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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 9, 2009 19:51:25 GMT -5
Read online today that Richter has indeed been asked to participate in the battle royal, and is "75% sure" she will be in there. The same article mentioned how it will mean little today to most.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 9, 2009 20:36:31 GMT -5
JBL just got his bone thrown to him by Vince........HHH must really hate CM Punk.......Punk is RVD lite with respect to being so over with the crowd and so under with those who count in the office.....
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 10, 2009 1:07:09 GMT -5
I gotta disagree, Punk has been pushed way more than RVD ever was. I agree he's not high with the office, that's no secret, but he's higher on their list than Van Dam ever was. I actually really like this move because I've been saying the belt needs to be defended at Mania to give it some meaning back. Yes, the short runs never help, but I'm holding out hope JBL's boastful persona will hype this up big time leading up to it. I would like to see a rematch, but it'll be cool to see who challenges JBL since Punk is in the MITB.
And by the way, HBK not in my good graces tonight. Yes I know Taker was winning long ago, he wins every Mania and I'm not bitching about it. But I don't like the fact Shawn is saying so soon Taker's never beaten him because it's just a dead giveaway 4 fucking weeks out. Asshole. Taker stumbled over two lines and cut a better promo cause of that one fucking line. I mean it's nice to the whole undefeated at Mania, to never been beaten by Taker, it's a cool concept, but it was just a giveaway, that had to be Gerwitz.
What isn't a giveaway is the title matches, we know one face has to walks away champ, but who? I'll save that for my blog, but I will just say it isn't open and shut, and we honestly won't know until we know what title match is going on first.
And the Richter thing is just redonkulous. But in the big picture, doesn't matter, since Moolah passed they're running out of cougars.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 10, 2009 8:56:00 GMT -5
I wonder if Flair answers the challanges of Jericho next week or pulls the I am retired but I can train someone to beat you at WM..hello Mickey Rourke.....hhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 10, 2009 9:30:55 GMT -5
Punk has been pushed way more than RVD ever was
LOL! LMAO!!!
Have your forgotten that when RVD threw his glory away to smoke spliff he was a dual champion, with multiple titles? The face of a brand?
RVD always got his props. Hell, he even has a DVD set devoted to him by the WWE.
Give me a break.
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 10, 2009 13:15:42 GMT -5
Um, how long was that into RVD's tenure? 7 fucking years? 7 years of being IC champ for a month, tag champ with Kane for a month, tag champ with Book for a month, champs with Mysterio for a month, Punk's barely been with the company 5 years and he already got two world titles, he won all 3 major titles in the span of a year, was the face of the ECW brand and Raw brand like RVD albeit not at the same time. RVD was known for being the most over mid carder for years before he won the world title, Punk barely had time for a cup of coffee as a mid carder before he got the ECW strap. That had to be within a year, maybe a little over when he first one that, they have more faith in Punk than they ever did RVD.
I'm not delusional and thinking he's in tight with the brass, but he shot to the top way quicker than RVD did in WWE so I think the only one smoking spiff right now is you. Yes, he's a mid carder, but he got his shot to hold the reigns way quicker than RVD did, and he's set up to win MITB for a second year in a row, no way he's in the same boat as RVD. I'm a big Van Dam fan, we know that, but Punk shot to the top quicker, he's in way better graces with the office than RVD was.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 10, 2009 13:19:42 GMT -5
Sorry, but that is patently untrue.
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 10, 2009 13:53:34 GMT -5
LOL really? What have you been watching? The front office never got behind RVD like they did Punk, his rise to the top was far faster than RVDS. So because of RVDs two week title reign, he was pushed more than Punk? It wasn't till very late in his tenure did they ever decide to give him the ball because of how over he was, Punk got it almost a year and a half in, you couldn't be more off on this. How is a guy who took 7 years to win ONE world title pushed more? Punk has two different runs this soon out of the gate. You're speaking crazy talk.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 12, 2009 11:58:34 GMT -5
I wonder if they will give Richter any hype. Let's give her the benefit of the doubt, and assume she is in good shape.
