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Post by $heriff Tom on Aug 26, 2006 22:30:23 GMT -5
This was like my favorite thread off of the old board, so i am going to recuscitate it here. In fact, I may very well move some posts over for archive purposes, and anyone new who joins us. I think this is different from Grover's "Old-School" thread in that there may be some newer matches on here, and that thread will still be great for random observations about matches, promos, and stars of the day alike.
Here is what I left with over there on Sec39.com.
Threw on a cool compilation I got a couple of years back - its a feud compendium, 6 hours of the epic "Curt Hennig - Nick Bockwinkle" fued. I realize that would sound very boring to some, but I enjoy it.
I am in the early stages, the "84-85" section, before Hennig was getting shots at Bocks belt. Last night I watched a tag battle with a beefy Curt (who looked more like his Dad than he ever did at this time) teaming with Tom Zenk (just months away from his Can-Am stint with the WWF) against the nefarious rulebreakers Nick Bockwinkle and Larry Zbysko. To make matters worse, the heels had the sneaky Ray "The Crippler" Stevens at ringside. Greg Gagne joined Larry Nelson on commentary, and was funny, bitching and moaning about the devious tactics being employed by the 3 veterans.
The end of the match came when Zenk was tossed out of the ring and beaten up by Stevens. The ref, who was busy breaking up Bock and Hennig, missed those shenanigans. He turned around in time to count out Zenk. While Hennig was working things out in the ring, Larry Z lifted Zenk up for a piledriver, and Stevens grabbed his legs and spiked him. Zenk then started going into the twitch and jerk routine on the floor, selling "a neck injury." An outraged Gagne joined Hennig and the ref at ringside to lend a hand.
The funniest part was an interview Hennig cut after the match vowing revenge. Gagne hit the scene and started ripping into the heels, when matchmaker Stanley Blackburn came out. He mentioned he did not see the match, but was "informed of what happened" and promised "large fines and possible suspensions." Gagne was like a little baby, ratting on the heels, saying in a whiny voice "Zybysko went to piledrive him and Stevens grabbed his legs...thats what he did." to Blackburn.
Good stuff.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 1, 2006 21:20:43 GMT -5
Watching some more of my comps, still back in summer of 96. I had taped a bit of a tangle between The Giant, then enconsed in the Dungeon of Doom, vs. Randy Savage, who was playing the psycho loon back then. Elizabeth was running with the Horsemen, and they were driving Savage crazy.
This "match" was nothing but a scrap with swinging chairs. Savage was popping Giant with chairs, and Hugh Morrus ran in to help. Savage started clearing house, even getting in a shot at Jimmy Hart. Then the rest of the Dungeon, which was sadly the laughing stock of stables back then, piled in. Big Bubba, Meng, and the Barbarian. But the highlight of all this was Giant stomping to the ropes, putting his hands on there, and vaulting OVER THE ROPES TO THE FLOOR to chase Savage to the back. Its amazing how limber that big galoot was.
In other matches on this tape the scraggly-haired Giant was doing dropkicks and the like, and even making moves to the top rope. He had apparently been practicing "moonsaults" at the Power Plant, but they would not let him do one.
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Post by globix on Sept 1, 2006 23:02:22 GMT -5
That made me think of the time Kevin nash powerbombed the Giant, and nearly killed him by dropping him on his head
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 2, 2006 9:32:51 GMT -5
Speaking of zany moves, how about how about Booker T would lay down "The Harlem Hangover." A flip off the top rope, culminating in a land on the opponent in legdrop fashion. Can you imagine "King Booker" doing that today?
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Post by sancho231 on Sept 2, 2006 16:53:02 GMT -5
Poped in a DVD of Classic Georgia Championship Wrestling last night and watched a decent match with and great ending. it was Kevin Sullivan,looking very young and with long blond hair, team with "Mr. USA" Tony Atlas to take on The Russian Tandem of Koloff and Smirnoff.this was a good match with the russians Beatin Sullivan for most of the match tille the hot tag was made to Tony Atlas. After a bunch of Slams and whatnot untill Atlas Gets Koloff in a sleeper as Sullivan and Smirnoff are brawling on the outside.Now, as Atlas has the sleeper on, the Russians manager takes out a towel doused it with a fluid and wraps it around atlas's face. Atlas dropps like a sack of shit and Koloff pins him for the win.but that s not the best part, After the match Gordon Solie talks to a few of the Fans and Really puts it over the fans are screaming that they smell either and they really belive that it was Real. great stuff
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 5, 2006 13:07:24 GMT -5
That Georgia studio was one of my favorite places in the world. And Gordon Solie was THE man.
I am currently going to go through my comp tapes in chronological order. I made these tapes while watching wrestling on the tube over the years, recording whatever struck my fancy. Matches, angles, interviews. Its a treasure trove. I am going to use this thread not just for matches, but memories.
