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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 1, 2010 18:13:37 GMT -5
There is no way I would part with my golden locks. Besides, I could never pull off the bald look.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 29, 2010 7:27:02 GMT -5
So what did you guys think of WM? I was considering ordering it, but $55 is too steep for a wrestling PPV, especially when the difference between a PPV and Raw isn't that high. It would be worth it only if shared with a group of people, but not $55 on my own.
Tom invited me out to LI, but the idea of getting home past midnight wasn't worth it either, though the thought was appreciated.
Tom texted me some of the results, but ultimately, the card wasn't great. UT/HBK was the most interesting match on the card, and that's ONLY because of the streak. Tip of the hat to James for using the DVD to decide that HBK was dropping the match.
Before winning, did UT mouth, "I'm sorry, I love you?"
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 29, 2010 9:07:21 GMT -5
Well, looking back on it Im sorta dissapointed in that I expected more. I was especially chagrined at how short some of the matches were, including the opening tag and the Punk / Rey match. So much for Punks proclomation they were going to "steal the show." Batista / Cena was good, I also liked HHH / Seamus. It was my kind of match. Taker / HBK was what it was, a solid effort, very dramatic. I liked the ending, when Taker told him to stay down, and when HBK wouldnt, he dropped him with the tombstone and did away with him.
Splitting the cost made this much more palatable, if I had spent $55 on this I would have been in a very bad mood. I hope those who shared the cost and time with me enjoyed themselves, though the going sentiment was people being down on the show.
Oh, Hart and Vince was terrible. The whole thing was bungled from the beginning ,and it was sad to see what was going on there. It went over like a lead balloon. I like Hart a lot, but its time for him to go. This failed.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 29, 2010 9:19:05 GMT -5
The pictures made the Hart/Vince match somewhat interesting looking. I guess it didn't turn out that way in practice.
Out of curiosity, did Hart take any bumps?
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Post by grover on Mar 29, 2010 9:52:24 GMT -5
It was a good show looking back on it, but not a Wrestlemania quality show.
I understand some angles better now, upon reflection, like Edge not getting the belt, because he's not ready for a run just yet. Cena/Batista was very good for the time they gave it, so was HHH/Sheamus. HBK/Taker was also very good, and was a great way to end the show.
Hart/Vince was terrible. Way too long, and at no point was it interesting. The crowd was dead because there was no Drama. It was 11 minutes of Hart beating up on Vince, which might have sounded funny to some on paper, but in practice it was bad. One of the Torch Reax made a good point saying it didn't feel right, and that it had a borderline heel turn feel to it. Totally bungled.
-Balls, Hart took no bumps whatsoever. It was 11 minutes of Hart kicking his ass.
Honestly, I think they could have extended every match by at least three minutes if they didn't show the same video packages over and over again. How many times did we see the video with the Native American Story Time music? Or the vince/Hart montage with that terrible emo song?
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 29, 2010 10:50:39 GMT -5
1 - I give the company I watched it with 5 stars
2 - I give Dana's baked ziti 5 stars
3 - I give the first annual Wrestlemania Book Swap 5 stars
4 - I give the viewing of more VHS footage then I have watched in the last 10 years combined 5 stars
5 - I give Wrestlemania 2 stars. The Filet o' Fish was more entertaining....
I am glad I split the cost of this as I would have been pissed at spending $55 also. I angered Sancho by chanting TNA! TNA! 3/4s thru the show...LOL
I would have liked to see the Battle Royal....
Tag match was too quick.....
Money in the Bank stunk and that is saying alot of a match that usually is the top or in the top 2 every year...I was happy that Swagger won it as that was an unexpected surprise and it will be fun watching him walking around lisping with the case for a while.
Punk/Rey disappointement..I would have liked to see Rey lose and see him forced into the SES for a while (which could have been fun) but I guess that would have hurt plastic mask sales.......
