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Post by cactusjames on Mar 3, 2009 7:33:45 GMT -5
Well if I did, not like it would have killed me.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 4, 2009 19:21:25 GMT -5
So far, I'm really liking the Orton/HHH setup. It was well done.
But at this point, they need to move forward with whatever they are doing with Jericho. It's becoming repetitive. He's basically cut the same promo for 3-4 weeks in a row, with a different legend. Great to see the legends, but it's the same thing.
Time to get to the point, because I really have high hopes for the payoff.
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 4, 2009 19:37:53 GMT -5
That kind of is the point, keep beating up legend after legend. It's been three weeks of it, they can't just jump into a match with someone this soon in.
I'm surprised they gave away Cena and Edge. And now just to throw Big Show in there? I expect Cena to find a way in which makes for a three way, so I guess that's why they didn't care about letting Cena and Edge fight. Honestly, now with Show in there, it's more interesting to see what will happen between Edge and Vickie than it is to see Cena chase the belt. Monday threw me off a little bit.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 4, 2009 20:33:41 GMT -5
I do get that, though I just feel it's becoming TOO similar. I feel they aren't advancing the plot enough. I was talking with Tom about this, and it reminds me a bit of a similar angle involving Rob Conway.
Obviously, Jericho farts more talent than Conway though. I would just like to see them move forward next week and do something different than cutting the exact same promo and beating up a different legend. Some variety. I get the whole point of beating up different legends, but this is VERY repetitive. I want to see where they are going with it, and I would hate it to be some short, 10 on 1 match where the legends get revenge.
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 4, 2009 21:48:46 GMT -5
I don't think Jericho will be on the losing end of this angle no matter what.
I do get what you're saying though, I said the same thing when he and Steph had their differences for a few weeks. Which is also why I'd like Vince to turn on Steph when they return. I think it'd be a cool little swerve if he blames Steph for him getting hurt, due him having to step in since she had been upsetting a few wrestlers prior to him returning, just to get kicked. But I'll talk more about that in my Greatness thread, I have some ideas on how things may possibly go leading up to Mania and the fallout.
With Jericho, he has that knack recently to get stuck in cruise control, not that it's bad, but it can wear thin after a while. Like when he would use the same verbs to refer to Steph. I too would like to see something other than some random interaction with a legend, but I think the beat downs have to continue. I think the problem is the older guys won't take too risky of a bump, so you only have so many options when kicking the crap out of them, so it'd hard to do anything too far deviating from what they have been doing. My only real complaint is Cole acting like every time this happens, it's the somber, someone just died, voice. Not every beat down is the same as the Eddie or Owen tribute shows. Cole is awful, another topic I'll touch on in my new weekly friday rant in my Greatness thread.
This is a perfect example for WWE needing an actual building for the HOF, Jericho could do a bit defacing the Hall if they had the real thing. Hopefully they come up with something.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 5, 2009 6:54:05 GMT -5
I guess it's safe to say Rourke really isn't involved. I would think a good month of hype would be needed for a match involving an outsider. That gets the mainstream media involved.
I don't really have a clue WHAT they are going to do yet, because they really haven't moved the angle forward. It's not so much the legend beatdowns that bother me, but that they are being done the exact same way. The best part of the angle is seeing the legend and maybe a few clips of that legend. But the verbal berating is the same, as is the result. There has to be some way to freshen it up.
I don't know if this angle is set up for Jericho to come off with a WM victory. He's being a total villain at this point, and it seems that this is the type of angle where at WM, the bad guy gets clobbered in the end. While under some circumstances, the legend that comes out of nowhere would be Hogan, I'm actually wondering if somehow the legend that finally beats the snot out of Jericho would be Austin. As a new HOFer, he certainly qualifies as a legend, he WILL be in town, and Austin would certainly send the crowd into a frenzy.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 5, 2009 8:27:33 GMT -5
James, they will never run an angle during the HOF ceremony. For whatever you think they think of the legacy of those they are inducting, they wont disrespect that night in that way.
Its not going to be Austin - if you notice, the "legends" are from a totally different demographic. The going idea is still Hulk Hogan, and both Hogan and Vince have admitted they have had "talks." Another wildcard is Jerry Lawler, and you can see they have been hinting at that a bit. Lawler, as long as he has been around, has never WRESTLED on a Mania, and constantly grouses about it. And as much of a letdown as that would be to many, at least he could have a decent "match" with a Jericho type.
