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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 18, 2008 17:23:28 GMT -5
This is not necessarily my speed, as my relationship with rap is pretty nondescript. Although, I must say I grew up listening to "urban music" and the Sugar Hill Gang was some of the first stuff I learned to sing along to. But, by all means, feel free to chime in. Worst of all? Vanilla Ice, not surprisingly. MC Hammer (once a batboy for the A's and Rickey Henderson's gofer in Oakland) rang in at #2. And the guy from "Beverly Hills 90210" is your #3! new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/listoftheday/2977/the-25-worst-rappers-of-all-time
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Post by Chris on Apr 18, 2008 18:06:31 GMT -5
HAHAHA! Before even clicking on it, I just KNEW that Dee Dee Ramone had to be on that list!
I'm surprised that there were no honorable mentions for Joan Jett with her track "Black Leather."
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Post by rlm6370 on Apr 18, 2008 18:58:30 GMT -5
What a surprise at #1, totally unexpected
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 18, 2008 19:07:03 GMT -5
One of the more jolly asides to the whole Vanilla Ice aura was the chick rapper on "The White Rapper Show" who lived, breathed, ate, and slept Vanilla Ice. She talked of him like he was a diety. That caused many a snicker and a smirk.
Anyone hear the latest Vanilla Ice stuff? I have not, but I heard he was rapping to rock guitars, and taking a stab at vintage Kid Rock sorta fare.
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Post by Chris on Apr 18, 2008 19:35:25 GMT -5
My friend, a GOOD friend (GOOD as in we were once very tight, but geography and years has allowed the friendship to lapse) as a matter of fact, played drums for Vanilla Ice for some years in the recent past.
As a matter of fact, the rumor is that Vanilla basically co-opted his whole new edgy "alternative" look from my buddy....supposedly.
Now he drums for some band called ...uhhhhhh...hold on, it's coming to me....Opiate For The Masses. I couldn't tell you if they're any good or not because all I've ever heard from them are his drum solos.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 18, 2008 19:52:31 GMT -5
I've heard of the band Opiate For The Masses. But I cant even tell you the genre of tune they play.
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Post by 9 on Apr 19, 2008 10:12:05 GMT -5
Biz Markie should have been on this list, probably No. 1, solely for that God-forsaken miserable "Just a Friend" song.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 19, 2008 11:45:35 GMT -5
Indeed. I am sure that song made him many enemies.
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Post by rlm6370 on Apr 19, 2008 13:05:23 GMT -5
Indeed. I am sure that song made him many enemies. So what, it made a lot of money and he also did "Vapors" which gives him a pass in my book
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Post by grover on Apr 19, 2008 13:10:20 GMT -5
Gets him a pass? I have a Biz Markie shirt and the first thing they do is sing You got What I Need. In fact, I'm going to wear it to the bar tonight.
That was his gag, his raps were comedy. He was the Tom Waits/Frank Zappa of hip hop.
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Post by Chris on Apr 19, 2008 16:11:05 GMT -5
Whoa Whoa Whoa...wait a minute. I get where you're going with that Grover....but Tom Waits? Frank Zappa? No! No no no no no.
Tow Waits and Frank Zappa were incredibly innovative, creative people. Biz Markie may have been the clown prince of rap, but he certainly wasn't anywhere near as meaningful to his genre as Tom Waits and Frank Zappa were to theirs.
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Post by Ms. Jericho on Apr 20, 2008 10:30:44 GMT -5
I have to say I probably appreciate "bad rap" more than "good rap." Bad rap is at least funny. Good rap I just don't "get." With the exception of some old school stuff.
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Post by grover on Apr 20, 2008 12:52:01 GMT -5
Sure he's comparable. Maybe not in every detail, but Waits and Zappa are a hoot, and so was the Biz. While they are innovative in their respective fields, the comparison with Biz is putting out quality tunes and not taking themselves too seriously at the same time. Not many did that in Hip Hop, and Biz was one of those guys.
The Biz is pretty much beloved. You guys are kinda off here.
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Post by Domi on Apr 20, 2008 17:49:23 GMT -5
Fuck that, I'm gonna vouch for Northern State.
And where's the Seventh Floor Crew? (http://www.myspace.com/seventhfloorcrew)
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Post by Chris on Apr 21, 2008 10:53:33 GMT -5
I'm with Mrs. Kennedy on her assessment of rap music.