HHH/Sheamus was pretty good though I was hoping against hope that Sheamus would actually win. I also hate when a guy hits some finishers on HHH and then HHH wins with the pedigree "out of nowhere"
Cena..predictable..boring..more of the same..at least it didn't end the show....
Divas were what they were though I never tire and am always entertained by "Excuse Me!"
Jericho/Edge was OK could have been much better but at least Jericho won.
HHH/Undertaker though a good match after last year the bar was raised too high plus they had to recreate a lot of the moves already done....Nice that HBK lost as we all lamented how James would take HBK's "retirement" and also so Midget Mike could hold an 18-1 sign at next year's Wrestlemania if we attend.
In conclusion I agree that Storm be renamed Santino and am looking forward to the possible new HD TV for Summerslam!
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Post by grover on Mar 29, 2010 11:35:36 GMT -5
The Filet o' Fish was more entertaining....
Give me dat fish!...................WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 29, 2010 12:22:24 GMT -5
Just READING about the Cena match made me bored. I guess that's a problem when someone has been at the top for a long time--especially as a face.
Any time Cena wins a PPV or the belt, I get annoyed. And I recognize his talent. I just like it better when he loses. I don't mind him chasing the belt, but I can't stand it when he has it.
I get the point about this being a good show, but not a WM quality show. Thinking about it, more often than not, WM has been a disappointment for me. But this year, even the card didn't matter much.
It wasn't that exciting or well hyped for me.
I can see why Bret didn't take any bumps. It's too dangerous. I could see UT/HBK ending the show. Surprised a little bit, but it makes sense since it was the most interesting match on the card.
I'm glad the streak continues. I just hope they don't give us HBK/UT III next year.
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Post by grover on Mar 29, 2010 12:36:56 GMT -5
The Cena/Batista match was good. Not boring at all, and one of the better matches. Still short for Wrestlemania, IMO.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 29, 2010 12:56:22 GMT -5
The results alone make it boring. I don't even think that's Cena's fault though. I just think he needs to do what HHH did and move away from the belt.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 29, 2010 13:05:57 GMT -5
Shawn’s career ends on a highBy ROB McNICHOL Published: Today Add a comment (10) WRESTLEMANIA is always billed as the grandest stage of all. To main event means to have reached the pinnacle of the wrestling profession, but it also brings great pressure to perform and excel. Many have tried and failed, including Triple H and Randy Orton in last year's closing bout. This year it fell to WWE's grandest old stagers — Undertaker and Shawn Michaels — to step up and accept the accolade of finishing WWE's biggest night of the year, and they had to do so under trying circumstance. For the show before then had been one of seriously mixed emotions. Full of small highs and one debilitating low. It was a night that began with a short tag team title bout with champions Big Show & Miz taking on John Morrison & R-Truth. The champs retained in a solid but uninspiring affair. They were followed by the Legacy implosion Triple Threat, with Randy Orton fighting former protégés Cody Rhodes and Ted DiBiase. This actually turned out to be a little gem with a cleverly booked match seeing Orton scheme his way to victory — but only after Cody and Ted had a falling out. The two former students ganged up on the master, but when Ted went for a pin Cody was not happy and Randy soon took advantage of the dissention. A beautiful double hanging DDT was followed by a punt to Cody's neck and an RKO to Ted, and Orton emerged victorious. Ten men entering the Money in the Bank match to claim a future title shot felt like overkill on paper and in practice it was even worse. Sure it was entertaining, with some great moves, but it was too much of a cluster and paled in comparison to previous MITB bouts and even the recent spotfests on TNA's Destination X show. Smart money seemed to be on Drew McIntyre for this, while hearts seemed to be with Christian or perhaps Kofi. So there were surprised expressions all round when Jack Swagger, after a little bit of trouble with the catch, claimed the briefcase. He wouldn't, as he threatened on Raw, cash it in later in the night, though. Like Randy Orton, the other of last year's main eventers, Triple H, also found himself in the top half of the programme, perhaps indicating a lack of faith in his match with Sheamus. People needn't have doubted, because Hunter talked the Irishman through a really neat Mania debut before ending him with the Pedigree. It was far from stellar, but perhaps exceeded expectations and was nowhere near the worst thing on the PPV. Some had predicted that Rey Mysterio and CM Punk had the potential to steal the show and they may have done so