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Post by King98er on May 19, 2009 8:59:54 GMT -5
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Post by MSBNYY on May 19, 2009 9:37:04 GMT -5
I think the WWE should win-ESPECIALLY because it's a Raw event. They booked the event first, and it really seems like a no brainer. That's a very interesting problem.
McMahon has every right to insist on the venue. Even if he moved the show, there's the problem of selling tickets on such short notice. Any costs involved would have to be paid by the arena. McMahon shouldn't lose a penny.
And this could be VERY costly for the people who own the arena if the WWE can't have their event.
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Post by $heriff Tom on May 19, 2009 9:39:46 GMT -5
WWE can NOT win. Its fact, the basketball game will be played in that arena Monday night.
Fact is, anyway, the NBA team is the tenant of the building. This would be like Yankee Stadium booking Bruce Springsteen for a show in October, and then the Yankees end up with a scheduled game that night. So, let me ask you, you say Bruce gets the night?
As to "the event" - in cases like this, they are simply rescheduled for another night, same tickets. This happens more often than you think - the only reason its an issue, is cause a LIVE TV SHOW is planned that night.
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Post by King98er on May 19, 2009 11:51:15 GMT -5
The NBA said that they can't change that game, which I think is BS.
This is ALL the Nuggets fault as they didn't tell the NBA that the areana was already booked. WWE has no plans in changing that date. The trucks are already rolling out to the Pepsi Center. The owner of the Nuggets also own the areana.
This should play out nice. Vince said he isn't budging and will setup in the parking lot if needed.
This could be the last time they ever visit that arena if they don't get that night.
The funny thing is that tickets are still being sold and the event calendar show both events for that night.
The Nuggets really dropped the ball on this one, since WWE already had that place booked since August and signed the contract on the last day of the NBA season.
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Post by MSBNYY on May 19, 2009 11:58:23 GMT -5
If the WWE is forced to move, there will be a hell of a lawsuit. They made the contract first. The NBA team would not have rights over another event unless that is specifically in the contract, and if that was specifically in the contract, this wouldn't be news or a conflict.
You also can't compare a baseball franchise, which actually does have exclusive use to their Stadium, to an arena, which is booked for all sorts of things throughout the year. The Yankees wouldn't be dumb enough to book Bruce anyway, but under the same circumstances, yes, the Yanks would be fucked.
It's simple contract law. Unless the Nuggets have some contractual right, which apparently they don't, the WWE could win this one.
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Post by $heriff Tom on May 19, 2009 12:08:58 GMT -5
Baloo, you're wrong. From the Observer -
While not being said publicly, right now no travel plans within the company have been changed even though they are readily aware they are not going to be able run at the Pepsi Center.
Two different ideas include the less likely one of taping Raw on Saturday night in Salt Lake City at the house show, or the more likely one of taping Raw in Colorado Springs, where they are taping Smackdown the next day. The former guarantees a large crowd, because for the latter, they couldn't put tickets on sale until probably tomorrow. It'll be a problem switching tickets but one would think a good percentage of those who had purchased tickets would be willing to go to Colorado Springs, which is about 70 miles away.
Oh, and part of the kicker is WWE admitted at this point they had only sold 10,000 of 19,000 available seats, so they dont have much of a case regardless...
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Post by MSBNYY on May 19, 2009 12:14:22 GMT -5
10000 tickets is hardly a small number, and a contract is a contract. If Vince wants to be a dick, he can be.
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Post by $heriff Tom on May 19, 2009 12:18:07 GMT -5
He wont be, its bad business.
He cant win this one, he knows that, which is why Raw will be in another arena on Monday night. In the meantime, he is trying to advertise his business by playing blustery promoter.
Next topic please.
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Post by MSBNYY on May 19, 2009 12:20:16 GMT -5
He CAN win this one, because he has the contract. If he moves, make no mistake, the owners of the arena will be paying any costs involved and for any lost profits.
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Post by $heriff Tom on May 19, 2009 12:26:47 GMT -5
No, they wont, and it wont help WWE to get tied up in court over it. As I mentioned, this happens a LOT more than you know - its only an issue this time cause the show planned by WWE is a LIVE - TELEVISED EVENT. If it was not, they would cancel the show, and reschedule for a later open date.
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Post by MSBNYY on May 19, 2009 12:30:24 GMT -5
And the reason they won't cancel the show is because there is a lot more money involved in a live TV show than a house show. It would be much easier to cancel a house show and mitigate the damages. The WWE is not in the wrong here.
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Post by $heriff Tom on May 19, 2009 12:35:34 GMT -5
You're right.....they WONT cancel the show.
They will simply move it.
People who have tickets now can use them for the rescheduled date, trade in at the new arena, or refund. WWE makes the money back with the new venue Monday night.
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Post by MSBNYY on May 19, 2009 12:49:13 GMT -5
If the WWE does not make that same money back, then the people who own the Denver arena will be responsible for the difference, and it is not bad business to protect your legal rights. It IS bad business not to.