Austin's "frenzies" are overrated - he is always around to where he is the ref at Cyber Sunday year after year. Not happening. Oh, and Jericho will be getting his ass handed to him by whichever legend it is that night.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 5, 2009 8:53:53 GMT -5
From a story standpoint, I don't think it would make sense for the legend to lose at Mania. I don't think this angle should last beyond Mania. If it does, it would only drag it on.
I totally agree that the legends are not from the same era as Austin. These are more 80s legends, and Hogan coming out and whooping ass would be awesome for Hogan fans, and one way to sell that is to not have it be a clean match. You could have the previously beaten up legends help Hogan out.
But I do think the angle could still work a bit with Austin, and may be more satisfying to people who would also have a problem with someone pushing 60 beating Jericho. I'm not EXPECTING Austin, but just throwing it out there.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 5, 2009 9:23:38 GMT -5
I think it will eventually be Hogan or Austin especially if it were up to Vince. Austin would be better but I know because of his neck he is a long shot, though he always said he would wrestle one more match "if the price was right".......Hogan needs the payday more so I think it will be him and if he falls through it will be Lawler and that will be a huge let down..I also bet Rourke will be involved in some way via interference to help the legend out.....
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 5, 2009 9:30:25 GMT -5
Well, if it IS Austin, I should get some Cactus James level props for this prediction.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 5, 2009 9:41:46 GMT -5
It wont be Austin. And if we are going to keep playing the "told ya so!" game, when its NOT Austin, you can give me MY props. So lets cut out that baby BS.
Again, Austin is not from that era of legends, Austin does not "do high school gyms" like the rest of the legends who have come out, and Austin has always been a "lone wolf." On top of that, he is not FRESH, we saw him as recently as Cyber Sunday, he is always kind of around.
Hogan, for what it is worth, is even teasing it is him on his TWITTER.
The other likely candidate is Lawler, but everyone admits that would be somewhat a let-down. An interesting darkhorse I had kicked around, and now is making his way around the Torch board is a contemporary wrestler....a guy that goes back a big, always showed respect and dropped names of old-school guys, and is due a face turn at some point before he hangs the boots....
JBL.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 5, 2009 10:16:42 GMT -5
You would get NO props for saying someone is NOT going to appear. That's not a prediction. Anyone can do that. SO if it's NOT Austin, you will get nothing and like it. If it IS Austin, I just Cactus Jamesed your ass.
Does Hogan do HS gyms?
JBL would be cool if done right.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 5, 2009 10:24:02 GMT -5
As a matter of fact Hogan just did a High School gym 2 months ago, reffing that match where Flair was enforcer as his sons took on the Nasty Boys. Hogan also has shilled his autograph at conventions.
So, yes, he fits Jericho's rants.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 5, 2009 11:48:44 GMT -5
Tom..Austin may not be "fresh" but you know he would blow the roof off the joint if it was..The pop would be enormous and I bet Vince would sign up Austin in a minute if Austin wanted to do it......I would say Vince's next choice would be Hogan......It wouldn't matter if Austin was not a 80's legend or not tot he crowd..That being said JBL would be in the Lawler level of letdowns...........
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 5, 2009 12:10:33 GMT -5
Well, its not going to be Austin, so get over it.
The JBL idea is a good one as he does not yet have a role, his time is coming due to hang them up and a face turn beckons, and he is a current roster guy. As much as we giggle to see the oldtimers, Vince will look to take care of his current crop first.
I would rather see JBL than Lawler, thats for sure. Whoever is going against Jericho will have a heap of legends at ringside.
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 5, 2009 12:27:19 GMT -5
When did I ever say run a promo during the ceremony? It was a hypothetical situation if they had a building, they could do a bit like Eddie at the playboy ,ansion. Not once in my post did I say it should be done April 4th. Christ, you skim through my post, pick what you want to read and just bash me for something I never said. LOL, I love being bashed for shit I never said, it amazes me you come up with these ideas and I only had two sentences talking about it, yet this whole image of running a bit during the ceremony is somehow all over it, amazing.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 5, 2009 14:30:57 GMT -5
In another nod to the 25th anniversary of Mania, they added a 25 Diva Battle Royal to the show, featuring some names from the past. None announced, but I would imagine you will see Trish, Lita, Molly Holly....maybe Marlena, Torrie Wilson, Chyna.....who knows, maybe Wendi Richter, things like that.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 5, 2009 14:33:01 GMT -5
Leilani Kai and the Jumping Bomb Angels too?