had they been given more than a 10 minute slot, which included entrances from the pair featuring a Punk promo and Rey dressed as an Avatar character. The match, short though it was, was very exciting. The pair put together some lovely sequences and counters, with Rey ultimately winning via his usual 619 and springboard splash finish. If the shortness of this match was a disappointment, however, then the length of the match following was akin to disaster. Waiting thirteen years for Bret Hart v Vince McMahon at WrestleMania turned out to be the equivalent of queuing all night at the Ivy only to be served mouldy cheese on stale toast. Hart v McMahon was a letdown of epic proportions. Firstly, Vince's big 'screwjob' reveal was that he had paid off the Hart family to be on his side as lumberjacks, but Bret anti-climactically turned this on its head immediately, revealing his family were actually on his side, in a clunky promo. What followed was nearly 15 dull minutes of Bret beating Vince up slowly, including many chair shots and culminating with the Sharpshooter. It can only be through deserved respect built up over the last twenty years that the fans did not boo this tepid encounter. Truly sad to see. Chris Jericho and Edge had the misfortune of trying to revive the flaked out crowd and had they performed this match as the main event of, say, Night of Champions, we'd likely be raving about a cracking match. However, the legacy of Hart/McMahon and perhaps the lack of a potent feud building up to this point. As it was Chris Jericho prevailed, with the story of the match being Edge's inability to nail his beloved Spear and Jericho's cunning allowing him to capitalise on a ref bump to nail Edge with the title belt and then hit a Codebreaker for the win. Next up was more puzzling booking as the WWE Divas took to centre stage. Some had declared this match an afterthought but that must be inaccurate, as evidence would indicate that it was given no thought whatsoever. After two minutes of insignificant action, the heels took over and allowed Vickie Guerrero to hit the worst frog splash of all time, making Hornswoggle look like RVD at his peak. Michael Cole, probably under instruction, called it a "Hog splash" in a sickening move and there even was time to botch a pinfall before this ended. Then suddenly WrestleMania got good. Very good indeed. The intensity of the recent Raw promos between John Cena and Dave Batista translated into a great world championship match between the pair. Eventually, after taking all that Big Dave could throw at him, Cena reversed a Batista Bomb into and STF to make the big guy tap out. To this point, it had been a mixed night. Many were even ready to call it the worst WrestleMania in history. And then Michael Hickenbottom and Mark Calaway entered the beautifully lit University of Phoenix stadium. Under a clear Arizona sky these two men, better known to the world at Shawn Michaels and The Undertaker, went and saved WrestleMania. If last year they put on a five star match then this was four and ninety-nine one hundredths, hampered only by a couple of awkward spots and the very noticeable lack of JR on commentary, the latter point being hardly Shawn and Taker's fault. Advertisement It was a match which didn't seem as if it would ever end, but neither did we want it to. A glorious denouement to an epic clash between two of wrestling's greatest ever titans. Numerous Tombstones and Sweet Chin Musics seemed to indicate the conclusion, but neither man would lay down for more than two seconds. Finally, Undertaker had had enough, and after selling disbelief at Shawn's inability to give in, delivered the most telling Tombstone of his career. A three count later, and we had confirmation that the Streak will live on. This was a glorious moment to be a wrestling fan. Emotions circulated through us as we were thrilled by what we had just seen, but upset by the prospect of never seeing Shawn Michaels in a wrestling ring again. The woes of earlier in the night were forgotten, at least temporarily. As Shawn Michaels exited WrestleMania, possibly forever, Jerry Lawler spoke for the entire world, uttering: "Shawn, it's over. Goodbye. We will miss you." Here, here. We give WrestleMania 7 out of 10, for the last two matches alone. Read more: www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/wrestling/2911725/WWE-Wrestlemania-26-review-Shawn-Michaels-career-ends-on-a-high-as-he-loses-to-The-Undertaker.html#ixzz0jaeHzQ1y
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Post by sean on Mar 29, 2010 13:19:33 GMT -5
until they get rid of the stupid spinner belt, i will always believe that Cena will be the next champ, that someone else is just keeping it warm for him until he earns it back, against all odds
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 29, 2010 17:45:00 GMT -5
Still very upset at the last night, despite seeing the ending coming a mile away. That's the problem with the PG shit, anyone with slightest bit of literary knowledge can see the foreshadowing a mile away and it takes away from the outcome.