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Post by $heriff Tom on May 19, 2009 12:52:41 GMT -5
They will make it up and more. I am listening to a VIP audio right now, to where WWE sources have admitted Vince is "posturing for publicity" and a new venue will probably be announced today.
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Post by MSBNYY on May 19, 2009 12:55:41 GMT -5
IF that's the case, there will be no damages. But if it is not, and there are damages, the Denver arena is responsible.
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Post by thecaptain15 on May 19, 2009 13:47:58 GMT -5
I think it should be settled in the cage.
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Post by King98er on May 19, 2009 15:35:09 GMT -5
MSG, STAPLES Center to Raw's rescue?
Numerous metropolitan venues have reached out to WWE to host Monday Night Raw instead of Detroit's double-booked Pepsi Center.
STAMFORD, Conn. — The Denver debacle that has jeopardized this coming Monday’s edition of Raw in Denver’s Pepsi Center has yielded an outpouring by some of the biggest arenas in the world who have opportunistically offered to host Monday Night Raw live on Memorial Day.
While working to resolve the scheduling conflict between Raw and the Denver Nuggets’ NBA Western Conference Semifinals game against the Los Angeles Lakers, WWE officials have received proposals from numerous venues including Madison Square Garden and, ironically, the STAPLES Center – the home of the Nuggets’ Monday night opponents, the Lakers. In addition to numerous other venues, these major-capacity metropolitan arenas proposed to have WWE’s flagship program emanate from their locations instead of Denver’s double-booked Pepsi Center this coming Monday.
As reported by WWE.com and countless media outlets, officials from both WWE and the Denver Nuggets are still attempting to determine a resolution for the scheduling calamity in Colorado’s capital.
Check back with WWE.com as additional information becomes available on the sold-out edition of Monday Night Raw.
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Post by King98er on May 19, 2009 15:35:48 GMT -5
The Staples Center would be funny but MSG much better! It's been a while since MSG was RAW!!
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Post by IronHorse4 on May 19, 2009 16:27:18 GMT -5
Thing is, who does this hurt more? If it got in to a legal dispute where WWE would force Kroenke's hand in court, I would think that would have the WWE out of the Pepsi Center for quite a while. Might hurt them in Denver -- except they didn't even come close to selling out the place. It would probably hurt the arena more, since having the WWE in there would generate more money for the arena than anything else except the Avs and Nuggets.
In any event, the EC and WC Finals are being played on alternating days, starting tonight. Lakers couldn't start the series on Wednesday, because, as I look at the Staples Center schedule, there is a Taylor Swift concert on Friday. So it appears as though the decision for the NBA's owners was to reschedule a 20,000-ticket sold out concert (and anger concert promoters who bring many shows to the arena...I think she's backed by Disney), or bump a show that has sold half as many tickets for a company that comes to that arena, what, twice, three times a year? No brainer, folks.
Works out for Vince anyway. He was on ESPN holding up a Lakers jersey and saying, "Go Lakers!" He can have his show in Colo Springs and pander to a huge marketing group in Lakers fans at the same time.
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Post by MSBNYY on May 19, 2009 21:44:52 GMT -5
It's all about the money and what is best for Vince.
But WOW, the Staples Center would be VERY funny.
They would totally work that into the show.
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Post by $heriff Tom on May 19, 2009 22:31:42 GMT -5
None of that is happening. They are going to be playing in Colorado Springs, 70 miles out of Denver. WWE has booked a heap of rooms there, although the official announcement has not been made. And, yeah, Vince is mad about the snafu, but insiders say he is also perversely thrilled at the publicity they picked up over it.
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Post by rlm6370 on May 20, 2009 16:53:08 GMT -5
I find it funny the people that come to the defense of the Nuggets. When Hornets had the same problem, for the next ppv would have had to be moved if the Hornets would have a made a longer run in the playoffs, yet they left themselves a what if in the contract they signed with the WWE. The people running the Nuggets just come off stupid and inept.
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Post by $heriff Tom on May 20, 2009 17:06:38 GMT -5
Last thing I read is that the WWE is in fact going to take LA up on their offer. Supposed to be announced in the next couple of hours. The LA / Laker combination really drove that bus.
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Post by sean on May 21, 2009 0:57:14 GMT -5
God damn, Vince sure did get a TON of publicity out of this. It was in every paper I read today, every news/sports website i visited. I can't remember the last time wrestling got this much publicity without a wrestler dying and or killing. This quote shocked me:
McMahon told ESPN. "A good businessman doesn't book a World Wrestling Federation live televised event on Monday night realizing that his team in all likelihood would not make the playoffs."
Vince called it: World Wrestling Federation?
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Post by IronHorse4 on May 21, 2009 7:32:51 GMT -5
Yes he did! I did a double-take when I saw the interview! Couldn't believe it.
The interview was conducted by the host of ESPN's College Football Live, one Jonathan Coachman.
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Post by MSBNYY on May 21, 2009 8:24:33 GMT -5
Did Coach do the Charleston?
