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Post by grover on Jan 27, 2007 16:36:40 GMT -5
What's everyone's outlook for the event?
T said the rumor going around is Undertaker getting the win, setting up a match with Batista at Wrestlemania.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 27, 2007 17:22:26 GMT -5
Yeah, true that, and after seeing the way Taker threw guys around the ring on Smackdown, looks like he is primed for it. Thing is, though, he does not need that win to get a shot at Batista...they are already teasing it, and they can simply have Taker issue a challenge. Other favorites right now, for one reason or another, include HBK and Randy Orton.
My darkhorse candidate (who, realistically never had a shot) is stuck in a tag match, and thats Johnny Nitro.
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Post by sancho231 on Jan 27, 2007 18:03:22 GMT -5
I gotta go with HBK. with him possibly turning heel before wrestlemania and the match with Cena.
even though this has no chance of happening i want to see the sandman win the thing.
what i dont get is how ECW is only sending 5 guys no Cm punk love form the E?
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 27, 2007 18:24:13 GMT -5
Seems like they definitely set it up to be either HBK or Undertaker. Even more interesting will be UT's undefeated WM streak.
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Post by grover on Jan 27, 2007 19:25:42 GMT -5
Doubtful it will happen now. If anything, I don't think it will happen at all. It's been going on so long, and he has pull in the back, I can see him always keeping that streak going until the day he retires.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 27, 2007 19:30:39 GMT -5
After all the years he's been on top, the idea of that streak being alive is really good. I don't ever want to see him lose at WM.
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Post by grover on Jan 27, 2007 20:54:36 GMT -5
I'd like it ONLY if it's to put over a huge star that's on the rise. Like a guy with Rock/Stone Cold type potential.
Other than that, it's a nice nod to a hard worker.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 27, 2007 20:55:56 GMT -5
I wouldn't even want that. I don't mind the UT JOBBING to a rising star, but that WM streak is sacred. A rising star can always become a Brock Lesnar too. Just not worthy.
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Post by seaniel on Jan 28, 2007 13:16:16 GMT -5
Well I think that's where the concern lies-Batista is in that rising star category, but he has enough cred to make people (fans and WWE alike) realize he won't turn into a Brock Lesnar-type situation. Though Cena's obviously the top guy for the next couple months or year at the very least, so it may not be worth jeopardizing the streak for someone who still wouldn't be the main man. It gets us talking about it and wondering though, which is certainly their goal.
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Post by grover on Jan 28, 2007 13:30:54 GMT -5
For once, I'm not sure who's going to win the rumble.
Haven't seen that in a while.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 28, 2007 13:32:22 GMT -5
At the same time, Batista doesn't need UT to job at WM to get over.
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Post by globix on Jan 28, 2007 13:42:16 GMT -5
Batista is surpisingly old. Early 40's, I believe. I remember him talking a few years ago about having an 18 year old daughter
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 28, 2007 14:03:32 GMT -5
Yeah, Batista is a bit long in the tooth. He would probably lose a battle with Taker, but it would be a short-lived title change.
No Marcus Cor Von in this thing?
Eh, the projected top 4 matches have been leaked for Mania, and I dont think a lot of you would be too pleased to see em. I will probably start a spoiler alert thread for them.
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Post by grover on Jan 28, 2007 16:08:06 GMT -5
LOL! Uh oh, let's hear it.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 28, 2007 16:56:37 GMT -5
Let me guess Umaga v. Cena.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 28, 2007 17:41:56 GMT -5
We already discussed how that is a match, dummy.
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Post by grover on Jan 28, 2007 17:45:04 GMT -5
If it is Umaga Vs. Cena, expect Undertaker to get the Rumble win, and face win at Wrestlemania. Umaga, chances are, will take the belt from Cena, so I can't see a heel winning tonight and them having two heel title changes.
Then again, I could be totally wrong.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 28, 2007 18:09:57 GMT -5
Umaga v. Cena is actually a reason not to buy WM.
