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Post by rlm6370 on Apr 28, 2008 18:34:12 GMT -5
So with the recent news of Micheal Hayes and his affinity for N-word, now it's a little clearer on how Lashley got such a sweet deal on his release from the WWE, that he can join TNA in May with no strings attached and he can also do any MMA. Have you heard of any wrestler getting his release being able to do this. If it's possible legal wrangling aside I would love to see Lashley's shoot on the subject
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 28, 2008 19:12:40 GMT -5
I think he would suck at MMA, but would love to see it.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 28, 2008 19:29:11 GMT -5
Yeah, when Lashley cut ties there was a lot of cryptic talk of something hanging over all of it, and this seems to be it. A lot of implications about a bad atmosphere backstage. As to the MMA side of things, Lashley is a noted kickboxer and martial artist, he has dabbled in it before so he is not going in cold, if he goes in at all. From all accounts he is a tremendous athlete, can obviously wrestle in the amateur style, and would be a killer in the old ground and pound.
Dont write him off like you know of what you speak, Balls.
I think a TNA shot is more likely, as its easy money, and an easy schedule for someone used to the WWE grind.
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 28, 2008 20:02:43 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar was an all American wrestler. I bet Lesnar could take Lashley in MMA. But I would love to see Lashley give it a go. Lesnar v. Lashley would be really cool.
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Post by cactusjames on Apr 29, 2008 1:11:03 GMT -5
But you also think Angle wouldn't be good at MMA Balls, and Angle can beat Lesnar. Seriously, just cause you dislike a guy from the 25 minutes of wrestling you watch within a week, don't say the guy wouldn't be a good fighter or isn't a good athlete.
Not for nothing, but I wasn't impresses with Matt Morgan and they made a big deal about him being a good big man. Just as much as Lashley. The more muscle headed guys they have, the more WWE they are, the worse TNA gets. What seperates them from WWe is the Eric Youngs, Kaz, Motor City Machine Guns, Christopher Daniels etc. The more body builders, the more hurtful it is to TNA. Granted I've never beena fan of Lashley, he'd be in my top 5 of most hated wrestlers of all time, but all that aside, part of the reason I can't look past my bias against big guys for him is cause I never saw anything special there. Umaga is 20 million times better than Lashley. Let him join some MMA group and see how he fares there before being future Matt Morgan for TNA.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 29, 2008 7:26:33 GMT -5
, just cause you dislike a guy from the 25 minutes of wrestling you watch within a week
Since when has Balls picked up another 15 minutes a week of wrestling-watching?
As to Morgan, he has dissapointed me thus far. I keep hearing about all this promise he has. A funny thing about him is his million miles per hour promos. He talks like an auctioneer, he needs to slow it the Hell down.
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Post by rlm6370 on Apr 29, 2008 8:08:02 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar was an all American wrestler. I bet Lesnar could take Lashley in MMA. But I would love to see Lashley give it a go. Lesnar v. Lashley would be really cool. Listen Lesnar couldn't even take a broken down Kurt Angle in a real wrestling match they had in WWE several years ago behind the scenes, and the last time I checked he outweighs Kurt by about 75pds |
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 30, 2008 12:46:54 GMT -5
Yeah, but Kurt Angle was a better wrestler than Lesnar. Did you know that Kurt Angle won the gold medal in the 1996 olympics?  James--I don't think I ever said Angle wouldn't be good at MMA. I think if wrestling suddenly became real, Angle would be one of the toughest to beat. I would love to see Lashley do MMA. I think it's cool as hell when pro wrestlers do that. It was almost surreal seeing Lesnar compete for real. And it was hilarious watching him tap. I think it would be cool as hell seeing a Lesnar/Lashley real fight. But I also think Lesnar would destroy him. |
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Post by rlm6370 on Apr 30, 2008 13:28:25 GMT -5
Yeah, but Kurt Angle was a better wrestler than Lesnar. Did you know that Kurt Angle won the gold medal in the 1996 olympics? James--I don't think I ever said Angle wouldn't be good at MMA. I think if wrestling suddenly became real, Angle would be one of the toughest to beat. I would love to see Lashley do MMA. I think it's cool as hell when pro wrestlers do that. It was almost surreal seeing Lesnar compete for real. And it was hilarious watching him tap. I think it would be cool as hell seeing a Lesnar/Lashley real fight. But I also think Lesnar would destroy him. Did you know that Brock was a 2 time NCAA wrestling champ, plus if you know anything about wrestling 75pds is a big advantage in wrestling, plus Kurt was broken down when they had the match, this is around the time Kurt started to have issues with his neck. |
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 30, 2008 14:44:11 GMT -5
I know all of that. But the NCAA is not the same level as the olympics. The fact that a post-prime, broken down Angle, could still take Lesnar only shows just how good Angle was.
