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Post by grover on Nov 13, 2007 14:52:48 GMT -5
Sorry, but I'm not talking this off the table, and I will be discussion with Marc the best way to do it.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Nov 13, 2007 14:53:27 GMT -5
I don't understand why no walks is a terrible idea..It prevents people looking for the easy way out and the only ones who may take a couple extra pitches before they swing are probably the same people who are the ones looking for the walks anyways.....
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 13, 2007 14:57:12 GMT -5
Because it means pitchers don't have to throw strikes and hitters don't have to swing. Plus, walks are part of the game. What's next, if you reach on an error, you're out anyway? That will also speed up the game.
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Post by Bad Mouth Larry on Nov 13, 2007 15:06:07 GMT -5
how about this? if you know who likes to walk, why dont the pitchers just throw fucking strikes and make them hit or strikeout. STOP THROWING BALLS you fucking dolts.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Nov 13, 2007 15:08:23 GMT -5
Larry easier said then done as remember a lot of folks who play in this don't play regularly or just once a year.........
Balls I refute what you say by saying no one that pitches in thie tournament is good enough to say I am not going to throw a strike I am going to throw it three inches off the plate....
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 13, 2007 15:17:56 GMT -5
No one's THAT good, but every pitcher is capable of throwing strikes. And walks are just a part of the game, as is batters who are dicks and look to walk.
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Post by IronHorse4 on Nov 13, 2007 15:37:06 GMT -5
No walks will take FOREVER.
And Grover, I like you a lot, but you don't have a whole lot of credibility with me when it comes to making rules at a softball game. As a matter of fact, I don't see why you're even making the rules in the first place. If anything the captains should decide that as a group after they are selected. Thanks for getting the field, thanks for organizing I guess the waiting list and the draft, but really...what else is there for you to do?
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Post by Bad Mouth Larry on Nov 13, 2007 15:44:17 GMT -5
i agree with justin!
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 13, 2007 15:49:24 GMT -5
A game should take about an hour and a half. We've been pretty good on that end, so walks aren't really that much of a delay. I can't really argue with the captains deciding, though wow I think that would be a stupid change. What's next, put the ball on a tee?
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 13, 2007 16:04:52 GMT -5
If anything the captains should decide that as a group after they are selected. Thanks for getting the field, thanks for organizing I guess the waiting list and the draft, but really...what else is there for you to do?
Traditionally, for what it is worth, the person who has picked up the field and taken the bull by the horns has always had pretty much free reign to run the show. See - Metsuckballs. Didnt Gang Bang Steve also run the show one year?
If you want to stop this, you will have to do away with that "tradition."
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 13, 2007 16:17:00 GMT -5
Actually, I never ran the show. If I had full dictator power, it would have been different.
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Post by IronHorse4 on Nov 13, 2007 16:23:33 GMT -5
And I don't recall Steve making any rules, per se. The ump was the ump, and they called the game. We have a guy who is an experienced ump. We have a set of rules that has been in place and has been largely successful over the years. What is the problem here? It sucks that some people stand up there and just take pitches. If they can handle the ridicule and shame that goes along with being absolute garbage on the softball diamond, then God bless them.
And throw them strikes. If they stand up there waiting to take pitches, you can't do anything about it.
But flat pitches....oh man is that a bad idea.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Nov 13, 2007 16:31:57 GMT -5
Grover is losing more control than Balls ever did.....
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Post by grover on Nov 13, 2007 17:00:34 GMT -5
Because I said so, that's why. Besides, this will only be up for vote if we can't get a decent crop of captains to vote from. I will ask as many people as I can, and get as many people on the list as I can. Hoe many years did Frost say he would never be a captain yet last year I was able to get him to reconsider. Let the people get their chance before we go back to old caps. Also: I'm going to propose a more important change to the game which the captains will be deciding on, and from early indications, it;s going to be a spirited debate.Anyone still think I'm trying to change things on my own? Sorry, but last year sucked. The play sucked and the way some players went about playing sucked. Aside from the winners, everyone pretty much thought the thing sucked ass. I'm trying to put something on the table for captain discussion, especially since quite a few captains have more experience in league play than I do. it's going to be a roundtable discussion that will be put to vote. Hence the 'the captains will be deciding on' part in my quote. If noting comes of it, no big deal, we'll play as always. At least I'm trying to get something we can all work on to make the game better. Maybe if you guys weren't too busy moaning like old women you'd have realized I'm not trying to run the show. Fucks sake we've ALL discussed about the captains process and people are still harping about 'who should be a captain' as if the doomsday scenario is REALLY going to happen. Sorry, but not everyone is going to get a chance, and not everyone who wants to get a crack at it will get the nod from old captains. It's pretty obvious, so I don't understand why you guys are still worried about it.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Nov 13, 2007 17:05:04 GMT -5
But flat pitches....oh man is that a bad idea.
I don't get why...When we scrimmage all the pitches are flat and just about every pitcher in the tournament the last few years threw more flat than arc.......I would just say it call it slow pitch and however the pitcher does it albeit with arc or not who cares....
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Post by grover on Nov 13, 2007 17:23:11 GMT -5
The scrimmage pitches are practically bowling. I really don't see that happening in this tournament, even if we didn't call the flat pitch.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 13, 2007 17:47:53 GMT -5
Fair enough, though sometimes things are just not broken. Last year did not suck. There was a very sloppily played game, but that had nothing to do with walks, other than the dickhead strategy. That's just part of the game. I didn't see much of it, but I heard the MFer/LOD game was actually pretty good. And the championship game was good too.