I am in 1996 now, heading into Fall Brawl where the NWO (newly strengthened by the addition of The Giant, and the Sting imposter that had some people thinking Sting had turned) vs Ric Flair and Arn Anderson representing the Horsemen, and Luger and Sting.
This was funny. During a Nitro the NWO was out in the parking lot, putting flyers on cars. Problem was, it was pouring. So they were just sticking them to the sides of the cars. Thats ok. But later in the show a bunch of WCW loyalists ran outside and found the NWO limo, and decided to tag it by spraying WCW on there. Again...problem was, it was RAINING. That did not stop these idiots. So they are spraying the limo, Randy Savage in particular, and nothing is sticking. You cant really spraypaint in a pouring rain. The WCW crew out there was a goofy ragtag, including the Dungeon of Doom guys, Savage, The Nasty Boys, Billy Kidman, a couple of lucha guys, people like that.
Earlier in the show the NWO and the "fake Sting" had beat up Lex Luger in that same parking lot, in that same driving rain. It was funny to watch advisor Ted Dibiase directing the beatdown traffic while holding a big umbrella over his head.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 7, 2006 7:32:56 GMT -5
I was telling Grover last week about another comic moment on this tape. The WWF had made a stop in Toronto to push an upcoming supercard, and the wrestlers were making the rounds, promoting up the kazoo. Well, Sid drew the lucky card and was sent to a park for some Special Olympics event.
So they show footage of Sid having, and losing badly, a "tug-of-war" with a real live elephant. So, they show this, and Jim Ross sanctimoniously says, "while Sid was dissapointed, his young friends did not want to see this man lose" or something bombastic like that. Well....you can just about guess what happens next.....all these Special Olympians storm the turf, grab hold of the rope along with Sid, and collectively they beat the elephant. Jim Ross talks about this with the glowing admiration that was last seen when man first stepped on the moon.
Terribly campy. Sid and the kids then hopped around like a Rocky scene. Those who could not hop simply whooped and raised their hands in the air.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 10, 2006 9:35:53 GMT -5
Ok, here's more. In one scene the NWO are beating down Randy Savage for what seems like forever. The "story" behind this is that all the top WCW guys were "touring Japan" and not around to help. So they batter Savage, do all their finishing moves on him, and all that. Hogan then pulls out some black spraypaint and starts howling into the mic that Savage's "bald head is so shiny its getting into my eyes!" and he spray paints his bald spot. Bischoff is going ballistic, yelling, "what does HE see when he looks in the mirror!" in regards to Hollywood Hogan.
Another clip is one of those "paid for by the NWO" ads, shot in a hotel room. The Nasty Boys, back when it was teased they were going NWO, join them in the room. One of the funnier parts to this skit besides X-Pac trying to order room service in the back of the shot while everyone is carrying on is Saggs jumping on a coffee table, putting his back to the camera, and making his butt "talk" with his hands, pretending to be a whining Eric Bischoff.
Lastly, this was around the time the NWO had beaten up Brutus Beefcake/Ed Leslie/The Bootyman/The Butcher/The Man with No Name when he came out during Road Wild with a birthday cake for Hogan. What a kiss-ass. Well, on WCW "Saturday Night" they did one of those heart to heart sit down interviews, where this guy was really piling it on. He was even telling stories about his Mom dying, and Hogan being the first to call, and then his Dad dying and Hogan showing up and telling him he would always be there for him, and how he first woke up from his infamous parasailing accident while Hogan was "holding my hand, and telling me not to give up."
LOL!
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Post by globix on Sept 10, 2006 23:27:14 GMT -5
I loved those "shot in a hotel room" NWO skits.
Scott Hall: Hey, yo. You really Andre's Kid?
The Giant: Don't Go there.
I also remember those: "There's noone here to help him!!! They're all in japan!!!" nights fondly
My personal highlight from that era is Fake Sting
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 11, 2006 7:27:58 GMT -5
Yeah, the fake Sting is all over this tape. He is in this latest hotel room skit, sitting on the back of the couch. Nash calls him the "best imposter ever." The original bit where he comes out of the limo in the drenching rain to attack Lex while Bischoff and Heenan have heart attacks on the mic in shock and disgust is fantastic. Well done.
Stupid Sting. Between "Cobra" pretending to be him and keeping the gag going to the point of taking the name NWO Sting and Barry Windham playing Sting at that Halloween Havoc card years before, he can't catch a break.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 16, 2006 0:31:32 GMT -5
Threw my 96 tape on to unwind before hitting sack tonight. I'll open with a joke, out of the mouth of Bobby Heenan. Hell, it made Tony Schiavone laugh..
