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Post by donfrancis on Aug 30, 2006 21:55:55 GMT -5
SO TWICE THIS WEEK I HAVE SEEN UMPIRES OVERTURN CALLS IN A METS GAME.
ON MONDAY, THEY SAID DAVID WRIGHT'S FOUL BALL WAS ACTUALLY FAIR BECAUSE IT HIT 3RD BASE AND HE WAS AWARDED FIRST BASE.
TONIGHT, DAVE WILLIAMS MISSED 3RD BASE WHEN GOING HOME ON A REYES TRIPLE AND THEY REVERSED THE CALL AFTER A QUICK MEETING. WILLIAMS OUT, NO RUN SCORED.
THOUGHTS ON THIS?
IM A BASEBALL TRADITIONALIST, SO DEEP DOWN I DISLIKE IT. BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING THAT THEY ARE MAKING MORE OF AN EFFORT, IT SEEMS, TO GET THE CALLS RIGHT.
I LIKE WHENEVER AN UMP PUTS HIS EGO ASIDE AND SAYS, "HEY, MAYBE IM WRONG, HELP ME OUT HERE."
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Post by MSBNYY on Aug 30, 2006 21:59:38 GMT -5
In each instance, did they get the right result?
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Post by $heriff Tom on Aug 30, 2006 21:59:52 GMT -5
I dont mind when calls are overturned cause an ump asked another arbiter for help. If it ever comes to the point when calls are reversed cause of an instant replay of some sorts, count me outraged. Part of the allure of baseball is the staunch umpire, blowing a call here and there. Adds to the lore. And sometimes you are fucked by the call, and sometimes you are the fucker.
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Post by donfrancis on Aug 30, 2006 22:01:20 GMT -5
YES, IN BOTH CASES THEY DID.
IM WITH U ON THE INSTANT REPLAY TOM EXCEPT FOR ONE THING...FOUL BALLS OR HOMERUNS. I DONT THINK THATS A SWIPE AT THE GRAND OLE GAME.
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Post by MSBNYY on Aug 30, 2006 22:03:13 GMT -5
To me, as traditionalist as I am, I'm always in favor of things like the instant replay. You can't really do it for balls and strikes, but close plays involving safe or out, or as DF said, HRs and foul balls, I'd be in favor.
In both cases, the umps got it right, and I applaud that.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Aug 30, 2006 22:03:40 GMT -5
That I could live with. I would still prefer the eyes on the field doing their best to make the calls, like the umpires of lore, back in the 1880s, watching to see if the ball bounded into the stalks of corn on the fly, or took a bounce just before.
But yes, I am adamently against ever reviewing the proverbial "bang bang play" on the basepaths, or a ball/strike call.
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Post by globix on Aug 31, 2006 0:16:52 GMT -5
Weren't there 2 calls reversed, both against the yankees in the 2003 ALCS? I remember the slap play being reversed after a confab, can't remember the 2nd. I remember being pissed cause I thought the Yanks stole a break, but the calls were correctly reversed.
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Post by MSBNYY on Aug 31, 2006 5:53:49 GMT -5
Why be against reviewing a bang-bang play on the bases though?I never could see the point of defending a wrong call. If a guy is out, he's out. If he's safe, he's safe. If the ump is wrong, and it's easily fixed by a replay (and the camera angles certainly can get right in the action), then I just don't see the reason to be against it. The bottom line is the call is right.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Aug 31, 2006 7:43:14 GMT -5
Because if you are going to put calls up for review, why have an umpire? Why not have a video judge sitting just behind first base waving in his calls with a flag after he watches them on his little screen? Baseball lore is full of tales of blown calls and rhubarbs. Sorry, but human error is part of the game. Fielders flub ground balls, batters forget the count and trot to first after the 3rd ball is called on them, and umpires mess up a call.
The review stylings you speak of takes away the human element.
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Post by MSBNYY on Aug 31, 2006 7:51:10 GMT -5
I guess that's a difference. We still don't have the tech to take umps out of the game. And you still need a human being there. You don't need a replay for every play. I understand that people think that human error is a part of the game, but that's not a GOOD part of the game. It just doesn't make sense to me to get a play wrong when it EASILY could be fixed. Sure, human error is part of the game, but games shouldn't turn on UMPIRE error.
Fielders will still flub plays. Batters will still forget the count and trot to first. But a replay will at least make sure that a game isn't turned because an umpire made a mistake. Mistakes should be limited to players.
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Post by 9 on Aug 31, 2006 8:50:09 GMT -5
I'm in the middle. I fully support some use of replay, but it's got to be limited. I don't want to see a time out called and a replay of a 2-1 pitch because Giambi thought it was outside and it was called a strike. But I also hate seeing games decided by bad calls in crucial situations.
I also would like to see the umps collaborate more if one sees something another missed. The A-Rod slap play was a good example of that: As much as I hated seeing a run get wiped off the board and our momentum go into the pisser, it was absolutely the right call.
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Post by MSBNYY on Aug 31, 2006 9:39:30 GMT -5
Exactly. You can't use it on balls and strikes. It would delay the game far too long and wouldn't be practical.
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