Was it a good match yeah, but I had no doubt the outcome, there was really no drama in it for me at least. Last year, I knew Taker was winning but somewhere in the match they had me thinking for a while that Shawn would actually do it. Not so much this year. And I don't like the way HHH and Shawn ended, with Shawn retiring you'd think they'd make it a little more special between those two.
And don't get started with me on being biased, I went four and a half years without HBK I know what it's like to still watch and love wrestling without him, there's just things I would have done differently. I'm not so dumb to think he'd wrestle forever, I knew it had to end, not to say he should be given a Flair send off, but it could have been a little better.
That being said the rest of the show sucked. Booo on WWE for not live streaming the HOF and screwing everyone over just to have shit on the extras section of the DVD. HBK for the HOF next year and let it be known, now with Shawn out of the picture, now it's down to one. Now if you'll excuse me I have more drinking to be getting on with. And classless move with the pic, can't even pay respect to the greatest in ring performer ever. Some tan bald guys kid acts like an asshole and kills someone, everyone feels bad for Hogan. Kirk or Spock has a birthday and huge pics on the main page. Shawn retires, not even one decent pic to celebrate the man. And to take it further, I'd like to think I'd get a little sympathy and maybe get thrown a bone in this trying time. You know, just one classy pic of Shawn, like maybe after he won the Iron Man match. Or an old school pic with him and the IC belt with white strap. Or after he won the first Elimination Chamber match. Or an original DX pic like when they're sitting on the stage holding up signs and I'm pretty sure it was during an Ahmed Johnson match and Shawn's eating a banana. That isn't fitting enough? I'd even settle with Shawn being helped to the back after the first Hell in a Cell. Nah, I don't even get that.
It must be nice having a favorite wrestler who won't go away for a paycheck even though he can't even do the limited malarky that made him a star in the first place. You guys are lucky idolizing a douche bag who doesn't even care about the business.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 29, 2010 18:15:13 GMT -5
James--the TOP PIC was of Shawn Michaels and the Undertaker!
Hulkamania is still running wild, while HBK is done until his next match.
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 29, 2010 18:40:17 GMT -5
Yeah, Taker pinning Michaels, I just thought that since people think of themselves as respectful to the business, whether you're a fan or not his contributions to wrestling can't be denied and I thought maybe, maybe more as a favor to me than anything a favorable pic of HBK could get put on top.
And Balls, Hogan can hardly walk, the only running Hulkamania does is from the bed to the bathroom 5 times a night cause the old man can't hold his bladder. And you can bet you're ass he's winded before he even gets to the bowl.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 30, 2010 6:03:38 GMT -5
Even if that were true, Hogan taking a shit on the floor from exhaustion could draw a bigger pop than anything HBK does.
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Post by grover on Mar 30, 2010 10:53:19 GMT -5
Hulkamania needs to draw above a 1 in the Monday night ratings first.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 30, 2010 11:19:03 GMT -5
I knew it had to end, not to say he should be given a Flair send off, but it could have been a little better.