"What do you call Hulk Hogan buried up to his neck in sand?"
A - "not enough sand."
Besides all the NWO shenanigans that were going on at this point, this was the time when Jim Ross, "bitter" for being fired by the WWF before, bought in the fake Razor Ramon and Big Daddy Cool. A very entertaining battle of words went on at the booth between JR and Gorilla Monsoon, while Kevin Kelly and Jerry Lawler called a long and boring Ramon and Savio Vega match. After Ross complained about being fired and not being able to feed his family, Monsoon quipped, "you dont look like YOU have missed too many meals."
At one point Ross barked at Monsoon that "I'll be here long after you are gone." How right he was.
Boy, Rick Bogner did look the part of Razor Ramon, but obviously it was all met with a collective groan.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 21, 2006 19:37:40 GMT -5
This was a good one. Popped in my Raven DVD, and saw a Hell of a skirmish with Jeff Jarrett for Jarretts NWA strap, circa 2003. Raven came to the ring with his "Gathering" of Julio Dinero and Alexis "Mickie James" Laree.
Jarrett was in sort of a tweener role, but by the end of the match the crowd was feting him like he was Hulk Hogan. Raven and his cronies were up to all sorts of nefarious deeds. The match itself was quite the brawl, then all Hell broke loose. As the ref was sending Dinero and Alexis to the back for constant poking about, James Mitchells Lords of the New Church showed up at ringside and punches were flying. Raven started motioning to the back, and quite the group showed up....I had forgotten all about this....
THE EXTREME REVOLUTION!
How did TNA bungle this one? Sandman, Saturn, New Jack, and Justin Credible. And I fucking think I am forgetting someone to boot... Raven joined them in cuffing Jarrett, and beating the holy Hell out of him. The lights went out and when they came back on, here stood.....SABU!!!!! Sabu, much to the delight of Mike Tenay and Don West, came to Jarretts aid and cleared the ring of the evil ECW alum.
Raven went back to work on the handcuffed Jarrett, beating him over the head with the chair. Both men were bloody messes by now. Raven then went for a coup de grace, but Jarrett moved and the chair bounced off the top rope, clocked Raven, and down he went. Jarrett plopped on top of him, hands cuffed behind his back....but only got 2! The ref came up with a key (handed it to him by a ref from the back) and needed Ravens help to uncuff Jarrett. They kind of tried to splice this on the DVD, so it must have taken forever.
To make a long story predictably short, Raven soon fell to the even flow, and Jarrett soaked in the adulation of the fans.
FANTASTIC match and specatacle, worth the price of the DVD on its own.
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Post by cactusjames on Sept 22, 2006 11:19:48 GMT -5
Since I got my DX video I've been watching the matches there, the shit I grew up watching, I miss the new generation/attitude era so much now. But all the matches centered around the first formation of DX. Great match with HBK and Mankind from Raw, really good Owen/Michaels match, also the Bret Hart/Triple H match where HBK put the candian flag up his nose. I don't care what anyone says, one of the best heels ever, Michaels pissed the crowd off so much. The first couple of matches HBK shakes hands with the crowd still being a semi face, during a match after DX formed he came down turning side to side doing the crotch chop telling them to suck it. That was too fucking funny to me.
But the match I'm going to talk about is the tag match between Mankind and Taker against the first time, hesitant partners of Triple H and Shawn Michaels, with Chyna at ringside. HBK started dancing with Chyna who wanted none of that so he back off in a funny spot during his entrance. HBK and HHH play the heels so well being afraid of Taker not wanting to get in the ring. Eventually Mankind statts it off and quicly gets double teams and sells for pretty much the whole thing. You had you mix of action, double team moves and comedy spots notably HBK consistently doing the crotch chops to the crowd just pissing them off in the worse way.
After a commercial break and a little more selling from Mankind he makes the hot tag to Taker who cleans house. Rick Rude who came walking down to ringside was in the mix as well as Chyna, he tried to hit Taker with the chair in the back but he had eyes in the back of his head and Rude backed off. Triple H tried to catch Taker off guard but he turned around in time to catch Triple H too and plant him with a chokeslam. Then as soon as he turned around, quick as a cat Michaels WHACK! nails Undertaker with a chair in the skull. No hands, competely dented chair. Taker stumbles and staggers to his feet just to take another viscious shot THUD!(I know, it's like 70's Batman readint those) another one and Taker is down. A closeup on HBK shows him mouthing "Oh fuck" just as Taker sits up and the heels clear the ring as Takers entire forehead is covered in blood streaming down his face staggering after the cowardly duo as McMahon put them.
