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Nov 21, 2006 14:05:21 GMT -5
Post by jwmcc on Nov 21, 2006 14:05:21 GMT -5
Justin Morneau of the Twins!
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Nov 21, 2006 14:14:46 GMT -5
Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 21, 2006 14:14:46 GMT -5
lol
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Nov 21, 2006 14:20:34 GMT -5
Post by MSBNYY on Nov 21, 2006 14:20:34 GMT -5
Jeter deserved it, but there have been far worse decisions with this award. It's also hard to judge Jeter without seeing him every day. You can't complain about a guy who put up those numbers, for a playoff team, getting that award.
It's not like Mariano with last year's Cy Young or Mattingly in 1986.
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Nov 21, 2006 14:24:37 GMT -5
Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 21, 2006 14:24:37 GMT -5
It's also hard to judge Jeter without seeing him every day.
I am sure Twins fans can say the same thing about Morneau.
Its funny to hear how some people talk about Jeter like he is baseballs "best kept secret." The Yankees are on national television games of the week and a bigger drawing card on the road than anyone. People ARE seeing Jeter, and are quite aware of what he can do.
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Nov 21, 2006 14:26:41 GMT -5
Post by mac0822 on Nov 21, 2006 14:26:41 GMT -5
It simply boils down to "valuable" when it comes to MVP as far as I'm concerned. Was Morneau more valuable (led to their success)to the Twins than Jeter to the Yanks? It's a no brainer.
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Nov 21, 2006 14:34:51 GMT -5
Post by MSBNYY on Nov 21, 2006 14:34:51 GMT -5
A game of the week once a month is hardly enough to see what Jeter brings to the team.
And Mac's right. It was a no brainer. Jeter was more valuable. He didn't have a significant slump all year. He played gold glove level defense. He carried the team when over 60 HR and 200 RBI went on the DL.
Morneau had the batting champion on his team and the Cy Young winner.
Morneau had a great year and you can't say he didn't deserve it though. But Jeter deserved it more.
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Nov 21, 2006 14:38:41 GMT -5
Post by jwmcc on Nov 21, 2006 14:38:41 GMT -5
Game of the week once a month?
This isn't 1986.
The Yankees are on ESPN at least 20 times a year on weeknights/Sunday nights. On FOX Saturday baseball another five or six times at least. Don't forget alot of baseball fans now have the Extra Innings package.
And not for nothing, but Jeter has played 11 full seasons, I think the media and fans around the country have an idea what the guy brings to the table. Jw
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Nov 21, 2006 14:41:45 GMT -5
Post by MSBNYY on Nov 21, 2006 14:41:45 GMT -5
That's a small sample of what the guy does. And you're simply wrong about people having an idea. Even at 20 times a year, which I think is a very high estimate, that's 15 percent of the season, which is not enough to appreciate what Jeter does.
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Nov 21, 2006 14:45:48 GMT -5
Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 21, 2006 14:45:48 GMT -5
Check out Balls with the sour grapes. Hey, can we get some cheese with that whine?
I guess we need to strap the average baseball fan to a chair and make him watch every inning Jeter is on the field, so they finally get it.
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Nov 21, 2006 14:45:51 GMT -5
Post by grover on Nov 21, 2006 14:45:51 GMT -5
Right, because no one appreciates or has seen what one of the most popular players in the game over the last decade did this year.
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Nov 21, 2006 14:54:30 GMT -5
Post by kingdzbws on Nov 21, 2006 14:54:30 GMT -5
Derek Who??
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Nov 21, 2006 14:55:02 GMT -5
Post by MSBNYY on Nov 21, 2006 14:55:02 GMT -5
Check out the old "self hating Yankee fan" gag.
There are no sour grapes. But I also know what Jeter is, and if you don't watch him everyday, you cannot see how great the guy is.
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Nov 21, 2006 14:57:46 GMT -5
Post by grover on Nov 21, 2006 14:57:46 GMT -5
Says the guy judging Soriano today based on what he did 3 years ago and Juan Pierre based on seeing little to none of his play.