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Post by grover on Jan 28, 2007 19:01:34 GMT -5
There's never a good reason not to buy Wrestlemania. I actually like the idea of him getting the belt, for character nostalgia. If you told me a few years ago, than down the line, in this new attitude sports entertainment era, that a Samoan savage would get a title run, I'd laugh.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 28, 2007 20:03:08 GMT -5
Umaga really sucks.
Maybe the main event of WM will be Umaga v. Test v. MVP in a 3 way dance.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 29, 2007 7:56:56 GMT -5
Overall, a very average PPV. The Rumble is my favorite just because of the Rumble match itself. Otherwise, there was nothing special about the PPV.
The ECW title match was stupid. Test just walks away and gets counted out? This is the best they can do?
The Hardy match went about 10 minutes too long. I don't get why they keep them all on separate brands. There's really no point. Send them all to Smackdown. It's a decent feud.
I like Mr. Kennedy. He's a worthy challenger. I liked how Bradshaw was doing a good Jesse the Body impression when he consistently pointed out how Kennedy was getting screwed and how Cole was being a hypocrite.
I can see why they didn't give Kennedy the belt, but that was a decent match.
One thing about Umaga v. Cena--they finally found an opponent that I like LESS than Cena as champ. That fat slob was awful. So was the match.
Let's think for a second. Estrada is using a big metal tool to loosen the ring to give Umaga a foreign object, which was a big metal tool attached to the ropes. Wouldn't it have been more efficient just to give Umaga the thing he used to loosen the ropes? Plus, I think Umaga screwed up the ending. When Cena choked him out the first time, I believe he was supposed to stay down. But Umaga continued to move and show he was awake, forcing Cena to do the exact same ending twice.
Onto the Rumble itself. Good, but not the best Rumble ever. I think they made a HUGE mistake not having JR announcing the Rumble. He is the best in the business, and I think he would have done a better job than the Smackdown team.
For example, at the end, when it was HBK and UT, they had the nerve to say that these were the two biggest stars in WWE history? Huh? There's a former champ from Venice Beach, CA that would likely dispute that. There's also a currently dead French giant, and a guy with a brother that writes poetry that might disagree.
What a stupid claim. The announcing was not very good during that match.
But a Royal Rumble match is never really bad. It's hard to screw up something like that. The Sandman may be the worst wrestler in the WWE right now. I was glad to see him bounced so quickly. Not sure if it was the record.
It was so obvious from the get go that it would come down to HBK and UT. But for once, it was unclear who would win. Good to see UT take it. He hadn't won the Rumble before, and hopefully, he will keep the WM streak alive. They're doing a good job revitalizing UT.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Jan 29, 2007 8:18:12 GMT -5
Geez..yet again I find myself disagreeing with Balls..lol go figure....Yes Lashley / Test sucked and stunk to high heaven...Vince just kill of ECW already....Hardys/MNM did it's job and was ok for an opener. I couldn't disagree more with Balls on the Cena - Umaga match. I am not a big fan of both but both put on a great show and this was surprisingly a great match (as I wasn't expecting much)..I think Umaga earned his "pinstripes" last night..lol..I thought the Rumble match was very good..of course I was disappointed but not the least bit surprised that most of the ECW guys were treated with little respect and were mostly Rumble "jobbers"....Nice unexpected touch having Finley as the guy who lasted real long. Much to my surprise (especially when his character first started and back to his WCW days) I actually like him and find him entertaining with the DLB. I usually don't order many of these..usually just the biggies such as Rumble, WM and sometimes Summerslam but this was worth it....
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 29, 2007 8:33:57 GMT -5
Umaga didn't earn shit. He's a no talent fat fuck who wrestles like a no talent fat fuck. My hope is that finally, he will move away from the main event picture, and they can move on.
How about Kahli's dominating performance? Oh yeah, it wasn't that dominating. I guess Kahli is Hindu for "headbutt."