Pretty much setting the stage for DX and the first ever Hell in a Cell. Which if it weren't for Taker and Foleys bump fest at Kingof the Ring 98, the first one would be considered the best. It certainly had more ring psychology too it than tossing a guy off and through a cage. Also I want to give MVP of the the tag match Mankind, for suprisingly taking the sweet chin music bump really really well. I wouldn't expect a big guy like that to drop so fast from the superkick but he did it so well it reminded me why I like kicking people in the head. And a kudos to Chyna, her facial expressions when they guys who do all their bits, the faces she made were really funny. Like "Oh great, these two jerks are acting like little kids again". But my god what a gargantuan, a brutal looking one at that too.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 26, 2006 23:39:10 GMT -5
Good stuff from you, James. I enjoy your recaps.
Saw some interesting stuff tonight. History makes it seem like an epic Wrestlemania match turned Brett Hart heel while turning Austin into a hero. Well, the buildup for this was a lot longer, and the WWF pretty much forced the fans hand.
Watching a tape from November 06, a full 4 months before that epic encounter. Austin had run into a Hart match earlier on, putting the boots to him, while announcing from the booth. So Hart decided to join McMahon and Lawler to call a match between the hated Steve Austin and.....the hated Vader.
So lets get this straight....the fans are supposed to hate Austin and love Brett, but Austin is sent out there against the despised Vader, with the motormouth Cornette at ringside. So Austin was already the favorite in the match. The fans were popping huge for his offense against Vader, who was clubbing him around the ring for the most part. Late in the match Vader flips Austin over the top rope, and Hart predictably leaves the booth to attack Austin. He batters him on the floor, and puts him in the sharpshooter. The fans are not happy with him. The ref cant get him off, so the suits from the back try. It takes Vader attacking him to break this up. Hart tries to get some of his face energy back by trading blows with Vader, but its all for naught, as when Vader is led away Hart attacks Austin again. By now he is being outright booed.
I did not remember it all like this. There was also an interview from around the same time where Brett was already in bitch mode, and heeling a bit. So, it seems now, going into Mania a full four months later the seeds were already planted for a double-switch that the WWF set up all along.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 29, 2006 9:45:34 GMT -5
Couple of goofy notes from my march through the tapes. Currently in and around November of 96.
Theres a bit during a Raw taping where Stone Cold is acting all big and bad and he marches to a lockerroom where Brett is watching the show "on a monitor" and decides to threaten him. So he is beating on the supposedly locked door, giving Hart the wherewithall. Problem is, as he lets go of the door, it swings open at least 3 inches. As he continues his harangue, you see him gently shove the door closed, while jiggling the handle, still pretending its locked. Oops! Hey, file this in the "hardly remembered" category. Austin certainly hit a bonanza with his "Austin 3:16" schpiel, but do you know for a time he was trying to beat a dead horse and push other verses, so to speak? More than once during clips from this period he would say something like, "Austin 4:12 says I am going to knock your head off your shoulders" and other inane stuff like that. Glad they nipped that in the bud before it made him look really stupid and took away from the 3:16 line.
Also, one other thing I need to mention. On WWF TV at this time they were pushing a "knock em sock em" robot sort of game called "karate fighters." So they had this tournament set up as a series of commercials where WWF folk from Doc Hendrix to Jerry Lawler to Sable to Sunny to Mr Backlund squared off in a tourney. Its hokey beyond belief, and hosted by Todd Pettingill, and the action is called by a bad impersonator playing the role of....sigh....CARVE Albert.
But check it out - the finals of the tourney were held IN THE RING in front of a crowd, with Sable (with Mark Mero at her side) vs Lawler (with HHH), all hosted by Jim Ross. - Sable ends up winning, and Mero and Lawler end up trading punches. HHH jumps in, and all Hell breaks loose...over Karate Fighters. Goldust scrambles into the ring to save Mero, knocking down Sable in the process as she is standing by the ropes, and ends up tumbling on her ass, in one of those funny wrestling bloopers.
This all culminates in only Goldust and Lawler left in the ring, and Lawler pretty much asking Goldust if he was "a queer." Goldust says an emphatic "No!" and knocks out Lawler with one punch. Funny stuff.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Oct 4, 2006 10:31:31 GMT -5
So the other night I saw a good example of NWO menacing. Nash and Hall bullied the dickens out of poor Tony Schiavone. It started off the show, the NWO had interfered in a tag battle between the Nasty Boys and the Faces of Fear, taking them all out with swinging chairs. If I am not mistaken, this is the infamous chair shot where Hall ended the career of Jerry Saggs....the shot was not shown on Nitro, but they showed a still to get over the severity of the attack. Ironic, as it ended up taking the guy out for real.