I don't know if they would announce it on Raw or not. But an exciting return of Richter, at least for newer fans that don't remember her run, would depend on Jim Ross. I think it's a real shame Ross isn't on Raw at this point, but even if they did it on Smackdown, it could be some sort of thing that is replayed.
Richter would also be helped if the WWE paid for the rights to "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun," and be led down the aisle by Cyndi Lauper. Selling Richter would also be a nice tribute to Moolah, because fans can be reminded that Moolah held the belt for about 27 years--by far the most dominant run of any champ in wrestling history. And Richter beat HER for the belt, which cemented Richter's legendary status.
Let's face it, Richter's run accomplished something that probably no women's wrestler has ever done, or ever will do again--her match and plotline was the #2 match at Wrestlemania.
It would be a cool way to actually give a women's match more meaning than just T&A.
Of course, there will be plenty of T&A.
But that said, I'll agree that it could fall flat, and that in the grand scheme, a women's battle royal means little.
I like the progression of the HHH/Orton storyline, but again, I really want Legacy's push to step up a bit. They are currently just lackeys that are being overshadowed by the main event. They need to be big time heels in their own right, so when the inevitable split with Orton comes, they don't fade away.
In my opinion RVD>CM Punk.
Cena's involvement with the Big Show/Edge storyline is actually a cool twist.
No real movement with Jericho, though I couldn't be more sickened by the thought of Koko B. Ware in the HOF?
I realize you guys touched on that before, but holy crap! I bet Tom's "blogosphere" is having a field day.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 12, 2009 12:00:28 GMT -5
If anything Cyndi Lauper should be honored in some way because if it was't for her the ball wouldn't have got rooling for the success of Wrestlemania.....
EDIT since I just went back and read all of Balls' last post..
It was not Richter it was Lauper who elevated it. If anything Richter thought she was more important then she was and thus why she vanished from the scence as fast as she showed up.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 12, 2009 12:01:46 GMT -5
Balls, are you kidding? Wendi Richter??? Who cares?
They probably wont announce any of the specialty acts, to get the live pop, if there even is one.
Holy Hell, you are making Wendi Richter out to be another Hulk Hogan.
Ware is being panned, sure, but some are actually defending him. From his work on the Memphis circuit before his WWE stints, and on WWE recordings and stuff. Others are shrugging it off as simply something "fun." Its not that important in the grand scheme of things. That said, I dont think he belongs, no doubt. But I wont lose sleep over it.
Lauper wont be there, cause she will need to be paid to be there. And she is not worth paying to be there.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 12, 2009 12:06:03 GMT -5
My guess is Ware is going in more for being the lead on the "smash hit " Piledriver more then anything else...
I still say Frankie got larger pops and should go in before him....
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 12, 2009 12:06:13 GMT -5
It was the whole package of Richter and Lauper that made that plotline so great. While Richter was certainly no Hogan, her popularity at the time WAS at the top of the roster.
Ware is awful. But it lowers the bar for greats like Hacksaw Jim Duggan and Skinner to get in the HOF.
I wonder who is going to induct The Beserker.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 12, 2009 12:08:57 GMT -5
Lauper wont be there, cause she will need to be paid to be there. And she is not worth paying to be there.
Tom my point was that if anyone should be there to provide the "nostalgia" of that era it would be Lauper much more then Wendy Richter...and to debunk Balls' usual faulty reasoning...LOL
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 12, 2009 12:10:32 GMT -5
That being said I will try to get a good in ring pic of Ms. Richter (if she shows and lasts more then the 2 seconds it will take for the camera to focus) to post here so Balls can salivate over it....
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 12, 2009 12:26:49 GMT -5
I just found one online. She looks ok for a 47 year old, but I can't see her moving around that well in the ring.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 12, 2009 12:59:59 GMT -5
I meant a live WM 25 pic...
