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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 28, 2006 8:05:22 GMT -5
Grover and I were talking about the Tim Hudson trade yesterday. The A's got three scrubs for Hudson, but according to Grover, the key was this guy Dan Meyer, who hasn't done shit in the majors, but may have been a touted prospect at the time.
According to baseball-reference.com, he was drafted in the 1st round, 34th overall.
How is that possible? There are 30 teams. If you get drafted 34th overall, how can it still be the first round?
I'm calling malarky.
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Post by globix on Sept 28, 2006 8:10:18 GMT -5
Sounds like a compensation pick ,otherwise known as a sandwich pick. Technically there in between the first and second round. It's compensation for losing a free agent. As an example, when the Rockies signed Mike Hampton, the Mets got a compensation pick, which they used on David Wright
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Post by 9 on Sept 28, 2006 9:17:35 GMT -5
Hampton for Wright? I'd take THAT trade any day of the week! I just hope Hampton found a good school district for his kids.
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Post by grover on Sept 28, 2006 9:24:25 GMT -5
Yeah, we were trying to figure out how the A's made out with the Hudson/Mulder deals, and it seems they made out well, especially in the Mulder deal.
Baseball drafts are funny.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 28, 2006 9:38:22 GMT -5
Well, they made out well in the MULDER deal, but got their asses handed to them in the Hudson deal.
So it's basically a terminology thing. I thought compensation picks are legit picks. For example, if I have the 19th pick overall, but signed Grover's A list free agent, Grover gets my pick. That's why the Yankees rarely get first round picks.
If there's a round in between the first and second, then screw you, it's the second round.
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Post by grover on Sept 28, 2006 9:53:48 GMT -5
Well, remember, they traded for a prospect at the time for a guy who they could not pay to stay. They used Cruz to get some bullpen help, which never hurts, and Meyer may or may not pan out. Either way it's a risk worth taking. It gts Hudson out the AL, saves the cash they would have had to spend on him, and gets a pitching prospect in return. The A's obviously saw the decline and got the best deal they could at the time. Better to send him away and get something than risk him turning to shit and getting nothing.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 28, 2006 10:02:32 GMT -5
Thing is, I don't know how touted Meyer was. I'm taking your word that he was the key player in the deal. Meyer's stats WERE good at the time. He was a AAA pitcher, and his numbers were worth trading. I think they should have held out for maybe another prospect on that level.
Hudson sucked this year, but he really didn't decline much. Meyer didn't pan out as is often the case with prospects, even sure things. He got to Oakland's system and tanked.
Hindsight is always 20/20, but the A's got clobbered in that deal.
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Post by grover on Sept 28, 2006 10:20:10 GMT -5
Hudson went to the Braves and tanked big time. If he went 16-7 with a low 3 ERA then sure, but him bonking out is probably the main reason they are out of the playoffs for the first time in ages. They traded for him to be the new staff ace, and gave up a quality prospect for it. He was a big name pitcher so at the time Meyer had to have been thought of highly. Since Hudson is pretty much crap now, it's a wash.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 28, 2006 11:36:41 GMT -5
He tanked THIS year. He didn't tank last year. You should always be wary of a pitching prospect that the BRAVES are willing to part with. I wonder how much the loss of Mazzone hurt Hudson. Maybe there was some mechanical flaw that he would have noticed.
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