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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 19, 2009 15:09:25 GMT -5
So Boston offered Jason Bay $60 million for 4 years. $15 million a year for Jason Bay, and he turned it down.
$15 million for a guy that hit under .270 in 2 out of the last 3 seasons? Boston was insane to make that offer, but Bay is more insane to turn it down. In this economy, he will have limits as to where he can go. I wonder if he signs for less later.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 19, 2009 15:46:04 GMT -5
Watch the Yankees offer him more. Thats their style.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 19, 2009 16:15:37 GMT -5
Not really. If the Yankees are going to sign a righty with pop, it would be Holiday. I don't think Bay's a good fit for the Yankees.
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Post by mac0822 on Nov 19, 2009 16:18:35 GMT -5
Bay thinks he can get 5 years at $15M per year. I'm glad they are only offering 4. If that isn't good enough for him, then he can go beg NY to give it to him. I'd rather they let a kid play then cave and give him a Yankee type contract. I'd rather have Lackey for that money anyway.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 19, 2009 16:21:15 GMT -5
Lackey's another issue. He's very good, but not an ACE. Plus, he's been injured the last 2 seasons and hasn't thrown 200 innings in a few years. He will likely get a 4-5 year contract, and he's in his 30s. Can you seriously see him even putting up the SAME numbers in Fenway for the duration of that contract?
I actually think his best bet is the NL.
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Post by 9 on Nov 19, 2009 18:44:04 GMT -5
I think Bay is making the same mistake that a lot of these guys have made over the past couple of years. Look at Abreu. I'm not saying Bay isn't a better player, but did anyone think Abreu would end up signing for one year and $5M. I know the Angels extended him, but still. I think Boston's offer was very fair, and I can't see anyone else topping it.
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Post by mac0822 on Nov 19, 2009 20:29:21 GMT -5
If NY isn't a major player, then those guys need to realize the price will drop. The only way for these guys to get unreal money is to at least pretend the Yankees are in on them.
I agree - Bay isn't getting better than a 4/60. He's just not good enough to pull more in this market unless the Yankees want him.
As for Lackey, I'm not sold on him being nasty. Thing is - you don't have to be an 'ace' to get a fat contract. He'd be a good 2-3 starter and has a good post season resume. He's 'worth' a decent contract offer, but he's not a guy I jerk off about either.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 19, 2009 22:13:41 GMT -5
A lot of teams would like to have Bay. Yeah, the money is ridiculous, but for every guy who burns himself by turning down money, others still get their money. As to Lackey, he's no super-solid ace, but if he goes to Boston I will not be doing flips of joy. It surely wont hurt them.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 20, 2009 7:02:23 GMT -5
That's the thing--both Bay and Lackey are good players to have, but not superduper stars.
I still can't believe JD Drew got the deal HE got a few years ago. But that said, the recession is what it is, and even in baseball, people are affected.
I don't even think the Yankees would go 4/60 for a guy like Bay. Why should they? He's a righty, and not THAT good. Plus, if Cashman follows his recent pattern, he will look 2 offseasons ahead instead of just focusing on this winter. Assuming he does test the market, it doesn't make sense to sign Bay long term if you want to make a run at Crawford.
I think Mac's assessment of Lackey is fair. Good #2-#3 starter, probably closer to #2. Yes, they do get good contracts. Look at Burnett. He would probably make just about any team better, but isn't worth breaking the bank over. Plus, it should be a fairly major red flag that the Angels don't seem to give a crap about him bolting. The Angels are not only one of the top 4 teams in baseball, they are a relatively big market and carry one of the higher payrolls.
For them to let go of a guy who has served them as well as Lackey has, says something.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 20, 2009 7:59:05 GMT -5
Balls, please, lets not downgrade Jason Bay. Averages over 30 homers a year, and over 100 RBIS AND runs a year, batting .280 along the way. For most of his career he carried bad teams. There are plenty of teams who will want him at admittedly ridiculous money for anyone, watch it play out.
And Im starting to get tired of the Crawford nutsack gobble on here. HE is the one who is overrated. While Bay is averaging the numbers above, Crawford has averaged 13 HR per, 75 RBI per, a .295 average (to Bays .280 which also comes with much more potent numbers) - Crawford has him beat in stolen bases, but so do a heap of outfielders.
Sometimes i think some of you guys are sexually attracted to Crawford, the way you go on and on about him.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 20, 2009 7:59:41 GMT -5
Balls, please, lets not downgrade Jason Bay. Averages over 30 homers a year, and over 100 RBIS AND runs a year, batting .280 along the way. For most of his career he carried bad teams. There are plenty of teams who will want him at admittedly ridiculous money for anyone, watch it play out.