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 18, 2009 9:27:04 GMT -5
Looks like regarding Jericho we will be getting the Rourke interference (Jericho with his front row ticket invote) to give the Legends the win.....This match is going to be a wreck since Steamboat is the only one who can even walk at this poiint.....
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 18, 2009 9:33:42 GMT -5
Mania is shaping up to be a downer to most. There is just no buzz, and the card is not special in the least. I am surely getting it, out of tradition, more than anything. But there is just no oomph. As much as I love me some legends, the way this Jericho thing seems to be going is a real groaner. And what a waste of his talent in the ring.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 20, 2009 20:14:32 GMT -5
Hmmm... isn't that what I said from the get go about Jericho?
And you disagreed?
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 20, 2009 21:42:51 GMT -5
To be fair to Jericho, because nothing makes me happier than Tom being wrong, it had a lot of potential when it was in it's infancy stages. And it still has the chance to turn into something good, but you get the feeling Vince was holding out for Hogan or Austin and it never panned out. At this point, I'd rather see Jericho one on one with Steamboat, at least it looks like he can still be passable in the ring.
but I agree, the Jericho angle started off hot and whatever went wrong behind the scenes, it's taken it down a few notches. But again, i wouldn't give up just yet, it still may be good as nothing has been set in stone, just that Jericho will be involved with some legends.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 20, 2009 23:49:59 GMT -5
How was I wrong? I said all along it was not going to be Austin, and in the last few weeks, after Hogan showed up injured, we knew that was not the case either. Hmmm... isn't that what I said from the get go about Jericho?
And you disagreed?
Again, what the fuck are you talking about? If Jericho was wrestling Lawler, JBL, or even Steamboat in a one-on-one match, it would have been fine. But this match here, this "handicap match" - THAT is terrible, and a waste.
Jericho does not need a "5 star opponent." He simply needs something stronger than this.
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 21, 2009 0:53:37 GMT -5
Lawler would have been a terrible choice, I was hoping it would not be him when his name was rumored. Nothing against the King, but that's just an underwhelming match. Saying Lawler vs Jericho is almost as bad as the match would be. I would love to see Lawler get his ass handed to him by Jericho on Raw to further is attack of legends and HOFers. I agree he doesn't need to have 5 star opponent but Lawler's just a boring pick.
And we saw enough of Jericho and JBL last year, they don't have the best the chemistry. But at least with Rourke def going to be there, it may not be a total bust. It isn't great but it could be worse, no doubt they blew big potential, though.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 21, 2009 17:20:31 GMT -5
Jericho wrestling Steamboat, and Steamboat alone, assuming the guy has ANY skill left, would have been fine. But I said since the beginning that this kind of angle was a bad call for Jericho. Waste of his talent.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 23, 2009 9:08:57 GMT -5
For what it is worth the Jericho match - as it stands - has been pulled from wwe.com, and is no longer listed.
Changes are afoot...
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 23, 2009 9:10:41 GMT -5
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 23, 2009 12:16:33 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I never noticed a Jericho match on the card before today, I don't think they ever listed his match, which may be the reason it's not on the website.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 23, 2009 12:36:27 GMT -5
You're absolutely wrong in that, it was there, I have seen it on there myself while trying to guage the order in which the matches seemed ranked in importance. And the topic of it being PULLED FROM THE SITE was big discussion today on the Observer audio.
If you dont know what the F you are talking about, you need to shut up sometimes. Stop trying to argue everything, its getting old.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 25, 2009 7:24:48 GMT -5
I see it there... www.wwe.com/shows/wrestlemania/matches/9647906/preview/That being said I am not thrilled with this match but i would rather see the 3 of them hobble to ringside then lLawler (guess we get to see that anyway next RAW). I do agree this angle had great possibilities but the match itself is a disappointment. The Flair beatdown on Monday was classic......I loved it..
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 25, 2009 8:20:15 GMT -5
I would love to see Evan Bourne added to the MITB match......
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