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Post by $heriff Tom on Oct 1, 2006 9:31:26 GMT -5
Not just Roger Clemens is under the gun this time, but his comrade in arms Andy Pettitte. It will be interesting how all you noted Clemens haters and Pettitte masturbators will handle these charges as they are tossed into the coop together. Blame Jason Grimsley and his rat-list for this. He also notes Jay Gibbons, Miguel Tejada, Brian Roberts (surprise!) and Dave Sequi as offenders. I've grown weary of having to defend [Clemens] from innuendo and conjecture about every six months for the last several years when he's complied with all of the rules and regulations," Randy Hendricks, who represents Clemens and Pettitte, told The Associated Press last night. "Andy is just surprised and stunned, and has no knowledge of any such activity." www.nypost.com/seven/10012006/sports/rog__andy_in_drug_furor_sports_todd_venezia.htm |
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 1, 2006 9:46:39 GMT -5
If it's true, they can both go fuck themselves.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Oct 1, 2006 10:10:13 GMT -5
Well, its coming from Jason Grimsley. I dont think he is the most trustworthy person on Earth. I will need more than this.
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 1, 2006 10:25:27 GMT -5
It's somewhat believable though. Clemens is defying age just like the junkie Bonds. Pettitte did seem to overachieve. Hopefully it's malarky.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Oct 1, 2006 10:29:06 GMT -5
Clemens also spends as much time a day working out in the offseason as most of us do at our desks at work. Everyone who knows him calls him a workout maniac. Those guys tend to stay durable. You going to call Nolan Ryan a druggie, too?
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 1, 2006 12:39:12 GMT -5
Nolan Ryan was a freak of nature. Workout maniac or not, he's still old. Not saying it's 100 percent certain, but you never know.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Oct 1, 2006 13:16:40 GMT -5
Nolan Ryan was a freak of nature
Clemens may be as well.
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 1, 2006 13:58:27 GMT -5
Maybe. But this allegation suggests maybe not.
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Post by globix on Oct 1, 2006 22:16:48 GMT -5
Clemens incessant tweaks, pulls, and strains made me believe he was a juicer long ago. Pettitte, I'd be shocked. I wouldn't equate his elbow woes to steroids. maybe Jesus told him he needed to shoot himself in the ass to be a better Christian.
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 2, 2006 8:08:44 GMT -5
The bottom line is that one of the many problems with the steroid issue and baseball's weak steroid policy is that it becomes possible for some sort of witch hunt. Innocent people will likely be accused too.
It's not as obvious with those guys as it is with Bonds. Clemens MAY indeed be that freak of nature. Bonds physically changed dramatically. If you're a Batman fan, Bonds was like Bane.
It was so unnatural what happened to him, and no one becomes a super power hitter in his LATE 30s.
Clemens went from a top level pitcher in Boston/Toronto to a good number 3 here. He did NOT dominate in a Yankee uniform. Never did. Pettitte, while always good, never dominated either. Clemens left for Houston and dominated again.
Clemens didn't PITCH like a junkie here. He declined, like older pitchers do. Did he take juice in Houston? His numbers improved dramatically there, which makes you suspect, but at the same time, he moved to an easier league. Plenty of other pitchers made the jump from the AL to the NL and pitched better.
Plenty of pitchers made the jump from the NL where they were dominating and tanked (see Randy Johnson).
Pettitte was an overachiever. That's really the only reason to suspect him. He went to Houston and didn't do so well while being plagued with injury.
So while I do think it's POSSIBLE that these guys used, it's not necessarily true, and I need more than Jason Grimsley's word and what has been provided so far.
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Post by BigAl115 on Oct 2, 2006 11:10:34 GMT -5
"Clemens left for Houston and dominated again"...yeah, but another big factor id that he moved to the national league
I wouldn't be surprised if it were proven that Clemens juiced.....It would be ashame that such a stellar career gets tainted like that ...even if he only did it for a year or two...
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Post by globix on Nov 2, 2006 1:59:43 GMT -5
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 2, 2006 6:46:55 GMT -5
A lousy pitcher too. He cheated and STILL sucked.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 2, 2006 8:54:52 GMT -5
I'm sure Mike Piazza is having a laugh somewhere.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Dec 3, 2006 0:38:50 GMT -5
An interesting rant against those staunch media members who are avidly putting the kibosh on McGwire's chances of getting into the Hall anytime soon. Pasted this off of hardballtimes.com, a fantastic resource. For the record, I would not vote for McGwire myself.
had thoughts of building an hypocrisy detector along the lines of Professor Frink’s sarcasm detector, but every time I tried to even draw up the plans the paper did a fairly impressive imitation of Thich Quang Duc.
For the life of me I couldn’t understand why. Then I logged on to the web and started reading articles from writers who say they will not vote for Mark McGwire because of his suspected steroid use.
Uh huh.
Mark McGwire was part of an era, an era that happened with owners, general managers, managers, agents, the MLBPA and the media acting as willing accomplices. The Yankees struck a steroid clause that could void the deal on Jason Giambi’s massive contract. Teams offered major money to these juiced-up behemoths to put runs of the board. The MLBPA fought tooth and nail to protect players ‘right’ to take steroids. Managers never invoked the ‘probable cause’ provision in the labour agreement to have a player tested for performance enhancing drugs. Agents gleefully cashed commission checks from their ‘roided up clients. The media saw the players balloon up in a way they never saw major leaguers before and saw unprecedented performances. They were in the locker room. They saw the body acne and other physical symptoms characteristic of steroid use.
Heck, when I was in high school in the 1980s we knew if a guy was juicing. It wasn’t hard to tell.
The media either knew, chose not to know, or were too bloody stupid and blind to notice.
They could’ve blown the whistle but guess what? To do that would’ve risked backlash, access, and their relations with players. They chose to wimp out and not do their jobs and report.
Now that they don’t have to face these players any more and answer to them for what they write, now they’re acting like tough guys, standing up to protect the integrity of the game and saying there’s no way they’d vote a “cheater” into the Hall of Fame. It’s like bad-mouthing the class bully two years after he’s moved 3,000 miles away.
You had the chance to take your stand at the time and you chickened out. You lauded the guy despite your suspicions about his accomplishments. How many times did you write that was McGwire a “legend” and a “Hall-of-Famer?" Now that somebody else did your job and blew the whistle you feel comfortable enough to get all indignant?
If any member of the BBWAA during the last 15 years accepts any kind of journalistic award including the Ford Frick Award after voting “no” on McGwire due to steroids, then he is a first-class, cowardly hypocrite.
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