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Post by kingdzbws on Jul 11, 2007 12:42:28 GMT -5
OMG - Your killing me T!!
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jul 11, 2007 12:44:00 GMT -5
Yeah, with numbers, and proof. Not the same tired arguments coming from the other side.
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Post by kingdzbws on Jul 11, 2007 13:02:29 GMT -5
I gave up on this some time ago...and had a response, but I guess I never posted it, and have since changed computers. So, to summerize some pics form AMNH kids educational site; approximately 117,000; possibly many more I Will never, however give up the fish jumping as I have witnessed them with my own eyes first hand!! GASTROPODS FOR LIFE
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Post by Chrissy on Jul 11, 2007 13:23:25 GMT -5
What's the big hunk represent?
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Post by kingdzbws on Jul 11, 2007 13:29:15 GMT -5
CHARACTERISTICS: animals without a backbone; armor-like covering; a body split into segments with jointed legs or mouthparts KNOWN SPECIES: over 1 million (over 8 million estimated) SIZE RANGE: microscopic to 13 feet (about 0.1 millimeter to 4 meters) WHERE THEY LIVE: land, fresh waters, and oceans Ironically, some of these carry with them shells, so...........................
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Post by Chrissy on Jul 11, 2007 14:33:05 GMT -5
Sooooo..... there are more shells than trees!
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jul 11, 2007 14:35:17 GMT -5
SOME of them carry shells, but some of them also never leave the water. AGAIN, for the one millionth time, WHAT IS MORE VISIBLE FROM SKIMMING THE SURFACE OF THE LAND/EARTH? SHELLS OR TREES. Answer - trees. The number of shells laying on the beach not buried in sand does not come close to the number of trees standing tall.
We are not talking about shells in the sea here, but thanks for chiming in on this, Chrissy!
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Post by Chris on Jul 11, 2007 15:23:11 GMT -5
That graph, I'm sure, is talking about numbers of species, not the sheer number of individual organisms.
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Post by kingdzbws on Jul 11, 2007 20:29:18 GMT -5
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jul 12, 2007 8:13:30 GMT -5
That link is opening up to a blank page for me. Whats the gist of it? Stop playing around.
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Post by Ms. Jericho on Jul 12, 2007 9:08:40 GMT -5
Works here... just sayin'.
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Post by kingdzbws on Jul 12, 2007 10:01:30 GMT -5
Works for me. It's the cladogram of the planets biodiversity - A tree of life - from single cell thingys to the mammals. Its actually a very cool site for Emma - well maybe she's a bit young - bit it's way cool for kids.
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Post by Chrissy on Jul 12, 2007 14:28:30 GMT -5
Just going by the facts presented. Now, should you have a graph or two you'd like to present, I would be happy to look at them and make a final determination.
Glad to be of some help. ;D
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Post by MSBNYY on Jul 12, 2007 14:33:47 GMT -5
The link is fine, though I'm curious what the point is. First, not all green plants are TREES. Second, it doesn't say how many of each species there are.
It also includes trees that are underwater, which don't count.
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Post by Domi on Jul 12, 2007 14:42:19 GMT -5
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Post by MSBNYY on Jul 12, 2007 14:46:50 GMT -5
Is that yet ANOTHER doctored photo of salmon swimming upstream?
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Post by $heriff Tom on Oct 10, 2007 12:13:16 GMT -5
Ok, here is another story which shows you how much proliferation of trees is out there at any given time, with tons added daily around the world. Here in NYC alone, one million trees are targeted to be added in the next decade.
From todays POST -
With an eclectic cast of characters that included actress-enviromentalist Bette Midler, comedian Andy Dick, former New York Islander Steve Webb, and Big Bird from Sesame Street, Mayor Bloomberg yesterday planted in the South Bronx the first of the million trees he wants to add to the citys landscape in the next 10 years.
"Its hard to find a downside when you plant a tree" the mayor said.
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Post by jwmcc on Oct 10, 2007 12:54:46 GMT -5
"Its hard to find a downside when you plant a tree" the mayor said"
Yeah, until that trees grows big enough and the first big thunderstorm knocks it down and totals your parked car or puts the neighborhood in a blackout.