Anyway, Hall and Nash hop to ringside where Zybysko and Schiavone were announcing, and they start doing the playground hassling of Tony, ruffling his hair and picking at his shirt. Schiavone tries to wave them away, cowering all the time. At one point he looks to Larry Z and practically pleads for a save, asking, "uh...you can get involved anytime you want here." and Larry snaps back, "you're the one that said blah blah to get them mad" or something to that effect.
Nash got personal, bringing up Tony's "bad back" and threatening him with the old, "do you want to play with your kids?" line. They kind of push him around a bit more, then walk off to a chorus of boos. Schiavone then goes off on Larry Z for not coming to his aid, pulls off his headset and throws it down, and storms off. Funny stuff, and sold with more emotion than anything we have seen in recent years, pretty much.
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Post by cactusjames on Oct 18, 2006 2:49:13 GMT -5
I may have wrote about this match on the old board, but I got insomnia, and I can' fine/am too lazy to try and find a classic match. Maybe in a few days I'll do the WWE Title match from the Rumble between Benoit and Anglea wrestlig classic).
but I do a HBK match and you'll like it. The comeback match from 2002. Summerslam at the Nassau Coliseum. HBK starts off doing his laying out on the turnbuckle taunting HHH. I love it and do it whenever possible. It's non sanctioned so anything goes, duh. The match starts with stiff shots and fast action, it quickly spills to the outside. HBK controls the offense throwing HHH into the steps and baricade. JR and King make a big deal about HBKs back. Shawn skins the cat and clothelines HHH for a nice little pop. HBK goes for the kick early but Trips reverses and gives him a nice looking backbreaker that takes the air out of the crowd. Being in the crowd, and being an HBK mark, the move deflated the crowd.
But the crowd quickly got behind the showstoppa chanting HBK. Funny hearing JR and King put over HHH as 5 time champ, how much things have chaged since 2002. He takes off Shawns belt and whips him with it, Another backbreaker brings HBK to his knees with prompts HHH to do a nWo croth chop, not some malarky. HBK reversed a vertical suplex but got countered only got a DDT on a chair for his effort and bladed, real cheap. Again how things have changed. HHH starts working on the head and back heeling it up all thw way really selling the beating he's giving.
Trips brings in the hammer but the ref has a heart and HBK counters and gets the weapon out of the way. HBK soon got a hard irish whip into the corner and got put in an abdoimal stretch and gained extra leverage that was illegal, untill Herb Hebner interjected himself and made Trips release the hold.
Shawn regained control and went for a tope rope move. Trips, ever the ring general, pushed the ref into the ropes, knocking HBK off balance. Hung up on the ropes in a reverse tree of woe(exposng Shawns bad back) Trips took a chair into Shawns back. Followed up by a backbreaker on the chair bending the chair making it useless.
Hunter said it's time to end it untill Shawn low blowed HHH giving him a much needed breather, evening up the playing feild. Shawn sold the back injury climbing the ropes like Rocky in Rocky 2. HHH, well aware of the situation went in for a chair shot. However, quick as a cat HBK superkicked the chair into HHHs face busting him open. HBK hit the forearm and nipup for a huge pop. In 97 no one cares about that move. A bodyslam and chairshot later, compared to a Giambi like swing, HBK was about to go to work. He hits him with "everything but the kithen sink"/ After ramming Trips head into the steps, Shawn brings out the ladder and hits him and caterpaults him into the ladder. Some near fall by Michaels in the ring get the crowd fustrated so HBK goes back to the ladder only to get it in the chest due to a baseball slide. HHH has juiced pretty good although it won't stick around all match. HHH throws the Icon in the ring. HHH went uptop a la Naitch, only for Shawn to cut him short and superplex him off the turnbuckle for a nearfall. HBK got a roll up for another closecall but a clothesline puts Trips back in control. Trips goes to the steps to finish the Heartbreak Kid off only to get a drop toe hold and plants HHH into the steps.
They went back to the outside and the Showstoppa pulled out a table. JR said he was nuts to risk his back whenhe went up top. Shawn made the crazy circle around his head and he gave a vintage HBK flying body press to HHH through the table. Shawn got HHH back in thr ring and the ladder. He went for the elbow and nailed it and got a rush of adrenelin and the crowd poped huge. He warmed up for the kick, it got caught, HHH went for the pedigree but pulled Trips legs out and rolled him up for the 1-2-3 and the win only for the crowd to pop mega huge. Of course HHH took a sledgehammer to his back but the match was still huge and more than menmorable.