I don't think it's a knock on Lesnar.
Lesnar also did actually look competent in his fight with Mir. He got caught in an ankle lock, but he was actually controlling the fight before that.
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Post by cactusjames on Apr 30, 2008 23:20:06 GMT -5
You mean how good Angle is, not was. He's a machine. And I do remember you saying you don't know how Angle would fare in MMA. He would be more than competent. His wrestling ability alone would help him counter and grapple, obviously he'd have the advantage over anyone on the mat. He's one of the best ever and I'd go with him over almost anybody else in a real fight.
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Post by MSBNYY on May 1, 2008 6:02:55 GMT -5
Fair enough. Is. I don't know how Angle would fare in MMA, but it's not like he's a suckass athlete. Anyone who can even make the olympic team is on another level.
At this point, age and his neck would be a huge detriment to Angle, but if he decided to make a jump several years ago, his potential would be unlimited. The reason I don't know how he would do is solely because of all the damage he has put his body through as a wrestler.
You're 100 percent right about his wrestling ability, which I think, despite Lesnar being a top level NCAA wrestler, dwarfs Lesnar's. And again, Lesnar is an outstanding amateur wrestler. Not being in Kurt Angle's league is no insult.
I can see Lesnar improving on his performance in the UFC. I have no doubt he'll get another fight, and seeing him fight in MMA is a cool novelty. I do think that Lesnar would pummel Lashley in a real MMA fight.
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Post by massyanksfan on May 5, 2008 15:22:23 GMT -5
I have always wanted to see Angle v. Lesner in a shoot. My money is on Angle.
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Post by MSBNYY on May 6, 2008 11:04:37 GMT -5
If both were in their primes, Lesnar couldn't touch Angle. Not so sure if that's true today just because of all the wear and tear on Angle.
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Post by cactusjames on May 6, 2008 12:43:58 GMT -5
I don't know about that. Since Angle has been in TNA he doesn't work the same schedule he had in WWE, so he's able to rest up more. From what I've read all the pill shit is behind him, neck doesn't give him much problems. I would argue he's in the best shape in the past few years, maybe since ever. Don't forget, he won the gold in the Olympics with the broken neck in 96, he could best shape he's been in since then.
I'm looking foward to the eventual AJ Styles/Angle/Karen love triangle storyline, it could lead to some fantastic matches.
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Post by MSBNYY on May 6, 2008 13:11:56 GMT -5
He's still 12 years older and very beaten up since 1996, even with the better schedule. Don't get me wrong, at one point, this man was the best wrestler in the world in his weight class. I don't care that Lesnar was a NCAA champ. That's great, but not best in the world great.
You're probably watching TNA and have a good idea as to the shape that Angle is in. And in MMA, it is possible to be at the top of the field even into your early 40s--at least if you're name is Corture.
Even in defeat, Lesnar looked strong. But they would both have the same strengths and weaknesses, which could make for a hell of a fight.
I wouldn't say Angle would have no chance against Lesnar. But I would say Lesnar would have a much better shot at winning that fight than he would have when Angle was in his prime.
The more we talk about it, the more I would love to see that.
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Post by cactusjames on May 6, 2008 14:42:22 GMT -5
The thing I'm forgetting, the most important thing, Angle is smarter. Prime isn't as important when you got ring psychology. Like you said Corture, Ali when he whooped Foreman, if you were to make a comparison to baseball, Mussina's last three starts. He doesn't have his best stuff anymore, but he still has the mechanics and the smarts to be effective. I say Angle still is the best wrestler in the world today.
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Post by MSBNYY on May 6, 2008 14:53:17 GMT -5
But unlike those guys, do we really know how smart Angle would be in a REAL MMA fight? By gut feeling, I would think you're right. Ali beat Foreman with his brains. Same when Leonard beat Hagler. It happens. Brains can make up for declining physical skills. I agree with that 100 percent.
I really wish this fight wasn't hypothetical. I think it would take Angle a lot of time to train for it though.
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