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Post by $heriff Tom on Dec 13, 2007 12:37:23 GMT -5
50 game suspensions??? Why? Guys who FAIL DRUG TESTS get 15, idiot.
Plus there is NO PROOF here that these guys took anything that was purchased. Did they? OF COURSE. But there is no PROOF.
LOL at your rantings. And I cant wait to see you doing the Pettitte syringe thing.
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Post by grover on Dec 13, 2007 12:41:05 GMT -5
Can't suspend someone because a trainer said they gave a player steroids. Suspensions are given out with hard evidence from drug testing.
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Post by MSBNYY on Dec 13, 2007 12:41:44 GMT -5
Cut the shit. If they bought it, they used it. At that point, flip the burden of proof to let them prove they DIDN'T use it.
Every player on that list who is active should be punished SEVERELY. None of this pussy wrist slapping malarky.
15 games? Where's the punishment?
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Post by $heriff Tom on Dec 13, 2007 12:42:05 GMT -5
Even if it went so far as Clemens and Pettite signing for packages with this stuff in it, thats not enough cause to suspend. Again, you need to fail a test.
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Post by MSBNYY on Dec 13, 2007 12:43:26 GMT -5
malarky. If they DON'T hit them with 50 game suspensions, then they might as well publicly CONDONE steroid use.
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Post by Bad Mouth Larry on Dec 13, 2007 12:43:37 GMT -5
and folks, thats why i cant read the drivel on this website. 50 games? balls, get a grip. you are so far out. its like youve followed the sport for only 7 years or something.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Dec 13, 2007 12:46:28 GMT -5
How could you suspend these guys for 50 games when you are suspending guys for FAILING DRUG TESTS for 15?
What a retard!
Although I would love to see you handle Damon, Pettitte, Giambi, and Farnsworth all getting 50 game suspensions.
LOL!
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Post by MSBNYY on Dec 13, 2007 12:47:02 GMT -5
Larry--go get high or something. This is a very big deal and should be treated very harshly. Better too be too tough than too lenient. 50 games.
Don't worry though. Selig is a pussy. He won't do shit.
And of course I am in favor of handing out those suspensions to Damon, Giambi, Pettitte, and Farnsworth.
I hope they throw the book at them all. But they won't. No guts.
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Post by grover on Dec 13, 2007 12:48:16 GMT -5
So going by that if a cop pulls me over and the person who's in my passenger seat tells me they bought me beer I'm driving drunk?
We have no details of this report other than names named. Be serious. We have to see the details of this report first.
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Post by kingdzbws on Dec 13, 2007 12:48:57 GMT -5
Whoa, whoa, wait a minute.....it doesn't work that way. THEY gotta PROVE the drugs were used, you know that quite well.
IF any of these guys get suspended it'll be due to drugs in the blood. Not some jerky's assertions. NO PROOF. NO PUNISHMENT.
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Post by MSBNYY on Dec 13, 2007 12:49:53 GMT -5
Not the same analogy. If you get caught purchasing steroids, you really think that's not proof that you TOOK them? What do you think happened, they used it to water their plants?
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Post by BoxSeatsSuck on Dec 13, 2007 12:50:41 GMT -5
How can you be held responsible for something that was done in the past. You all know DAMN well that theys fuckin dickbags are being tested at least 2 times a week (for the high profile abusers - J. Giambi and B.Bonds) All of this shit is heresay until 2pm when the real list comes out.
MLB will have a press conference afterwards essentially shaking the hand and sucking the dick of Mitchel for a wonderful job he did... then he will try and impose actions towards the people that are 1- still alive 2-still playing. Players union will get involved and the end of the day its going to be a hugs smack on the wrist , kick in the ass and concluded with "NOTHING TO SEE HERE KEEP IT MOVING"
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Post by Bad Mouth Larry on Dec 13, 2007 12:53:10 GMT -5
Larry--go get high or something. This is a very big deal and should be treated very harshly. Better too be too tough than too lenient. 50 games. Don't worry though. Selig is a pussy. He won't do shit. And of course I am in favor of handing out those suspensions to Damon, Giambi, Pettitte, and Farnsworth. I hope they throw the book at them all. But they won't. No guts. hey asshole. go read the collective bargaining agreement. you cant suspend a player at all unless they fail a drug test. nonetheless for 50 fuckin games. you are a clown. you make this board unbearable. and you give us all a bad name by having no clue about baseball except how to be a yankee mark. thanks for playin.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Dec 13, 2007 12:53:59 GMT -5
Balls, even if your assertion made sense (which it doesnt) - they will not suspend people for 45 more games for "buying them" than they would the people they suspend for "testing positive for using them."
Idiot.