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Post by cactusjames on Oct 18, 2006 3:14:11 GMT -5
I forgot to add, tomorrow will be the hardcore match from April 1996, the In Your House PPV entitled Good Friends, Better Enemies. Last PPV match for Nash and Hall before jumping ship, funny spots because they tried to make it as kayfabe as possible, with clique references all around, but tounge in cheek the entire time. I may have covered that match before, but I will be repeating matches from the old board for my ver own Shawn Michaels retrospective. His best matches in his historic carreer. So Diesel and HBK will be next and the first Hell in a Cell will be revisited but is not his number one match(in my honest opinion) so stay tuned. You just read number 5, number 4 is tomorrow. Oh and if you don't like it.... well you know the rest.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Oct 23, 2006 9:08:51 GMT -5
Sifting through my 11/96 comp tape, and a lot of goofy little things there.
Around this time Bischoff had made a speech to the WCW crew that they had "30 days" to turn their WCW contracts into NWO contracts, and after that point, it was either for us, or against us.
So this was a time of silly turns. In one segment the NWO are goofing off in the ring, and here comes "American Male" Marcus Bagwell, being followed by Scotty Riggs, who is trying to pull him back. Bagwell is like, "no, I got to do this." So Bagwell enters the ring, and immediatly starts high-fiving the NWO. Riggs is off in the corner looking appalled. Bagwell sort of backs up into Riggs, and manages to cradle his head and drop him in a neckbuster move. The NWO then puts the boots to Riggs as Nash snarls in the mic, "he who hesitates is lost." By the end of the show Bagwell is full-fledged NWO heel, joining in on a beatdown of Roddy Piper to close the telecast, wearing his NWO shirt. Schiavone even remarked dryly, "well it didnt take him long to get involved."
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Post by sancho231 on Nov 8, 2006 0:49:17 GMT -5
SO I'm watching A tape Of '96 ECW TV from MSG network. almost Forgot it had one of the better ECW matches of all time, Shane Douglas VS 2 Cold scorpio for the TV tite. Great fuckin match, starts off with some nice Chain/may wrestling from both Men. soon turns into a brawl allover the bulding like most ECW matches at the time. Douglas Suplexs Scorp onto the gaurd Rail then Powerbombs him on the filthy concrete floor of the infamous South Philly bingo hall. scop soon gains the advantage byhittin his high flying stuff including a perfect moonsalut, a NICE 450 splash and a somersault legdrop, But he Refuses to pin douglas.this would come back to haunt him as Douglass got the win after a belly to belly superplex at the 25 mintue mark. awesome match post match saw Douglass Ask Scorpio to strap the belt aroud his waist only to have 2 cold smash him in the head with it and crush Shane's skul;l with a massive legdrop with shanes head unser a chair
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 14, 2006 8:46:23 GMT -5
Good stuff. I am lucky enough to have a heap of that era on tape too. Yo, check out this schmazz of a match I watched last night, watching my January, 1997 mix.
"Wildman" Marc Mero vs "Big Daddy Cool" Fake Diesel.
Shotgun Saturday Night! Live, at midnight, from the All-Star Cafe! First off, the setting. The ring took up most of the public area, and the fans were pressed together almost to the side of the ring, to where the managers could not even walk around ringside. The wrestlers even had to sort of fight their way to the ring from the back area, which made run-ins very anticlimactic, as they were glacial in pace.
Vince McMahon was joined by Sunny on commentary. She was worse than bad. Hot, yes. But her voice was grating and she added nothing, although this was around the time she was glomming over the newly arrived Rocky Maivia.
This match was out of control. More things happened in this nondescript going in match than any match I have seen since. It had everything, outside interference, antics with the valet/manager, miscommunication between "partners" and a storyline spin at the end.
Ok, the action itself was passable. Fake Diesel/Kane was always a decent big man, and Mero was bouncing all over the ring for him. At one point, the packed crowd be damned, the two men were going at it a bit outside the ring, and Diesel advanced on Sable, out there with Wildman, in a menacing fashion. She grabbed a chunk of some cake that was out there (not sure why) and threw it in his face. So we had some campy humor.
The first spate of interference happened when "Razor Ramon" came out the back and attacked Mero, who had been chucked from the ring, right in front of the ref. There was no DQ or anything. Rocky Maivia, who had a scheduled match with the bad guy later in the show, came out and sent him to the back with a flurry of punches.
For some reason The Honky Tonk Man was on hand, first interviewed in a box by that freak Todd Pettingill, and then ambling out to ringside through the sea of fans to hit on Sable. This was all getting to be a bit much. He started doing his shaky shaky, and Mero noticed this and broke up his own pin on Diesel to storm to ringside and and get in his face. Diesel of course took the opportunity to lay the boom on him, and all this led to a pin.
We were not done yet. Mero, starting his abusive personality run, started howling at Sable, blaming her for his misfortune. He then waved her away dismissively, and took a powder, leaving her in the ring. She actually started CRYING. It was funny to see Sable "crying" in the ring, on her knees. Cue up The Honky Tonk Man, who returned to the ring to dance again. Sunny actually made a crack like, "Sable is on her knees...who knows what the Honky Tonk Man has in mind." Vince grunted in response.