And Im starting to get tired of the Crawford nutsack gobble on here. HE is the one who is overrated. While Bay is averaging the numbers above, Crawford has averaged 13 HR per, 75 RBI per, a .295 average (to Bays .280 which also comes with much more potent numbers) - Crawford has him beat in stolen bases, but so do a heap of outfielders.
Sometimes i think some of you guys are sexually attracted to Crawford, the way you go on and on about him.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 20, 2009 8:28:11 GMT -5
Tom, please, don't upgrade Jason Bay, who hit under .270 in 2 out of the last 3 season, including a Nick Swisher type .249 in 2007. Not to mention that the guy is another human strikeout machine.
Jason Bay is no Carl Crawford. Those of us who can understand that HRs are not the only statistic can realize that. Bay is closer to Swisher than he is to Crawford. But of course Bay is much better than Swisher.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Nov 20, 2009 8:46:39 GMT -5
IF Crawford were to leave TB, and that's a big IF, I don't see him in Pinstripes...... He couldn't handle it.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 20, 2009 8:47:18 GMT -5
What makes you say that?
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Post by Chris on Nov 20, 2009 13:21:39 GMT -5
Got in late on this. Uhhhh...Jason Bay would be a MONUMENTAL upgrade over any present Yankee outfielder.
If there's even a remote possibility of signing Bay, I'm all for it.
Having said that, Bay is no Crawford. Aside from Torii Hunter or Ichiro, I don't think there's an outfielder in baseball I'd rather have over Crawford.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 20, 2009 14:00:02 GMT -5
So why take up spots in the outfield, when there's a guy you'd rather have, just 1 year out of free agency? Why tie up another spot in the outfield for 4 years by a guy in his 30s, when you also have Austin Jackon waiting in the wings.
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Post by Chris on Nov 20, 2009 14:14:40 GMT -5
Because Jason Bay is an All Star caliber player who can be had now...and there's no guarantee you get Crawford down the line.
And who says you can't get Bay now and Crawford later?
Wouldn't THAT be something - Jason Bay, Carl Crawford, and Austin Jackson (assuming he lives up to billing) in the outfield.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 20, 2009 14:42:47 GMT -5
I would only be in favor of getting Bay if they can get RID of Swisher. I wouldn't want them both in the lineup.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 20, 2009 15:45:45 GMT -5
Cho, in all honesty here, what makes Crawford the superhero you make him out to be? I just dont get it. If anything, hes totally underperformed in the last few years, from people in the game.
I do agree with you Bay, on this team now, would be our best outfielder from the day he got here.
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Post by Chris on Nov 20, 2009 16:17:58 GMT -5
Tom - Carl Crawford is an ATHLETE. We have no athletes in this outfield. Oh and by the way he hits damn near .300 (what full time player do we have in the OF who can hit .300), steals a bunch of bases, fairly consistently pushes the 200 hit mark.
He's an All Star Tom, just like Bay, but with a better batting average. We not only have no athletes in this outfield, we have no LEGITIMATE All Starts.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Nov 20, 2009 23:20:22 GMT -5
I think Crawford enjoys playing in anonyminity (sp) in Tampa. He kinda glides under the radar down here. I don't know if he'd like to play in NY, hell he could have been a Yankee already but he extended his contract a few years ago and didn't have to.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 21, 2009 10:14:32 GMT -5
Extending your contract doesn't mean you don't want to be a Yankee--it could just as easily mean that he likes Tampa.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Nov 21, 2009 22:26:04 GMT -5
That's what I meant, I don't think he's anti-yankee, just content to play in peace and quiet.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 22, 2009 1:45:34 GMT -5
Jury's out on that. Let him go on the open market and see what happens.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Nov 22, 2009 8:58:27 GMT -5
I doubt you'll see him there. If anywhere, he goes back to Houston.
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Post by rlm6370 on Nov 28, 2009 3:25:32 GMT -5
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 28, 2009 10:45:37 GMT -5
Let the debate begin! Too hung over to get into this now, but Ill be back with it soon enough.
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Post by MSBNYY on Dec 8, 2009 18:09:54 GMT -5
Figgins to Seattle official. Hurts Anaheim, as of now.
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Post by heartybooooo on Feb 22, 2010 9:18:01 GMT -5
The Tigers signed Damon for $8 million and includes a no trade clause. The Tigers are suckers. That seems like overpaying at this point. And if they were willing to spend that much, why didn't they just keep Granderson? Boras does it again. He should give some of his commission to Heyman of SI who kept putting out the rumors that Boras fed him of all the teams supposedly interested.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 22, 2010 9:23:39 GMT -5
True. The Tigers totally bid against themselves. But Damon still looks like a jackass since he did turn down a 2 year deal of $14 million. Yes, he only has to make another $6 million next year, but at the same time, he left a ballpark and team that were tailor made for him, and he left a championship team for $1 million.
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