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Post by grover on Sept 1, 2006 13:43:21 GMT -5
It came from HBK's book.
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Post by cactusjames on Sept 1, 2006 22:26:39 GMT -5
LOL F off Grover.
I've read in a few interviews, maybe even the one on the old board, he swears Andre had no clue. And if it says differently in "his" book, I wouldn't be suprised if it was a ghost writer or Vince wanting to rewirie histiry to make his idea great. hogan thinks he's the end all in wrestling and he's a fucking joke.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 3, 2006 9:40:56 GMT -5
The slam was planned. It would have been physically impossible to do it without planning in advance. Even with the planning, Hogan had trouble with it. See page 226 of Hogan's book.
Granted, not all facts in these books are 100 percent, but given the size of Andre, this one is very believable.
Hogan also said that had Andre not agreed to lose, he wouldn't have.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Oct 19, 2006 19:30:43 GMT -5
For those in New York on Monday, Hulk Hogan will be appearing live on Stephen A. Smith's "Quite Frankly" show to be taped that night at 5:30 p.m. The studio is across the street from Madison Square Garden and they are looking at filling it up with wrestling fans. For info on tickets you can e-mail Fran.B.Nucci.nd@espn.com.
And, for those curious, I am stuck working in LI that day.
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Post by globix on Oct 19, 2006 23:42:36 GMT -5
I don't care if Jessica Alba is there to demonstrate a pap smear, you couldn't pay me to go to see Stephen A Smith
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Post by $heriff Tom on Feb 7, 2007 10:01:37 GMT -5
So check this out. There is actually a chance that Hogan may not be appearing at Mania at all. 20 year anniversary of slamming Andre be damned. Basically, without getting too much into this, he ticked off the higher brass with some antics on the Bubba the Love Sponge radio show, where he is a regular guest. Vince's personal secretary had called him while he was on the air, not knowing this, and she ran through a list of potential WWE Hall of Famers with him over the airwaves, causing much consternation.
Enough people with enough power are incensed enough at Hogan to apparently keep him off the show, if that is what they want to do. One thing that the WWE will NOT do is cater to Hogan's every whim. There is a chance that his role would be filled by a returning Mick Foley instead.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 7, 2007 10:27:09 GMT -5
Interesting. Foley is a great legend, but he's not even close to the caliber of Hogan.
I haven't watched Raw yet, but if the storyline is going the way I'm hoping it's going, they would have Trump constantly one up McMahon. McMahon would challenge Trump to pick any wrestler to represent him against a wrestler of McMahon's choosing.
In his cocky way, McMahon would choose Khali, and the announcers would wonder who Trump would come up with.
Cue Real American, and the crowd goes apeshit.
But if they don't go with Hogan, I can't see Mick Foley stepping in and getting the same pop. Foley is great, but he's also known for losing all the big matches and putting people over.
I think that this kind of match MUST be won by the face.
Foley is not a big enough name to truly "trump" McMahon. So if it's not Hogan, the only other two that could truly make this fit would be Austin or the Rock, especially with Mr. Backlund part of TNA.
I guess Bret Hart would qualify too, but he's pretty much dead.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Feb 7, 2007 10:33:51 GMT -5
Eh, the plan right now does not involve Khali wrestling. It involves Khali seconding Vince's choice, his son Shane. Therefore the Foley thing would work fine, as it would be another one of those hardcore bloodbaths Shane so enjoys partaking in.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 7, 2007 10:44:22 GMT -5
Eh, that's kind of weak, but yeah, if that's the case, Foley would be a fine choice and it's not worthy of Hogan.
To be honest, Shane wrestling is kind of stupid. It's not a big deal to beat Shane McMahon. It IS a big deal to beat Khali.
The entire roster at his disposal, and McMahon chooses his son? Seems weak.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Feb 7, 2007 10:55:34 GMT -5
Thats one of the perks of owning the company.
Also, they will pass it off as "defending the family honor." Vince is being disrespected. His son will defend the McMahon name and legacy. Makes sense to me. And, like him or not, Shane HAS had a number of spotlight moments, especially in the hardcore genre. He has taken some insane bumps, worthy of a Mania moment.
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Post by grover on Feb 7, 2007 11:48:05 GMT -5
Hmmmmm, we'll see I suppose. I'm not really excited for Wrestlemania yet, not until AFTER No Way Out.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 7, 2007 12:31:46 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I'm a HUGE Shane McMahon fan. He HAS had some great matches, and takes some amazing bumps that he just doesn't need to do, being a billionaire and all.
