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Post by thecaptain15 on Nov 13, 2007 19:47:26 GMT -5
Balls is already on record as saying if you don't take this seriously, stay home.
He needs to realize that everything is not like the ultracomeptive co-ed Jewish league........
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Post by grover on Nov 13, 2007 19:47:50 GMT -5
I take everyone having a good time seriously. EVERYONE had a great time in 06, except Balls, but that was due to the treatment he got off the field.
Aside from the LOD, not many people really gave a shit about this year. I'm just trying to put something on the table for captains to discuss. It's not something that should just be cast aside.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 13, 2007 19:49:29 GMT -5
Yes Grover, everyone had a bad day because every pitch was a strike. I'm sorry if the facts don't support the claim that it doesn't make a difference. But they do.
Again, you want to go all dictator and make it modified, fine. But the result will be less hitting, and more people will have to swing at bad pitches because Grover doesn't like that there were 6 extra walks in 2007 in 42 innings.
Of course because the facts and experience don't support you, the insults will come. And because of that, I'll stay out of it. Do what you want.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Nov 13, 2007 20:03:19 GMT -5
Grover I support you..Take charge!!!!!
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 13, 2007 20:05:17 GMT -5
Grover, I'm with ya!
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 13, 2007 20:09:46 GMT -5
Tom--you're the one who used to threaten to quit over modified pitching. You'll strike out.
And people didn't have a bad time because of the PITCHING. Make it modified. I don't give a shit. But that won't make it better--except for pitchers who won't have to throw strikes to get strike calls.
By all means, throw it out there. It would be a major change in the rules. If it goes through, fine, but the people who will vote it through are going to be the top players.
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Post by grover on Nov 13, 2007 20:14:28 GMT -5
Good. Anyone willing to keep insulting me can suck my dick.
Here, I'll save anyone the trouble: If you don't like the way I'm doing things, suck my dick and go play with someone else. If you think I'm trying to gestapo the rules, too bad. Go fuck yourself and move on. My proposition will be discussed with the head ump, then given to captains for further tweaking, and finally voting. This will ot be in my hands, because I'm only one vote. This will be in the hands of the captains.
Think that's an imperialist tactic? Go change your tampon.
The fact that you are claiming I have already changed the rules when I have done no such thing, and that you are bending over backward to stop me from even bringing it up shows you are a fucking child throwing a hissy fit because things aren't YOUR way. EVERYONE had a good time in 06. You didn't, and that was your fault for trying to pull a fast one on the group with the permit. You put the bullseye on your back, and succumbed to the pressure. YOU had a bad day, everyone else seemed to have a blast.
And what's lost in you spells of stamping your feet and holding your breath is that nothing has changed. I merely told you guys what I plan to bring up for discussion. Your desperation to squash this is highlighting your selfishness.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 13, 2007 20:26:31 GMT -5
If everyone had a good time in 2006, it wasn't because of the pitching. I was hardly the only one who had a bad day. Sure everyone is still on my dick, and this tournament is about me, but that still doesn't change a thing.
Go all dictator on us. The fact is, I am not desperate. You are. It's a bad idea, and I explained why, calmly. Your argument is weak, so you are going back to the insult Balls strategy. I get it. You want this. Fine. Put it up to a vote, and I won't even argue against it anymore. It's stupid, and I've said what needed to be said. You have absolutely zero experience in playing in leagues, and don't have a clue about this kind of stuff. But you are acting like you do, and that's not a surprise.
I'm done with it. I'll help where I can, and vote where I need to. Make it modified. I don't care.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 13, 2007 20:57:16 GMT -5
I can handle modified. The fire department leagues I played in played modified. And I have never struck out playing softball in my life.
I just want the walks to stop, no matter what you guys need to do to get that done.
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Post by grover on Nov 13, 2007 21:28:00 GMT -5
EXACTLY. I'm fine with the way things are. The thing is, it seems that the group can't police itself on these matters, so we'll discuss if there is anyway to fix it. If we determine that we should leave it as is and hope people don't play like fags, then that's what we will do. Either way, captains will talk about it.
And if I'm not mistaken, modified would imply a faster flat pitch? Who says we have to go that route? What about just lowering the arc a bit and keeping it slow? Why would any change mean pro-softball pitches?
Balls you're getting all pouty because you think you're not being heard. I took in what you said, and you have a vote. You're not being shut out of this by any means. What I don't appreciate is you trying to keep me from even bringing it up. It reeks of selfishness.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Nov 13, 2007 21:29:52 GMT -5
Balls is already on record as saying if you don't take this seriously, stay home. He needs to realize that everything is not like the ultracomeptive co-ed Jewish league........ lol
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Post by nobeernofun on Nov 13, 2007 21:38:40 GMT -5
In the championship game last year I swung @ ball 4 because I did not want to walk & wound up hitting a shit ball to left for an out there by hurting my team by not getting on base by taking the walk or moving up the runner. How is that helping my team or speding up the game ? by swinging @ & or hitting bad pitches? I have a strike zone & a plan on where to hit the ball so now you want everyone to just go up hacking swinging at any BALL that's close ? I don't want that player on my team. I want players who have a plan & will work the count to get their pitch to hit. to put the ball in play moving up the runner . hit a sack fly do something to help your team win. BUT have a plan don't just go up there hacking.
