, 2010 11:01:54 GMT -5
Thing is, you can't really blame Balls. He's really just a Jack Tunney to Tom's Vince.
If Tom got screwed on this one, I think we'd see something different.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jun 2, 2010 11:03:52 GMT -5
You're absolutely wrong on that. In fact, I am of the firm belief that this is the way Yahoo did it, its how the numbers rang in, and it is what it is.
Im fine with leaving it be. If you guys want to figure it out, by all means, I dont care. Go do the math for every player who played in that game, and work on the numbers. Feel free.
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Post by IronHorse4 on Jun 2, 2010 11:06:32 GMT -5
THE GREAT AND POWERFUL OZ HAS SPOKEN
I already did the math. Took less than 10 minutes. Check the other thread.
Question is, why did I have to do it? I pay money to be in this league.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jun 2, 2010 11:16:32 GMT -5
Ok, well you can continue to do the daily numbers until this session is through. Thanks for taking the lead on that.
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Post by IronHorse4 on Jun 2, 2010 11:18:39 GMT -5
Give me a discount on this session and I'll be happy to do that.
I've already provided the incredibly and easily accessible numbers, which is more than I should have to do for the comptroller of a family business.
Balls doesn't seem too worried about someone potentially losing out on $60, but he'll complain in another thread about some cashier screwing him out of a quarter.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jun 2, 2010 11:31:42 GMT -5
Justin is right about the Jack Tunney reference. My job is more organizational than decision making. It's Tom's league, and he makes the decisions. You all know that going in. This happens to be a decision that I agree with. It's the most logical one.
Everyone is in the same boat here.
And I eventually got that quarter back. Karma.
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Post by IronHorse4 on Jun 2, 2010 11:38:14 GMT -5
It's not the most logical one. It's the EASIEST one. Big, BIG difference.
Less than 15 minutes by Balls could save YOU $60 in session winnings.
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Post by grover on Jun 2, 2010 12:05:49 GMT -5
Can I make a request that you guys reconsider this rule since Justin pointed out how quick it can be resolved?
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jun 2, 2010 12:48:10 GMT -5
Heres what I am willing to concede on this. This goes back to the idea that this is much ado about NOTHING and this will not affect the session.
We continue to go by Balls' numbers. If every once in a while Justin or someone wants to "adjust them" as they see fit, thats fine, there is a thread for that now.
At the end of the session, whoever wins by Balls' numbers wins the session. If someone figures out there is a glitch, and chooses to, they can PROTEST. If they can in fact then show that THEY should have won the session, I will allow this to be overturned. But again, you guys will be responsible for these numbers.
If the session ends without this changing anything as I am sure it will, thats the end of it. If something goes amuck, people need to be paying attention enough to stake a claim that they have been screwed. Half this league is asleep anyway, and missing all of this, cause they dont know, nor do they care.
So yeah, I understand the points Justin and Grover are making. I think what Yahoo did put us in a stupid situation. But, that said, regular session numbers are what we are going by, unless a formal protest is lodged the Monday following the session by anyone who can prove these numbers screwed them out of the money.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jun 2, 2010 13:24:08 GMT -5
That's fine. This way, we are dealing with one person's past rather than 12. No one is denying Grover's and Justin's arguments. It's just the practicality invites mistakes, especially if there is more than one suspended game involved in a session. No one wants to cost anyone money.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jun 2, 2010 13:26:25 GMT -5
Exactly. I am willing to budge on this and let sanity prevail, but not at the stage of playing puzzles with the numbers with over a week and a half left in the session. Track your team, hope for the best, and protest if you feel you are wronged. I dont see this making a difference anyway, odds are slim.
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Post by nobeernofun on Jun 2, 2010 23:05:25 GMT -5
I say the points go to season 4 not 5. I'd be pissed if I lost by 14 points that a team earned them the season before. It just don't sound right.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jun 3, 2010 7:20:34 GMT -5
Again, there's a reason Yahoo does the scoring and not us.
Grover--246
Justin--226
John--190
Pops--188
Tom--182
Nettles--181
Larry--158
Milton--156
Jose--153
Laura--147
Knoblauch--140
Evan--125
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