But I just don't think that for this particular angle, Shane is the right guy. Vince should go with Khali and Trump should get someone on the level of a Hogan/Austin/Rock.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Feb 7, 2007 12:43:22 GMT -5
Khali sucks, and they dont want him in the ring fouling up their biggest card of the year. As a "second" he can take one big bump. I have no problems with the way this is going down.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 7, 2007 13:20:06 GMT -5
As it's working out now, there's nothing special about it. It will be just another PPV match, not a WM match.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Feb 7, 2007 13:38:31 GMT -5
And that is why you have Taker/Batista and Cena/HBK on top, for starters. The focus is not supposed to be on whatever Vince decides to do with Donald Trump.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 7, 2007 13:43:50 GMT -5
No, but title matches happen all the time, so even THEY aren't that special. Sometimes the most interesting matches involve things on the middle of the card. Something you don't see every week or every month.
The old timers' battle royale. LT v. Bam Bam. Neither were main events, but they were different.
McMahon v. Trump, eaching choosing a side. McMahon should chose an unstoppable heel like Khali. Trump would counter by choosing a heroic icon, be it Hogan or someone else. Khali being in someone's corner really serves little purpose.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Feb 7, 2007 13:49:03 GMT -5
Balls, get over it. Your ideas stink. And the fact that you bought up "the oldtimers battle royal" like that was something of lore....oh, geez. That speaks for itself. LOL! The oldtimers battle royal! LOLOL!
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 7, 2007 13:54:31 GMT -5
The old timers battle royal was very funny, and a hell of a great idea. And you seem to agree with everything they do, yet most people say the WWE stinks right now. Lackey.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Feb 7, 2007 13:58:07 GMT -5
You're kidding, right?? The oldtimers battle royal was a disaster. It ended up taking up less than 10 minutes on a 4 hour show, and that is partially due to the fact that a message was relayed into the ring to cut it short as it was a colossal flop. Come on, man. I am a huge old-time fan, but that was a joke. Figures you would like it, you would rather see Brother Love than John Cena.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 7, 2007 14:01:58 GMT -5
Brother Love can wave his hand in front of his face just as well as Cena.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Feb 7, 2007 14:05:01 GMT -5
LOL! Looking back, the "Gimmick Battle Royal" lasted THREE MINUTES AND FIVE SECONDS. 3 minutes!!!!!!!!!! And Balls is here calling it historical. LOL!
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Post by grover on Feb 7, 2007 14:07:37 GMT -5
Balls, it's Wrestlemania not the WWE All Star Comedy Showdown.
I'm sure you can watch 4 hours of a Demolition Vs. Orient Express playing Nintendo challenge or an American Idol Challenge with Duke the Dumpster and Adam Bomb, but, most folks want, you know, WRESTLING.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 7, 2007 16:23:08 GMT -5
It's Wrestlemania, not some boring regular PPV. They need things that actually are different and that make it stand out. A good WM these days is very rare.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Feb 7, 2007 16:28:29 GMT -5
Maybe to a guy like you, who chooses to watch The OC over wrestling.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 7, 2007 17:20:24 GMT -5
That's because The OC is more entertaining on many levels. But that still doesn't change that WM is generally no different than any PPV.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Feb 7, 2007 20:13:00 GMT -5
As much as it pains me I agree with Balls..I liked the old time battle royal and also the fact it lasted five minutes is perfect, don't drag it out and make it something it is not but just a pleasant diversion, see what some of the favorites of my youth look like now and a chance to chuckle and reminisce and on a 4 hour card I have no problem with that....
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Post by $heriff Tom on Feb 7, 2007 21:55:05 GMT -5
Cap, dont get me wrong - we all LOVED the battle royal and the idea of it. However, it is NOT what Mania is all about, and Balls using it as an example of "something special" for Mania is absurd, being only 3 minutes were dedicated to it, and it was a mess. It was something fun, nothing more.
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Post by grover on Feb 7, 2007 22:23:39 GMT -5
Something different doesn't necessarily equal good. Wrestlemania 2 had different, and it was terrible. What stands out more from Wrestlemaia 3? Hogan/Andre or the Midget tag team match?
And sometimes, you have to work with what you've got, and it seems like this year, they can't really play the different card, so they will play the 'best show of your life', which is what Wrestlemania is about, not 'different'. Wrestlemania is about Rock/Hogan, HBK/Angle, Austin/Hart, not about gimmick matches. They are going to have a few gimmick matches, but above all else they are going to do their best to pair the best performers to put on the best show possible.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 8, 2007 7:26:06 GMT -5
You can't compare the early WMs which were establishing the concept and MADE this Wrestlemania in the first place. You can get HBK/Angle or Austin/Hart at any PPV. Rock/Hogan was a WM worthy match, even if McMahon dropped the ball and gave the win to the Rock.
There needs to be something on the card that makes it different than other PPVs. This McMahon/Trump thing could certainly qualify, but not if somehow it turns into Mick Foley v. Shane McMahon.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Feb 8, 2007 9:23:51 GMT -5
Speaking of Hogan, this morning at midnight you can see/DVR a Hogan profile on E's "True Hollywood Story."
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