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Post by grover on Nov 13, 2007 21:42:57 GMT -5
We're not talking about swinging at bad pitches, we're talking about not swinging at good pitches.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 13, 2007 21:43:58 GMT -5
Yeah, Pops. You KNOW there are people that go up there with no intention of swinging the bat. Thats what Grover is trying to kibosh.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 13, 2007 23:00:51 GMT -5
Grover, I'm not getting pouty. I'm just telling it like it is, and you started with the personal shit again. And nowhere did I say you shouldn't bring it up. I think it's a terrible idea, and that the people who vote it in will be the top athletes, and not consider the people who don't play as often.
I understand what bothered you. At least I think I do. You don't like people coming up with the strategy to walk. People who come up with the intent to walk should be kicked in the nuts.
But there were only 8 walks last year. Jackass just had a little trouble finding the strike zone. I didn't see that many pitches, but I think Marc missed ONE pitch on me. I'm sure he missed more, but I'm fairly confident that if he did, it was on the side of calling a ball a strike.
Pops' eloquent explanation drilled home a good point. You don't want to punish hitters NOT looking to walk by expanding the strike zone so pitchers don't have to throw legit strikes. It's the other extreme.
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Post by grover on Nov 14, 2007 0:07:07 GMT -5
Yeah, and it drilled home another: He passed up a walk.
Dude, I'm a catcher. I see where quite a few pitches land. It was comical. We don't need to spend 5 hours each game because people want to work the count.
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Post by jwmcc on Nov 14, 2007 0:25:06 GMT -5
This is one of the most painful threads I've ever read on the internet. Jw
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Post by elliejay21 on Nov 14, 2007 0:48:56 GMT -5
You make an excellent point. I am currently contemplating going downstairs to get some Advil after scrolling through this one...
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Post by yanksgooner on Nov 14, 2007 1:21:09 GMT -5
Shouldn't we consult the rule book for Long Island softball play? I mean, since thats the jurisdiction that the game rules will fall under anyway, we should at least honor the location of the game.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 14, 2007 6:52:00 GMT -5
Grover--people who "work the count" are pricks. But there are some cases, like Pops', where legitimately he had a walk in hand. A batter shouldn't be FORCED to swing at shit just because you don't like walks. Why should a pitcher throw strikes. There are just some aspects of the game that can't be corrected without completely altering the game. Again, there were just 8 walks this year--four by Jackass, who did not pitch in 2006.
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Post by yanksgooner on Nov 14, 2007 7:29:13 GMT -5
huh?
are you saying that a pitcher shouldn't just be obligated to throw the ball over the plate?
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Post by thecaptain15 on Nov 14, 2007 7:42:12 GMT -5
But there were only 8 walks last year
That is 8 too many for a pick up softball game......imo
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Post by thecaptain15 on Nov 14, 2007 7:44:05 GMT -5
Shouldn't we consult the rule book for Long Island softball play? I mean, since thats the jurisdiction that the game rules will fall under anyway, we should at least honor the location of the game.
Gooner, where's the BBQ? I'm in!!!!
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Post by IronHorse4 on Nov 14, 2007 8:51:59 GMT -5
Grover, if everyone had such a good time in 2006, why are we talking about changing anything? You're contradicting yourself.
And Grover, whether you see it or not, you are taking a more than a modicum of control the same way others in the past have (which isn't necessarily a bad thing). The difference is, you're being a dick about it.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Nov 14, 2007 10:03:25 GMT -5
Grover please dictate what the rules should be.......Thank you....
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Post by IronHorse4 on Nov 14, 2007 10:24:35 GMT -5
Where is the game this year anyway? Is it on Long Island?
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Post by yanksgooner on Nov 14, 2007 10:51:15 GMT -5
Yeah, me and Grover took the train out to Tone's place in LI and the 3 of us met with the parks people out there. They gave us our choice of fields at Christopher Morley park on shelter rock road in Albertson. Each permit comes with freshly dragged infield dirt, a BBQ area, power sources, and complete concession stands for all of your eating and drinking needs.
I think surely Balls can cough up the 10 bucks and get on the train to LI, and forget about his cockamamie traditions.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 14, 2007 10:57:38 GMT -5
Well, the tournament is all about me, and people's attempts to piss me off, even though I'm hardly the only one who wants this in Manhattan, since by nature, it is central to everyone. Yet, there are 4 or 5 people out of the 48 that want it in LI, so we should inconvenience the rest of the group to allow for that. I have a car, so I don't really give as much of a shit as some people think, so that might disappoint people who ride my dick like it's a roller coaster.
The game will be where it is. I don't care. But feel free to continue to bring up my name since I'm clearly in your head.
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Post by IronHorse4 on Nov 14, 2007 10:58:04 GMT -5
I like Christopher Morley Park. Just don't like the train situation out there. I guess Albertson or Roslyn would be the stop, but it's not walking distance from either place. Eh...there's enough cars around to get people there I guess.
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Post by yanksgooner on Nov 14, 2007 10:58:42 GMT -5
Who's in who's head ?
Wait...lemme get this straight.
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