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Nov 21, 2006 15:02:12 GMT -5
Post by MSBNYY on Nov 21, 2006 15:02:12 GMT -5
Nothing has changed with Soriano other than one career year. Are you going to try the intangible argument with Soriano, who has none?
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Nov 21, 2006 15:09:54 GMT -5
Post by grover on Nov 21, 2006 15:09:54 GMT -5
Yeah, only Yankees have intangibles.
Now that Morneau won I hope him and Soriano beat Jeter up in an alley and pint Yankee stadium Mets and Red Sox colors.
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Nov 21, 2006 15:11:45 GMT -5
Post by 9 on Nov 21, 2006 15:11:45 GMT -5
Jeter not winning the 2006 MVP was punishment for a certain purple-lipped pole-smoking overrated bum third baseman undeservingly winning the 2005 MVP.
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Nov 21, 2006 15:16:09 GMT -5
Post by MSBNYY on Nov 21, 2006 15:16:09 GMT -5
I didn't say only Yankees have intangibles. I'm saying Soriano is an overrated player.
And Jeter can beat up Soriano and Morneau.
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Nov 21, 2006 15:24:02 GMT -5
Post by 9 on Nov 21, 2006 15:24:02 GMT -5
Nah, he'd be too busy laughing with A-Fraud during the brawl.
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Nov 21, 2006 15:24:57 GMT -5
Post by MSBNYY on Nov 21, 2006 15:24:57 GMT -5
Jeter would send Tino Martinez to take care of his light work. Tino would kick them both in the balls.
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Nov 22, 2006 8:39:54 GMT -5
Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 22, 2006 8:39:54 GMT -5
This is funny. In the POST they quizzed the proverbial "man on the street" in regards to what they feel is a total shafting of Jeter. Some hosebag, a bartender at Mickey Mantles of all places, is NOT in the Jeter camp. She must find Morneau handsome.
This'll get a burr in a few britches..
"I didnt think he deserved it. As the captain of the team, I thought he should have played a bigger role. He has to motivate the team, and he fell short, especially in the playoffs."
Folks, that would be Morgan Finegan, a waitress/bartender at the Micks. Go down there and give her the old wherewithall.
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Nov 22, 2006 9:00:34 GMT -5
Post by MSBNYY on Nov 22, 2006 9:00:34 GMT -5
We should send like 20 people down there to give her the riot act--one person at a time. Finger waving is a must.
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Nov 22, 2006 9:17:35 GMT -5
Post by mac0822 on Nov 22, 2006 9:17:35 GMT -5
Where is Jeter's leadership when guys are destroying ARod? Isn't it the captains job to stick up for him?
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Nov 22, 2006 9:35:54 GMT -5
Post by MSBNYY on Nov 22, 2006 9:35:54 GMT -5
The captain's job is to lead by example. Jeter did that. And the team won despite losing both corner OFers.
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Nov 22, 2006 10:14:59 GMT -5
Post by jwmcc on Nov 22, 2006 10:14:59 GMT -5
"I look at all the numbers and what I see first hand. Morneau is the heart of that team and had a lot of clutch hits. Take him out of the lineup and that team is in the middle of the pack."
"Derek Jeter had nice numbers, but you could plug another guy in that lineup and that guy would have close to his numbers".-Joe Cowley, White Sox beat writer.
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Nov 22, 2006 10:22:02 GMT -5
Post by MSBNYY on Nov 22, 2006 10:22:02 GMT -5
Sounds like White Sox beat writer Joe Cowley didn't watch Jeter at all this season. Take Morneau out of the lineup and you have the batting champion and Cy Young winner on the same team.
Jeter's numbers are NOT easily replaceable--and he plays a Gold Glove SS.