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Post by Bad Mouth Larry on Dec 13, 2007 12:54:16 GMT -5
Larry--go get high or something. This is a very big deal and should be treated very harshly. Better too be too tough than too lenient. 50 games. Don't worry though. Selig is a pussy. He won't do shit. And of course I am in favor of handing out those suspensions to Damon, Giambi, Pettitte, and Farnsworth. I hope they throw the book at them all. But they won't. No guts. i GUARANTEE had jeter, mo, posada and melky been on the list msb wouldnt be calling for 50 game suspensions.
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Post by grover on Dec 13, 2007 12:56:06 GMT -5
Not the same analogy. If you get caught purchasing steroids, you really think that's not proof that you TOOK them? What do you think happened, they used it to water their plants? Being caught buying steroids and someone saying they gave someone steroids is not the same thing. There are a lot of things flying around that this is going to be a cluster fuck of a report. You also have to take in consideration to when the steroids were given, who is saying they are giving it, if there is proof that there was an exchange, ect. You can't throw the book at them based on this alone. We have wait for details to come out.
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Post by MSBNYY on Dec 13, 2007 12:57:07 GMT -5
You would be wrong. I'm very glad they aren't. If O'Neill was on the list, I'd be throwing my O'Neill shirt in the trash today.
And of course you can be responsible for things done in the past. You cheated. Plain and simple. Everyone on that list is a cheater and should be treated as such. Best interests of baseball.
If they don't give them a harsh penalty, then I hope Congress comes down hard on baseball.
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Post by Bad Mouth Larry on Dec 13, 2007 13:00:49 GMT -5
get a grip balls. what should they do in 2003? take away our al pennant? cause boone was a cheater. we all know he NEVER hits that homerun without hgh running through his veins. 50 game suspension? how about we hang him instead? you are clueless.
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Post by MSBNYY on Dec 13, 2007 13:03:28 GMT -5
You can say the same thing about 2004 since Damon and Varitek are on that list. You can't take away results of games. You can't punish teams and fans. You can punish individuals. Take away their records and suspend them 50 games.
The Black Sox were acquitted in court. Still banned for life. The best way to clean something up is to hit it hard and head on.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Dec 13, 2007 13:05:35 GMT -5
KNOBLAUCH AND MIKE STANTON CONFIRMED ON THE LIST.
ITs a Yankee day!
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Post by Bad Mouth Larry on Dec 13, 2007 13:05:37 GMT -5
so lets suspend everyone and watch aaa players play in the majors next year because beleive you me, there are more mlb players who have used steroids than there are who have not.
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Post by kingdzbws on Dec 13, 2007 13:06:01 GMT -5
Your buggin, Marc. Unless possession of Steroids or HGH, or whatever is illegal, there will NOTHING done. There is NO WAY to prove that ANYONE (except Giambi) actually ingested anything.
SHAME is the only punishment Baseball can muster.
AND IF PAULIE is guilty, I'd like to see a pic of you tossing his jersey out.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Dec 13, 2007 13:07:00 GMT -5
Balls wrestling has more reality then your stance here........Nothing can be done here......
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Post by $heriff Tom on Dec 13, 2007 13:07:53 GMT -5
They will never remove numbers from the books. There is even a logistical question on it. If you take away Bonds home runs, you need to remove them from pitcher ledgers too. If Bonds did not hit the home run, Jason Schmidt should not have that home run on his 'given up' count.
It goes on and on.
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Post by MSBNYY on Dec 13, 2007 13:09:06 GMT -5
Marc--if O'Neill is on the list, and you want, I will save the shirt and toss it out in front of you with a camera handy. And Larry, yeah, it would suck, but sometimes you have to be harsh to get the goal done.
I hope that they don't blow this off. That may happen. But sorry, if you're on this list, you are now presumed to be a user unless you can prove otherwise. Burden of proof shifted.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Dec 13, 2007 13:10:42 GMT -5
Fat Man Francesa just nailed it on the head the only reason for this report and list is so that MLB can "show" Congress and the public that they are attempting to do something about it and so that Congress will get off their back and not mess with anit-trust and the like.......
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Post by thecaptain15 on Dec 13, 2007 13:11:09 GMT -5
Balls if the shirt is in good shape and is XXL I'll take it....
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Post by MSBNYY on Dec 13, 2007 13:12:49 GMT -5
The shirt is in decent shape, but not your size. And O'Neill's not on the list as far as I know.
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Post by grover on Dec 13, 2007 13:13:19 GMT -5
And nothing will be done.
We don't even know what the criteria is to be on the list.
MacGwire was taking Andro(probably the least of what he was taking) before it was illegal. What if details come out that someone bought Andro back before it was put on the list of illegal steroids? We need details first.
Balls, stop trying to be all Judge Landis swinging the gavel around above your head. For all we know this could be a total fucking crock of shit run report.
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Post by jwmcc on Dec 13, 2007 13:13:38 GMT -5
Speaking of MMD, I'm listening to it now and one of the commercials they play right after the opening segment is for a store in Queens that sells "natural" performance enhancing substances..
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