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 10, 2007 12:57:31 GMT -5
And in the time it takes to plant one tree, Mrs. Snail is birthing 100 offspring.
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Post by Domi on Oct 10, 2007 13:06:41 GMT -5
The bigger question is why Tom thinks he can get away with sneaking Andy Dick and Steve Webb in his "quote" without getting called on the malarky.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Oct 10, 2007 13:10:03 GMT -5
Huh?
NY Post, page 13.
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Post by kingdzbws on Oct 10, 2007 13:34:26 GMT -5
PAH! A million trees - CHUMP CHANGE. GASTROPODS4LIFE
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Post by $heriff Tom on Oct 10, 2007 13:35:36 GMT -5
I see a lot of rocks there. Also a good amount of sand-space in between shells. I can put up clusters of forests with clumps of trees if you would like.
Whats your point?
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Post by kingdzbws on Oct 10, 2007 14:41:48 GMT -5
It took some time, and I think there is some sort of cover-up going on, but I found this blurb today which refutes Tom's allegations; MIAMI HERALD www.miamiherald.com/news/miami_dade/story/265017.htmlLOSER DICK’S ARBORIAL ADVENTURES Comedienne Kathy Griffith held a news conference today with Miami Mayor Carlos Alvarez to directly address plans by her nemesis Andy Dick to plant 1 millions trees in New York, by announcing a new initiative to disperse 100,000,000 seashells throughout Miami and Miami Beach over the next ten years. The program was designed to blunt efforts by Dick and his supporters to tip the balance in favor of a small but vocal timber touting cadre with apparent ties to the oft- discredited group, the Anti-Salmon Syndicate and Haters Of Little Exoskeletons and Seashell or ASSHOLES. The ASSHOLES have vowed to suppress any pro-gastropod press. The effort was put together by the mayor's Office of Long-term Planning and Sustainability. On Sunday, following the tree-hugging failed comic’s appearance in New York, Miami city officials announced the seashell program, which is to begin this July – National Seashell month in conjunction with Dade County Seashell Days. For the next 10 years, the city will disperse 230,000 seashells each year along city streets, to reach a goal of having a thousand seashells in "every single place where it is possible to stick a thousand seashells," Deputy Mayor Lupe Banyo said. The remaining will be scattered in parks and public lots, while the private sector will also be encouraged to spread shells on their properties as well. A number of different species will be dispersed. For each case, gastropod specialists assess the sun and shadow levels and other factors to determine the best type for that spot. Private citizens are encouraged to replace all ashtrays in their homes with seashells and spend at least one hour a day with their children listening to the soothing sounds of the Conch. For it’s part General Mills announced that is has already replaced all of it’s Grape Nut cereal products with crushed seashells with little or no customer complaints. Speaking at the press conference Miami Heat star Shaquile O’Neal announced that he will forego his regular athletic protector this season and instead wear a seashells in his jockstrap, and Miami Sound Machine leader Gloria Estefan declared that she would begin a Latin initiative called Trees No, Seashells Si while local Clamato distributors were working out a way to forsake traditional packaging for seashell based materials.
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Post by 9 on Oct 10, 2007 14:54:20 GMT -5
The Yankees' season is barely cold, and we're already back to the trees and seashells. I need a drink.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Dec 10, 2007 13:27:15 GMT -5
So here is more fodder that helps strengthen the already overwhelming belief that there are indeed more seashells than trees.
This weekend we were watching a show called "Crazy for Christmas" and there was much Christmas tree banter. Well, you know how many live trees are chopped each year, destined to be someones Christmas tree?
30 million.
Yes, 30 million trees ANNUALLY are chopped down, just to use as a Christmas tree.
That number is staggering. It proves that the amount of trees is simply immense, that every year this amount is chopped, and its only a fraction of an inkling of a kind of kindle.
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Post by 9 on Dec 10, 2007 13:29:07 GMT -5
Wait until the research comes out about how many Kwanzaa Shells are sold.