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Nov 22, 2006 10:34:04 GMT -5
Post by grover on Nov 22, 2006 10:34:04 GMT -5
Balls, I love how you are trying to make it seem that the Yanks would have no one to fall back on if Jeter was out the line up. It's not like Cano, Arod, Giambi, Abreu, Damon, and Posada are sitting on their hands. I mean, give me a fucking break. We lost Matsui and Sheff and we didn't miss a beat.
Take Morneau out the line up and Mauer is not the batting champ, sorry. Last year Mauer was ok numbers at best, and Morneau was still finding his feet. Morneau turns it on this year, and it had a ripple effect in the line up. After a softball game, Justin, Steve and myself sat in a bar drinking beer and watching the Yanks play the Tigers. They showed the Central standings and we all had a chuckle at the struggling Twins, and we all alughed that they had NO ONE in the line up that scared us. Then, Morneau begins to turn it on, and the Twins begin to win.
It's not that people didn't watch Jeter, it's that you didn't watch Morneau.
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Nov 22, 2006 10:46:37 GMT -5
Post by MSBNYY on Nov 22, 2006 10:46:37 GMT -5
Grover--Cano was out for 6 weeks. ARod can't hit in the clutch. Damon was hurt all year and was never capable of carrying a team, Abreu didn't show up until late July, Posada is solid, but hardly an MVP level player, and Giambi hit .230 for 5 months. Jeter was the straw that stirred the drink.
As you just noticed, Morneau turned it on. For over 2 months of the season, he sucked. On June 8, Morneau was still hitting .just .235.
Then he turned it on big time. Jeter was great all year from day one.
And to say Mauer doesn't win the batting title without him is ridiculous. When Morneau was hitting .235, Mauer was at .379. Mauer didn't need Morneau to be hot to hit .347.
And of course Santana was working on a Cy Young season.
Jeter got ripped off. It's ok to say that. You are not a more intelligent baseball fan because you fail to acknowledge an anti-Yankee bias, or the sheer ignorance of the quote that John posted from a guy that actually had a vote.
Being an MVP doesn't mean there aren't other good players on the team. But the contribution Jeter made to the Yanks was a lot more than a 1st baseman who wasn't even the MVP on his own team, let alone in the league.
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Nov 22, 2006 11:08:08 GMT -5
Post by grover on Nov 22, 2006 11:08:08 GMT -5
If there was an anti-Yankee bias, Arod would not have won last year.
Jeter has forever been touted as everything that's good about baseball, and Arod has been looked at as a greedy dick who happens to be one of the best players in the game. Why would writers show bias toward a player they continually slobber with love?
Again, the Twins started winning when Morneau turned it on. He had more clutch hits than Jeter, and more winning hits than Jeter. Would Jeter have been undeserving if he won? Not at all. He was equally as deserving in my opinion, and I would have been fine with either one winning. You're making it seem like it's such a crime, that Jeter was so far and away better, when he wasn't.
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Nov 22, 2006 11:10:30 GMT -5
Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 22, 2006 11:10:30 GMT -5
I agree with Grover. I had no problem with Morneau winning it. He was the only guy I could say that for, aside from Jeter. I made no secret of it going in. Compare the numbers, Balls, you idiot. And I also agree with those that say the Yankees losing Jeter would not NEARLY be as drastic as the Twins losing Morneau would have been.
All this nitpicking aside, hooray for Morneau. The year before he was being looked at as a big dissapointment, who was not living up to his toutings. He was getting killed around baseball for his awfully slow start. Then he found it, and went to town. He deserves this award. Good for him.
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Nov 22, 2006 11:24:01 GMT -5
Post by mac0822 on Nov 22, 2006 11:24:01 GMT -5
Few things...
Where were the Yankee haters when ARod won the MVP over a deserving Ortiz in 2005?
Where were the Yankee haters when Jeter won the Gold Glove with less range than most SS's?
How can anyone say that Morneau meant less to the Twins than Jeter does to the Yanks?
How can you say "we lost our corner OF's & Jeter is why we didn't miss a beat", when there are 5 other all stars that helped that along.
How can you deny that the Yanks win 90+ games without Jeter?
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