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Post by thecaptain15 on May 21, 2009 9:17:59 GMT -5
None of that is happening. They are going to be playing in Colorado Springs, 70 miles out of Denver
I am glad I don't pay for any VIP sites..LOL
Hi Tom!
WWE moves event out of Denver
Vince McMahon claims he's being thrown out. His opponent insists McMahon is the double-crosser.
It'd make a good story line for a wrestling feud -- but it won't take place in Denver.
World Wrestling Entertainment is moving its Monday night show to Los Angeles because of a conflict with the Pepsi Center in Denver, which had booked two events for the same night.
The Nuggets are scheduled to host the Lakers on Monday in Game 4 of the Western Conference finals, but WWE had previously secured the arena for an episode of Monday Night Raw.
The WWE chairman criticized Kroenke Sports, which owns the Nuggets and Pepsi Center, for not being more helpful when the conflict arose over the weekend.
"They bumped us right out of the building, hardly an apology," McMahon said Wednesday. "They didn't do anything for us at all, and the media was talking about someone has to write a check. They didn't want to write anything and they wanted to give us a Sunday night. And the name of the show is Monday Night Raw."
However, Kroenke Sports claims McMahon had previously agreed to a deal to shift the event to Sunday.
"We negotiated in good faith with Vince and believed we had a deal in principal as of Tuesday," Kroenke Sports executive vice president Paul Andrews said. "In fact, it was so clear to us that we did that we asked Vince to do a joint press release. He said, 'Paul, I have no problem with a joint press release.' Then, he asked us if he could get five tickets to the Denver Nuggets' game on Monday night so he could apologize to Mr. Kroenke [Nuggets owner Stan] in person.
"That was Tuesday. We find out by a press announcement today by Vince, who I believe is the master of propaganda, that he's moving the event to the Staples Center. He didn't even contact us to tell us he hadn't accepted the deal we negotiated the night before, so we're quite shocked, frankly."
WWE executive vice president Shane McMahon, at a press conference at Staples Center, said the Kroenke offer came too late.
"They tried to be amicable but we're really at such a loss of words because we were expecting a capacity crowd. Had sold 11,000 as of last week," he said. "We've been on sale since August so everyone knew we were coming. We built everything around it. That's what we do. We promote and build the event."
Vince McMahon said Staples Center called and offered use of its building and that his organization will return to Denver for an event at the Coliseum on Aug. 7. McMahon said many arenas, including Madison Square Garden, called and offered to host Raw. He chose Staples Center, which also was available Tuesday night for its second night of programming.
McMahon said it was important to have Raw be shown live on its normal Monday night slot on USA Network -- where it will go head-to-head against the Nuggets-Lakers game on ESPN. He previously vowed he would hold the event in a parking lot if need be.
McMahon added the Monday show would include a 5-on-5 match pitting "Lakers" against "Nuggets" and his character would likely confront a character of Kroenke, who owns Kroenke Enterprises, in the ring.
But while he said that's entertainment for the fans, he remains angry at Kroenke and the terms he said were requested in the press release to complete an agreement.
"They would not even talk about making a deal other than paying our expenses basically unless we signed some sort of joint press release," McMahon said. "You would not believe what these people were attempting to make us do. I guess maybe running over us and throwing us out unceremoniously on our ear was not good enough. They want to trample us."
WWE said it secured the Pepsi Center last Aug. 15 and had already sold more than 10,000 tickets for the event. The organization said arena officials confirmed the wrestlers were still coming and sent a signed contract on April 15, the last night of the regular season.
Then the double booking was set Sunday, when the Lakers beat Houston in Game 7 to reach the conference finals. Had the Lakers lost, Denver would have had home-court advantage against the Rockets, making the Pepsi Center available for wrestling on Monday.
The conflict has provided some great press for WWE, but McMahon said his preference was to do his show as planned.
"I didn't want this publicity," he said. "They threw me out and so what are we going to do? We have to garner some degree of publicity."
Kroenke Sports said WWE preferred the publicity to a compromise.
"They haven't returned any of our calls for over a 24-hour period since we had what we believed to be an agreement Tuesday night," Andrews said. "We've reached out to them all day for feedback and then we get an announcement they're going to L.A.
"The sensationalism and media attention were more important than the fans of Denver.
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Post by cactusjames on May 21, 2009 11:05:07 GMT -5
I blame the Nuggets too, stupidity all around. Should make for a fun Raw, although the digs at the Nuggets from Raw last Monday were pretty bad. Totally fed to JR from Vince. I hope Vince has some fun at their expense.
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Post by $heriff Tom on May 21, 2009 12:18:25 GMT -5
WWE has already announced a 5 on 5 "Lakers vs Nuggets" match, with the Heels playing the Nuggets and the faces playing the Lakers. They will be wearing the team jerseys, I guess. Corny.
Cap, the same "sub sites' told me that Staples Center was finalized hours before it was announced. They also broke the news of MSG and the Staples Center making inroads. You read that stuff HERE, for free, cause people like us, on those sites.
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Post by MSBNYY on May 21, 2009 12:19:10 GMT -5
I hope half the show is ripping the Nuggets. It could be very funny.
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