The funniest part of the Rumble had nothing to do with the WWE. In the third row, there was a fan with a gigantic afro--a Carlito lookalike. Imagine sitting behind that guy. Every now and then, when the camera was on him, you could see that guy struggling to see. I enjoyed that immensely.
You could imagine the money he paid for those seats.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 29, 2007 8:41:42 GMT -5
Couple of things.
The choke ending was exactly as planned. It showed Umaga as super-tough, that Cena had to choke him out twice to finally put him down. Its a tried and true wrestling tactic. As to the wrench thing, yeah, on the surface it looks dumb that Estrada took apart the rope, but you need to figure that he was also planning on having Umaga choke Cena afterwards, and not the other way around.
The ECW guys, aside from Sandman, did not job out at the Rumble. In fact, Punk lasted a decent amount of time, and guys like RVD looked alright in there.
Not sure what was going on with Lashley and Test, but nonetheless ECW is not going away, as I mentioned 1000 times its a money-maker, and WWE is contracted to keep it on Spike, who is thrilled with the ratings there.
The Rumble was ok, and Taker and Michaels (who have not really been in the ring together since Taker broke HBKs back nearly 10 years ago) going at it for 10 minutes added a couple of stars to it. Cole announcing it I have no problem with - he'll be around WWE a long time after Ross is gone. Ross is on his last legs.
As for Balls' hate of Umaga, the guy has more of a move-set than your hero Hogan, Balls. So get off this "no talent" crap.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Jan 29, 2007 8:47:18 GMT -5
I know ECW is not going away but just change the name to something else.....OVW+ comes to mind....that is what I meant....
Tom agree I think Cole is quite capable and have no problem with him also....
I had to laugh..when Sabu set up that table you just knew he was going through it....
I still find it amusing that guys like Sabu, Dreamer and Sandman get a pretty big pop and fans cheering their name still despite Vince's best efforts.....
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Post by thecaptain15 on Jan 29, 2007 8:48:36 GMT -5
For Balls...
Umaga = Giambi
And we know how wrong he is on both accounts when blind hate takes over human reasoning and logic....
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 29, 2007 8:50:31 GMT -5
But Cap, to the majority of fans the ECW name means little one way or another. ECWs heydey was 10 years ago. For every fan who used to haunt the ECW arena, there are 10 who watched it from afar or not at all, and to them (and to the WWE booking crew) its simply Smackdown II. Changing a promotions name at any point is counterproductive, you know that .
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 29, 2007 8:51:16 GMT -5
It didn't show Umaga as supertough at all. It showed that Cena was wimpy when it came to choking. The whole thing was dumb. Just hand Umaga the foreign object. I wasn't impressed. But then again, I don't impress easy.
Is ECW the money maker, or would any WWE product in that timeslot make money?
Umaga, in his wildest dreams, could never, EVER be Hulk Hogan.
Hulk Hogan is like Kurt Angle compared Mr. Thumb to the Face. Umaga is a midcarder to jobber being shoved down the throats as something he isn't.
No doubt Sabu was going through that table, but it might have been more interesting to at least use the table as a means of saving a wrestler from hitting the floor.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Jan 29, 2007 8:52:17 GMT -5
I know what you are saying........I know those guys probably need the paycheck but it is just sad to see..He should have just called it WCW at the beginning and then there would be no problem. ;D
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Post by thecaptain15 on Jan 29, 2007 8:56:14 GMT -5
Balls no one said Umaga was Hulk Hogan but I do like how they have made Umaga into one of those old time "indestructible" type challenger....It is a walk down memory lane....Umaga not tough? Gets hit by steps that Cena threw 10 feet, TV set to the head, thrown on the steps a bunch of times as well as the 3 announce table running splash.... I know all that was not as entertaining as a Hogan leg drop but it entertained me....I DO AGREE with you that it would have been neat to see the table save someone from elimination....
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