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 5, 2009 14:40:36 GMT -5
I still say if they book Richter, and even better Lauper with her, she should come out last, to the original music, and kick ass. I think that would get a good pop. Wrestling fans don't forget.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 5, 2009 14:49:23 GMT -5
Don't forget Captain Lou too!!!!
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 5, 2009 15:02:00 GMT -5
You think they will actually ANNOUNCE Jericho's opponent, or will there be rant/beat down weekly, and then he'll cut a promo at WM, and we'll hear the music of whoever they get?
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 5, 2009 15:25:28 GMT -5
Wrestling fans don't forget But they do. Todays audience skews heavily young, the crowd is full of attitude era fans, or even kids, and things like the gimmick battle royal were met with silence.
As to Jericho's opponent, they wont make it a surprise, especially since Vince apparently already has the guy planned and is keeping it under the vest. So it will be impactful, no sense wasting on a surprise. Plus Jericho needs to go into Mania with a planned match....it would be stupid for him to not have a match.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 5, 2009 15:37:36 GMT -5
I agree, but stranger things have happened. That said, I think it will work either way. Announcing the opponent too would help. Four weeks of notice is a decent time to hype it.
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 5, 2009 15:38:44 GMT -5
I have to disagree, writers forget, fans don't. One of the biggest complains fans these days have is how details get forgotten about in storylines. I'd say most wrestling fans, not all of them, but most tend to remember shit. Obviously the Cena fans don't, but that's a small percentage of the fans in attendence for PPVs especially in the major markets.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 5, 2009 16:41:33 GMT -5
Exactly, and I think that someone like Richter would get a HUGE pop, especially if she used Girls Just Want to Have Fun as her theme.
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Post by 4dogg on Mar 5, 2009 17:24:24 GMT -5
im sure sunny will be involved....as will mae young
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 5, 2009 17:42:23 GMT -5
Eh, I don't know about the Richter thing, Mae Young would get a bigger pop, but this also goes back to what we talked about the last few days, you have to go with best quality, you give that up with Mae Young. So it's overboard with Richter. Having a big battle royal with the handful of current girls, and some of the old ones Tom talked about is fine, we probably will get to see the showdown fans have been wanting, Beth and Trish for more than 5 minutes, possibly Lita too, that would be awesome. No need to go overboard with older ones, especially Richter.
I don't think Mae Young gets in the match, just an appearance, and I don't see Richter being there at all.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 5, 2009 18:02:48 GMT -5
Honestly, I have no clue--I'm just guessing but I think it would go over pretty well. Richter was VERY popular in her day--so popular that she was the #2 match on the first WM. That said, I have NO CLUE what kind of shape she's in. She probably can't even wrestle.
I guess it depends what direction they are going. If it's some sort of all time tribute, then Richter would work. If not, then no need to go back further than Sunny.
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 9, 2009 14:18:30 GMT -5
No one remembers Richter like they do Mae and Moolah. She'd get a nice hand, but not louder than Mae or Trish. And it also looks like Lita won't be there, WWE doesn't want anyone attending Mania to be involved in Booker T's fanfest for his charity, and Lita is scheduled. Booker was complaining about some talent dropping out because WWE wants them at Mania in Houston, and not doing anything else. Torrie Wilson has said she'll be at the HOF on her myspace, so I expect her to be in the battle royal, and can only hope Vince makes an exception for Lita. And yes, Torrie will get a bigger hand then Richter.
I expect to get more of the Mania card finalized tonight, maybe find out what JBL and Jericho will be doing, and hopefully we see another legend beat down at the hands of Jericho. And in all honesty, I actually agree with most of what Jericho says, looking at it as if it were a shoot, I'd totally side with Jericho. Much like this board, the old bastards in WWE want to steal the spotlight from the young superstars who deserve it.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 9, 2009 18:23:31 GMT -5
I would LOVE to see it happen, just to see it happen.
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