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Post by rlm6370 on Apr 28, 2008 13:15:12 GMT -5
Well how long he stay out this time
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 28, 2008 13:22:59 GMT -5
Well, I heard he was stepping down, but his hair was going to stay on the job through at least next season.
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Post by rlm6370 on Apr 28, 2008 13:35:50 GMT -5
Well, I heard he was stepping down, but his hair was going to stay on the job through at least next season. his hair could out coach alot of coaches in the NBA |
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Post by thecaptain15 on Apr 28, 2008 13:44:53 GMT -5
He'll be back once they are good again and in championship contention.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 28, 2008 13:47:17 GMT -5
Maybe he is going back to the Knickerbockers.
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Post by rlm6370 on Apr 28, 2008 13:53:51 GMT -5
Maybe he is going back to the Knickerbockers. Get the fax machine ready  |
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Post by Chris on Apr 28, 2008 18:43:41 GMT -5
No chance. Riles wants to inherit teams ready to win only.
One of the most overrated head-coaches in professional sports history.
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Post by rlm6370 on Apr 28, 2008 18:53:29 GMT -5
No chance. Riles wants to inherit teams ready to win only. One of the most overrated head-coaches in professional sports history. Just like Phil Jackson is overrated also. Do you even see what he won with when coaching the Knicks. |
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Post by Chris on Apr 28, 2008 19:09:22 GMT -5
OK, well this is just my opinion but....
I think I could have coached the Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Scott Lakers to all of those rings. That team was championship ready when Westhead left.
The mid 90s Knicks were probably one of the most hard-luck stories in the NBA. If not for 23, the Knicks probably make multiple appearances in the Finals...again Riles inherited an upper echelon team.
His ring with the Heat is a joke....at least in terms of HIS input on that ring.
I don't dispute that Phil Jackson is overrated, but here's where I won't agree with you...while Phil may be overrated, Tex Winter isn't. Jordan played on quality teams that didn't run the triangle and he has no rings to show for it. Shaq and Kobe played on teams that didn't run the triangle and have no rings to show for it.
I think Rudy T, Popovich, Larry Brown....hell I think George Karl could coach circles around Riles and Jackson.
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Post by rlm6370 on Apr 28, 2008 20:07:20 GMT -5
OK, well this is just my opinion but.... I think I could have coached the Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Scott Lakers to all of those rings. That team was championship ready when Westhead left. The mid 90s Knicks were probably one of the most hard-luck stories in the NBA. If not for 23, the Knicks probably make multiple appearances in the Finals...again Riles inherited an upper echelon team. His ring with the Heat is a joke....at least in terms of HIS input on that ring. I don't dispute that Phil Jackson is overrated, but here's where I won't agree with you...while Phil may be overrated, Tex Winter isn't. Jordan played on quality teams that didn't run the triangle and he has no rings to show for it. Shaq and Kobe played on teams that didn't run the triangle and have no rings to show for it. I think Rudy T, Popovich, Larry Brown....hell I think George Karl could coach circles around Riles and Jackson. The Knicks improved 12 games in the win coloum his 1st year he took over, plus he made the team better getting Mason and Starks. BTW sometimes what a coach does in the lockerroom is more important them winning and losing on the court why was Westhead fired from the Lakers after winning a title, because he pissed his best player off. He deserves all the credit for the Heat title, he made the trade of Shaq and he picked Wade in the draft., so to say he overrated is just ignorant. |
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Post by Chris on Apr 29, 2008 1:04:40 GMT -5
Saying he is overrated as a coach is NOT ignorant.....especially since both arguments you made promoting his greatness had absolutely ZERO to do with his coaching - coming in the capacity of his GM duties. If you'll recall, although Grunfeld (sp?) was GM, Riley had final veto power on all personnel moves. I made no mention of Pat Riley as a GM. I think he's an overrated coach and a lot of people think the same. As a matter of fact, he made be a kick ass coach, BUT the championship caliber teams he's been blessed with haven't really required any "coaching up" of average players. And honestly, I was HERE (SoCal) in the showtime days, and Pat Riley was a figure head - Magic coached the team on the floor, Magic called the plays on the floor.
You can give Riles all the props you want for the quality Knicks and Heat teams - but those accolades belong to his personnel moves, not his Xs and Os.