Whatever problems may exist, the style of pitching is not one of them.
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Post by jwmcc on Nov 13, 2007 18:02:42 GMT -5
"I didn't see much of it, but I heard the MFer/LOD game was actually pretty good. And the championship game was good too."
LOL!
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Post by grover on Nov 13, 2007 18:05:41 GMT -5
That championship game was good too? It was a 14-0 shut out. How is that good?
Balls, cut the act. You're forgetting how long you harped on and on about how Shane did a terrible job umping home in 06 and that 'everyone who played in a league did shitty.' If you think there were problems last year bigger than that, please let me know what they were.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 13, 2007 18:11:37 GMT -5
Balls, you're a homo.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 13, 2007 18:12:58 GMT -5
14-0 is not a bad game if one team just happens to outplay the other. LOD played a great game. No errors. One walk the entire game on both sides.
2006 was a lousy year in large part because of the pitching. It's a hitter's game. I don't know why you want pitchers duels.
Again, one walk in 14 innings of pitching in the championship game.
In the MFer/LOD game, Capone walked nobody. Milton walked 3. Dead Money, for all the talk, walked just 4 times against Jackass. Boxeaters had no walks.
I'm going by the boxscores.
So we're talking 3 games, 8 walks.
What's the issue again?
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 13, 2007 18:16:34 GMT -5
8 walks in 3 games.
In softball, thats 8 walks too many.
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Post by grover on Nov 13, 2007 18:29:15 GMT -5
Fine, I'm going to have to ruffle a few feathers:
Don't tell me what the problem was, because between showing up late and buzzing around Tom about his call you weren't even watching most of the games. I was behind the plate, I saw Dead Money wait things out. There's a reason the game went on for two hours, and that was it. Everyone was fucking working the count and trying to draw walks. Even guys like Steve who are usually the last to hem and haw about these things was getting worked up about it. They tried the same shit in the championship game and got slaughtered by Milton who was looking to throw strikes rather than Jackass who was throwing balls to be hit. Yeah, 'throw strikes', I know. Well, Milton did, and that game was a joke. Is that what we want?
Game 1: 1:18 Game 2: an un-managable, 1:51 Game 3: 1:09
The issue is that you're a fucking selfish asshole who wants things you're way. Yeah, 2006 sucked because you had a bad year, and you're masking your gripes with how things were played. Seriously, how the fuck did 2006 suck? How does one good game, two shit games top one shit game, two great games?
The answer? Who cares, as long as MSB had a good day it's fine. The fact that you're trying to defend a 14-0 blowout while saying a year where everyone had fun but you sucked shows you're worried about you're stat line above all.
If you're not going to help things, then stay out of the way and stick to keeping this board tidy.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 13, 2007 18:44:48 GMT -5
Yes, I agree that Dead Money was a stalling team. But again, that's just part of the game. And you can call me every name under the sun, but the fact is, you have never been in a league, and you know nothing about organizing anything. You are here bitching about walks, yet there were just 8 walks in 42 innings of pitching.
I was not the only one who had a bad year in 2006. The rules were changed to help pitchers, and the hitting declined universally. If you look at 2004, 2005, and 2007, there was an average of 69 hits. But not just an average. One year there were 67 hits, another 69, and another 71. In 2006, there were 58 hits.
So don't pretend that calling every pitch a strike makes no difference.
I've played modified before. I don't give a shit. But you will see a ton of strikeouts and an overall decline in offense all because you didn't like that Evan worked a walk.
Milton threw strikes, and LOD played error free. They won because they were the best team. That's exactly what we want.
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Post by grover on Nov 13, 2007 19:07:36 GMT -5
Yeah, there was a decline in hits because everyone was coming off a year where we ha over 20 walks and people tired the same malarky, and either got Ked up or shit their pants with a full count. And who did so bad? Frost? He's been trying to jack homers since day one. That's caught up to him. Gooner? MVP in 06. JW? 5-6.
Then someone went about pissing and moaning about the changes and people went right back to working the count in slow pitch softball. It makes for a shitty game and a shitty time out.
Yeah, it's not the Hitmen's fault they lost the championship game, it was the pitching rules. It's always something else. Always someone else's fault.
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Post by grover on Nov 13, 2007 19:13:50 GMT -5
Seriously, name me all these fucking softball giants who had a shitty day because of the pitching?
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Post by thecaptain15 on Nov 13, 2007 19:40:42 GMT -5
But again, that's just part of the game.
Balls the point you are missing is that most of the people that play, this is the only action they see....Most folks don't play in leagues in a highly competive environment with standings, playoffs etc. This is a one day affair and though it is nice to win, for most it is more for getting everyone together and just getting out and playing some ball, having laughs and drinking afterwards......I find it almost comical the amount of BS / bickering that goes on regarding rules, regulations and the like when for one most people only play the one day a year (and maybe a few scrimmages) and the overall talent and commitment level of the majority doesn't warrant all the BS.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Nov 13, 2007 19:42:19 GMT -5
Frost? He's been trying to jack homers since day one.
Grover actually he hasn't hit as well last couple years because he kept trying to hit it to left field to beat the shift instead of "hulking up" and belting it to right....
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 13, 2007 19:42:54 GMT -5
Balls is already on record as saying if you don't take this seriously, stay home.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Nov 13, 2007 19:44:41 GMT -5
It's always something else. Always someone else's fault.
It wasn't Snitsky's fault....
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