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Post by kingdzbws on Dec 10, 2007 13:54:42 GMT -5
Check out Tom's slip. His mind knows that his mouth lies.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Dec 10, 2007 13:56:37 GMT -5
I simply type too fast.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 10, 2008 20:29:06 GMT -5
So check it out, NYC is going to be adding ONE MILLION MORE trees over the next decade, as part of an ambitious plan. Interesting story here. It just goes to show you the immense cornocopia of trees, which makes a true dearth of shells when you compare.
NYC decides to clone 'historical' trees
NEW YORK - Squat, homely, dwarfed by the stately oaks and poplars nearby and unnoticed by the tourists passing in horse-drawn carriages, it's a tree that only birds and nut-hungry squirrels could love. But on Thursday, the 100-year-old European beech on Central Park's Cherry Hill was the center of attention — chosen by city officials as the first of 25 "historical" trees to be cloned as part of a plan to add a million new trees to streets, parks and public spaces over the next decade.
Agriculture students from a Queens high school rode hydraulic-powered tree-trimmers' buckets to upper branches of the 60-foot tree and snipped off 6- to 12-inch sections of new growth, to be sent to a scientific tree nursery in eastern Oregon. If all goes well, the genetic-match saplings will be back in two years, to be replanted as part of the "Million Trees NYC" project, announced last year.
"We want to break the stereotype of New York as skyscrapers and sidewalks," Parks Commissioner Adrian Benape said. "New York abounds in historical trees."
The target trees, five in each of New York's five boroughs, include nine different species. All were selected by borough foresters as historical for having existed for at least a century — either as fixtures of the urban landscape or as having special significance to local communities.
Among those are what may be the city's oldest tree, the St. Nicholas elm — also known as "the dinosaur" — in upper Manhattan, which George Washington is said to have walked under during the American Revolution, 230 years ago.
City partners in the cloning effort include the Central Park Conservancy, a private group that manages the 840-acre park; Bartlett Tree Experts, a century-old Connecticut-based company that has tree care contracts in New York, 25 other states, Canada, England and Ireland; the nonprofit Tree Fund, and the Coleman Co., a camping equipment maker, whose coolers would be used to ship the cuttings to Oregon.
David McMaster, a Bartlett vice president, said the cloning would target several "Olmsted trees," dating from the creation of Central Park by famed architect Frederick Law Olmsted in the late 1850s.
"Our intention here is to go after significant trees that we know Olmsted planted over 150 years ago," he said. These include a shingle oak and a willow oak, among others.
Benape said being less than beautiful had no bearing on the European beech tree's potential contribution to a greener Gotham.
"Like the other trees to be cloned, it has withstood the test of time and the indignities of urban life," he said. "These trees as a result tend to be hardier species, inherently disease resistant. They are a great reaffirmation of the importance of nature in New York City — trees so good that people are looking to clone them."
McMaster said the cloning is a two-stage process in which cuttings are grafted to roots of the same species at the Schichtel Nursery in Oregon, and the new growth is later peeled away to create a sapling with the DNA of the original tree.
The result is a genetically identical tree, although not one identical in shape to the original. Some trees — ash, oak and elm — that are particularly susceptible to disease must be certified as healthy to be cloned, he said.
Each of the cuttings will produce 10 genetic copies of the original tree, allowed to grow to 2 to 3 feet before being sent back to New York for replanting.
Janet Bornancin, executive director of the Wheaton, Ill.-based Tree Fund, a research and education organization, said studies show trees live an average of 80 years in forests, 50 years in parks and about seven years on city streets.
Environmental pressures on the latter include air pollution, road salt, tightly packed, nutrient-poor soil and cramped space for root growth — even wrapping holiday lights too tightly, she said.
"Every time a jet aircraft flies over the city it drops kerosene that damages trees," McMaster added.
Standing against the backdrop of winter-barren trees, McMaster said, "The grandeur of what we're doing is all around us — trying to preserve the propagation of these significant trees to preserve their DNA and legacy. We are fortunate to have trees that George Washington walked under."
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