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Post by rlm6370 on Apr 29, 2008 8:02:57 GMT -5
Saying he is overrated as a coach is NOT ignorant.....especially since both arguments you made promoting his greatness had absolutely ZERO to do with his coaching - coming in the capacity of his GM duties. If you'll recall, although Grunfeld (sp?) was GM, Riley had final veto power on all personnel moves. I made no mention of Pat Riley as a GM. I think he's an overrated coach and a lot of people think the same. As a matter of fact, he made be a kick ass coach, BUT the championship caliber teams he's been blessed with haven't really required any "coaching up" of average players. And honestly, I was HERE (SoCal) in the showtime days, and Pat Riley was a figure head - Magic coached the team on the floor, Magic called the plays on the floor. You can give Riles all the props you want for the quality Knicks and Heat teams - but those accolades belong to his personnel moves, not his Xs and Os. But he still won, wherever he went and with different types of teams. If John Starks doesn't forget to shot in game 7 he has titles with 3 different teams. Those people that think he's overrated are the same people that think Phil,Red, Pop and any other coach that wins a lot is overrated because he's got great players. |
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Post by Chris on Apr 30, 2008 8:30:21 GMT -5
I don't think Pop is overrated, I don't think for a second that Red Aurbach (sp) is overrated, and I think Phil is overrated and Tex Winter is underrated. I also don't think Larry Brown or Rudy T (two more coaches who won rings with great players...who HASN'T won a ring with great players) are overrated. I think Chuck Daly was a hell of a coach. But Riles, yes indeed. I think Jeff Van Gundy is a much better Xs and Os guy than Riles.
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Post by rlm6370 on Apr 30, 2008 11:05:01 GMT -5
I don't think Pop is overrated, I don't think for a second that Red Aurbach (sp) is overrated, and I think Phil is overrated and Tex Winter is underrated. I also don't think Larry Brown or Rudy T (two more coaches who won rings with great players...who HASN'T won a ring with great players) are overrated. I think Chuck Daly was a hell of a coach. But Riles, yes indeed. I think Jeff Van Gundy is a much better Xs and Os guy than Riles. And where do you think Jeff learned those X's and O's, Riley's coaching tree is pretty good. He's won with different styles of play and that's how you know he's a great coach. Chris were splitting hairs here. |
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Post by Chris on Apr 30, 2008 11:21:44 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm not saying you're wrong. I wouldn't be so stupid as to say that Riles is a BAD coach. I just don't think he's as astute at the job as his record would indicate.
My whole thing about Riles and the Lakers is this - has there really ever been another team where half the roster could have been arguably considered the top 1 or 2 in the league at the position? Magic was by far the best point guard in the league, Kareem was the best all-around center, Coop was the top 1 or 2 defensive player, Worthy was the most athletic forward in the league and drove the lane harder and better than any forward at the time, Byron Scott was arguably the best outside shooter of guard in the league, and Mychael Thompson, the backup center for chrissakes, maintained the highest field-goal percentage in the league for some time. Magic Johnson ran that show and Riles job was basically to placate Magic.
So, Riles has value...I'm not saying he doesn't. He brings a winning culture to an organization. I just think he does this more effectively as a GM than as a coach.
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Post by rlm6370 on Apr 30, 2008 11:52:06 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm not saying you're wrong. I wouldn't be so stupid as to say that Riles is a BAD coach. I just don't think he's as astute at the job as his record would indicate. My whole thing about Riles and the Lakers is this - has there really ever been another team where half the roster could have been arguably considered the top 1 or 2 in the league at the position? Magic was by far the best point guard in the league, Kareem was the best all-around center, Coop was the top 1 or 2 defensive player, Worthy was the most athletic forward in the league and drove the lane harder and better than any forward at the time, Byron Scott was arguably the best outside shooter of guard in the league, and Mychael Thompson, the backup center for chrissakes, maintained the highest field-goal percentage in the league for some time. Magic Johnson ran that show and Riles job was basically to placate Magic. So, Riles has value...I'm not saying he doesn't. He brings a winning culture to an organization. I just think he does this more effectively as a GM than as a coach. I tell you at least down here in Miami, when he came here he gave instant credibility to the team. Plus back to difference a coach makes look at the Pistons when they won the title with Larry Brown and next year they didn't win without him. Same team different coaches |
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