So at this point Honky is sort of bothering a cowering Sable, so here comes Maivia again, and he beats Honky Tonk back and clears the ring of him. And we are STILL not done. Here comes Wildman, angry that Maivia was honing in on his woman. The two exchange words, and then punches. The refs and agents storm the ring (well, as much as a storm as the packed crowd blocking their way allows) and break up the scrum.
So, for a Diesel/Mero match, this thing sure had a Hell of a lot going on.
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Post by grover on Nov 14, 2006 10:45:08 GMT -5
LOL What a mess! Wrestling is a joy sometimes.
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Post by grover on Nov 21, 2006 10:53:51 GMT -5
Teddy Long and Rick Steiner are in the ring with Jim Cornette between them, Power Hour circa 1990. Cornette set up a debate between the two, giving 30 seconds to each to respond to comments made during the debate.
They stare of with Long, who goes on to talk about how the Steiner Bros. are illiterate and are not in Dooms league. Cornette passes the mic to Rick, where he is albe to blurt out a 'Yo-" before Cornette pulls the mic away yelling 'TIME!!!!". Long gets another shot, Rick gets cut off again. Back to Rick for a third time, but this time he grabs Cornette by his collar ready to give him a beating. Long waves Doom in, and they team on Rick for a few seconds until Scott runs in for the save. That leads to.....
Doom v. The Steiners -Capital Combat 5/19/90
Match stars off slow, with Doom taking time out to go down to ringside to mix it up with rabid fans in the front row, who were on their feet in Doom and Teddy's face. Security comes down and tells the guys to settle down, and Reed turns to the camera and goes: "Either I'm going to beat up the Steiners, or I'm gonna beat up these geeks right here. Either way, someone getting beat up tonight!". Gotta love Butch Reed. The match kicks off and the crowd is still getting on Teddy Long for having a bald spot. Decent action, with a good mix of power moves and quick, agile drop kicks and knee lifts. Jim Ross also pointed out the Ron Simmons was Burt Reynolds favorite wrestler because he went to Florida State. A few minutes of decent wrestling later I noticed that we were 19 minutes in. Wow, I didn't even notice, since there was some good action. At this point, the pace is picked up, and the action is reaching an out of control brawl. Rick Steiner has Simmons in the corner while he is on the 2nd turnbuckle giving him a few shots. Reed sneaks up as Teddy Long distracts the ref, and pulls Rick down, with Simmons falling on top. Didn't look to bad of a move, but Jim Ross sold it as if they fell through the ring, and doom got the pin, the win, and the titles.
This leads to Doom taking on a team I fucking hated as a kid, the Rock n' Roll Express. This was a review of the match itself, because right before Teddy Long is interviewed and he is going on about a time limit draw, and how that result was malarky. They go to the match, and the action is SLOWWWWWW. They are obviously playing this time limit gag, because Morton would get hit and stay in the corner trying to shake the cobwebs while Simmons posed. This went on for about 5 minutes, and at that point the ring announcer goes "5 minutes, 5 minutes gone" which I found odd. Most matches back then that had a time limit didn't announce the time, so I knew I was in for a shit ending. More delaying, more blah action, and we got ourselves a 15 minute draw. Very annoying.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 21, 2006 11:43:21 GMT -5
Love me some Doom. I must say, Butch Reed is one of my favorite all-time wrestlers, and Ron Simmons is not too far behind. The work Reed did in Mid-South in the 80s was superb.
Why would Rick AGREE to a debate with Long, with someone like Cornette in charge? We know Rick is a dummy, but thats just asking for it.
Doom and the Steiners always mixed it up well. Lots of power moves, those guys were at their best against one another. I am a big Rock and Roll mark, but I agree they could tend to get into spates where they would mail it in, and sell way too much. Doom and the Rock and Rolls sounds like a mish-mash to begin with. Let me know when you run into some Doom vs the Horsemen stuff. That was classic.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Nov 27, 2006 19:36:39 GMT -5
Good ole Hacksaw Butch Reed...Remember in mid 80's watching Chamiponship Wrestling from Florida and he got a shot at Ric Flair and the title on TV. Of course it went to time limit draw when of course as they did back in the day everyone started yelling 5 more minutes and of course they were granted and Reed pinned Flair for the win setting off a huge victory celebration for the new champion and then they went to commercial...Of course after the commercial a subdued Gordon Solie tells us that the championship did not change hands and has been returned to Flair because the offical contracted time limit was reached and the official decision is a draw..LOL..I miss the old days...