I'm like Tom Hanks in the board room in the movie Big...when a new Jay-Z record comes out and the critics are hailing it as genius, I'm raise my hand and say, "Uhhh, I don't get it."
I like some VERY old school rap music - Run DMC, UTFO, LL Cool J, but anything post Fab Five Freddy being the ONLY host of Yo MTV Raps is completely lost on me.
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Post by Chris on Apr 22, 2008 0:04:02 GMT -5
I wonder why 2 Live Crew didn't make this list. They sucked ass.
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Post by 9 on Apr 22, 2008 10:50:16 GMT -5
2 Live Crew was the ultimate one-trick pony.
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Post by crazilyz on Apr 22, 2008 14:40:07 GMT -5
I like some VERY old school rap music - Run DMC, UTFO, LL Cool J, but anything post Fab Five Freddy being the ONLY host of Yo MTV Raps is completely lost on me. I'm with you on that one. I made a reference to a coworker of mine the other day about that "I Got it Made" song by Special Ed. My worst rapper contributions will include some one hit wonders including The Boogie Boys and Kris Kross. I just couldn't get into MC Lyte.
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Post by crazilyz on Apr 22, 2008 14:42:52 GMT -5
Biz Markie should have been on this list, probably No. 1, solely for that God-forsaken miserable "Just a Friend" song. I heard a remix of "Just a Friend" which included some moaning in the background...a janitor at Hofstra played the bejesus out of that song. Biz Markiw messed up with "Nobody Beats the Biz" and "Making Music With Your Mouth."
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Post by crazilyz on Apr 22, 2008 14:45:33 GMT -5
I wonder why 2 Live Crew didn't make this list. They sucked ass. When "Banned in the USA" came out, I had a write a review for the school paper...500 words on how offensive and sucky the album was.
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Post by Chris on Apr 22, 2008 15:06:53 GMT -5
Was it hard to stop at 500?
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Post by crazilyz on Apr 22, 2008 15:51:40 GMT -5
Was it hard to stop at 500? It was hard to come up with 500. One of the nuns in my high school said "conciseness is a virture" but I needed more than "I got this for free and I'm glad I didn't pay for it."
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Post by grover on Apr 22, 2008 16:24:39 GMT -5
If you guys have been out the loop for a good 20+ years it's best this topic fades, no?
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 22, 2008 17:37:40 GMT -5
Hey, I enjoy the act but the Lordz of Brooklyn have to get some un-love from anyone who has heard them, no?
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Post by Chris on Apr 22, 2008 22:51:14 GMT -5
Special Ed was good. I also like The Redhead Kingpin.
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Post by Chris on Apr 23, 2008 0:47:15 GMT -5
I actually think the women rappers were MUCH better back in the day....Roxanne Shante, The Real Roxanne, MC Lyte, Salt N Pepa (back in the "I'll Take Your Man" days)....I'll take them any day over the Foxy Browns and Lil Kims of today's scene.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 24, 2008 18:41:00 GMT -5
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Post by Chris on Apr 25, 2008 10:23:19 GMT -5
Yes ineedy, very much a House of Pain ripoff. And Run DMC wants their wardrobe back 20 years later.
You know what though...if I were in my late teens, early 20s, young dumb and "full of cvm" so to speak, AND a white hip-hop fan, I bet I'd be all over that shit. It's good gimmick.
The funny thing to me is, not only did that seem like an HOP ripoff, BUT they're more recent offerings (as evident from another YouTube clip "Where do gangsters go to die" and the theme song to The Brooklyn Way) are even a ripoff of the latest House Of Pain member Everlast's stuff (see "Whitey Ford Sings The Blues).
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 25, 2008 12:34:14 GMT -5
Yes ineedy, very much a House of Pain ripoff
That stuff I posted above was from the mid-90s. When was House of Pain rolling along? Seems to me they were running concurrently.
They are actually friends with Everlast. They got into hip-hop by promoting shows in Brooklyn as kids, and having a bit of a coup in lining up Public Enemy for one of them.
This will get you mad, too - they actually do a lot of work and hanging with the dude from Rancid, as well.
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Post by Chris on Apr 25, 2008 12:42:06 GMT -5
Well, as I said in the What Are You Listening To thread...I'm not a big Rancid guy, at all (although I really like Tim Armstrong's ska album, and I was an Operation Ivy fan - OpIvy was basically a punk-ska band that went through some lineup changes and changed their name to Rancid).
I wanna say that House of Pain was early 90s. 1992 was when they had their hit (vh1.com).
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