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 3, 2007 13:49:32 GMT -5
Ok, I really need to kick this up again. I want to get back into the habit of watching at least one match a night, so I can put my collection to good use. It could be as little as a 5-10 minute investment daily. Last night I moved on to match 2 on the incredible Hogan compliation. I already had most of these matches on various tapes, but its nice to have some of his most classic bouts in one place. The match I watched last night was against Tricky Nick Bockwinkel, for the AWA crown.
This match went almost 20 minutes. Not your typical AWA battle, it mainly saw Bock bouncing around like a pinball for Hogan. There was more stalling than remembered in AWA, outside of a Larry Zybysko match. He made that into a gimmick. Bobby Heenan was at ringside, very animated although he really did not get involved aside from pointing out Bocks feet on the ropes during Hogan pin attempts here and there.
The crowd was HOT. What a raucous crowd. Everyone expected Hogan to take the belt that night...and he did. For about 3 minutes. The ref had been knocked down, and during the ensuing melee Hogan flipped Bock over the top rope. The ref ended up counting a pin, but AWA president Stanley Blackburn played the role of party pooper and pointed out that Hogan should have been DQ-d for the top rope flip before he made the pin. The crowd was engraged, and you could hear an audible "B--S---" chant, which I remembered as being unheard of back in the day.
There is a lot of backstory as to why Hogan never got that belt which I am not going to get into now. But this was a fun match to watch, although Bock did not have much offense in him on this night.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 5, 2007 8:24:52 GMT -5
So I'm very much in an AWA sort of mood these days. Last night I pulled one of my 6 hour comps that I got through the trading world, and flipped it on for a match.
AWA Champion Rick Martel (who is savagely underrated historically) vs the surprisingly tough challenge of Boris Zhukov. At this time Zhukov was slim and moved around the ring a lot faster, and had the old "hard head" gimmick going for him. He was using this to butt Martel around, and Martel's own shots to the head were doing more damage to him than old Boris.
The match was fast-paced, and exciting. Martel played the face in peril role, and it was realistic, although Zhukov is now looked at as one of wrestlings all-time goofs.
In the end Zhukov's manager, the bland Chris Markoff, tossed an object into the ring over the refs shoulder, as the ref was in his face yelling at him to get off the apron. Martel and Boris were both down, and Boris never saw this. Martel happened to get up and spot the object, put two and two together, and put it in his own hand. After looking to the crowd for approval, he punched out the recovering Zhukov with the object, much to the glee of the fans. The ref counted the 3, and we had a successful title defense....
....or so we thought. AWA President Stanley Blackburn, noted party-pooper and spoilsport, entered the ring and tattled on Martel, and the ref had no choice but to reverse the decision and give Zhukov the tainted DQ victory. Of course, the belt does not change hands on a DQ, so Martel left the building with his title intact. The crowd was not pleased with this decision of Stanleys.
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Post by grover on Jan 5, 2007 11:46:14 GMT -5
LOL! AVA officials were always spoiling the fun.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Jan 5, 2007 19:33:02 GMT -5
Grover I miss the AVA days ;D
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 10, 2007 9:02:52 GMT -5
Here is even more chicanery from an AWA official, this time referee Buck Zumhofe, better known as "Rock and Roll" Buck Zumhofe, he of the big boom box that heel wrestlers would always take and smash on the ground.
Part of my Bockwinkel comp, I watched a rare bout between Nick Bockwinkel and a then solid fan-favorite Dino Bravo, from 1980!!!
Bravo would have surprised a lot of you. He was still built like a fireplug, but wrestled a very scientific style, aside from some punches he exchanged with Bock. There were a lot of leg vices, abdominal stretches, and rear-naked chinlocks in this one. A lot of time trading hold and counterhold on the mat. The match went 21 minutes, but was never boring to a purist like me. Mean Gene was callilng the action, and at one point gave a shout out to an orthopedist he spent "a couple of days this week" in Fargo, SD. He called him a "noted Orthopod" which I found funny.
Check out this zany ending. Bravo gets Bock in the dreaded airplane spin, then dumps him almost in John Cena fashion, and covers him for the pin. Buck makes the count, but Bock's foot finds the rope at the count of 2. Of course Buck counts 3 anyway, then realizes his mistake as Bravo hops up with his arms raised triumphantly (to very little crowd pop as even a blind fan could see what was happening next). Bravo hops out of the ring, goes to Gene's table, grabs the belt, and hightails it to the back like he has somewhere to get to in a hurry. It was really corny. Rather than take in the joy of the crowd, he ups and leaves, thinking he has won the belt.
Well, Buck explains to Gene that Nick made the ropes, and the match must continue. Gene starts howling into the mic for Bravo to return, but lo and behold he is probably knee deep into a ring rat in the back, and he does not appear. So Buck starts the count, and poor Dino Bravo is counted out and Nick Bockwinkel, that crafty ring veteran, retains his belt.
LOL!
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