James I have to agree with you.........Though he had a great speech the evening did not have the same feel and "specialness" that Flair's night had.....I was very surprised by that but I guess since Flair had a bigger build up time wise regarding the "retirement angle" is probably a big reason...Even the Wrestlemania match itself did not feel special for me and that was because of last years and the match already having happened......
Raw was good last night..Anytime you get to see Tony Garea ringside and actually mentioned by name moves the show up a few notches in my book. Like I said yesterday I think I am going to like Swagger with the case.......So now are Orton and Cena best buddies??? LOL
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Post by grover on Mar 30, 2010 11:21:10 GMT -5
Yeah, you knew for months that Flair was gone.
This had what? A few weeks build up? Plus HBK is way younger than Flair, so it actually added a bit of intrigue to the match.
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 30, 2010 16:51:42 GMT -5
Thanks Balls, feel right into my trap, Sawyer would be proud of that con. I knew asking would get the worst pic of HBK possible. And the reason i wanted that and you made a great selection, because look at what he did to himself for the business? Whether it was being a bump machine or just taking shit week after week, he always gave up a part of himself to entertain everyone else. Not too many people have the balls. Yeah, he gets a lot of talk when biggest egos are mentioned, but all I keep thinking about now is how much he gave of himself to put something or someone over. He made you look better than you were if it was Angle or Tatanka, you knew you were going to see the best Kurt Angle or the best Tatanka when they got in there with Shawn. So thank you balls for providing evidence to support me theories.
And as for last night, I was very depressed and really more angry than anything else. Then Hunter came out and got a nice Kliq reference, and that's when I started to feel it sinking in. Then Bret said what he said about Shawn which I thought was one of the classiest things I've ever seen(and if it wasn't Shawn's farewell, moment of the night would have been the Owen chant when Bret showed his shirt on the big screen).
But the speech was where I got to whatever step acceptance is. For me, when you think how the career could have ended, he didn't even get a sendoff. He passed the torch to the Austin/Attitude era, gets laid out by Tyson and that's how he leaves. That's why for me, his career always felt incomplete. Body of work was always there, the legacy would have still been there but he did too much for the business to go out as an afterthought. So this was the full circle moment for me, he put someone over and jobbed as is tradition on your way put the door, but still was able to say goodbye, and marks like me could say Thank You and good bye.
And when Hunter came out crying, that's when I lost it. And I thought I was bad when Naitch retired, 3 days of crying, non of that matches the 15 minutes last night got out of me. And me, being the ultimate, longtime, die hard HBK fan, Hunter is what got it actually to happen, what got it built up was what I heard so many times as a kid and loved, The Heartbreak Kid Shawn Michaels has left the building. That's when I felt at peace, he finally got what he deserved.
But in all seriousness, Taker can never top these past two Mamia's, he needs to retire as well asap. Shawn was the only one with the right idea. Next year, if Taker wrestles at Mania, it is going to be such a let down because he won't have the quality wrestler across from him like HBK.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 30, 2010 17:28:31 GMT -5
If I were Taker why would I ever retire..he disappears for months at a time..comes back right before the big PPVs, hardly wrestles, mostly just appears out of the dark to choke slam someone then disappears and I am sure he is making a couple million doing it....
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 30, 2010 17:53:09 GMT -5
I just mean from a quality standpoint, Taker won't have better matches than these two. And if you want to make the streak this huge selling point, there's got to be some doubt or whatever you wanna call it than Undertaker can keep the streak alive. Next year he might be able to have a good match with Shelton Benjamin, does anyone think he's going to beat the streak? There will never be this kind of drama again when thinking about if the streak will make it another year. I just don't think either guy can top what they did the past two years, Michaels is smart retiring. But with Taker, you're never going to think the streak is in trouble like people did for the past two Mania's. If it isn't broke don't fix it, but if you can't top it, don't try.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 30, 2010 18:33:08 GMT -5
$$$$ trumps quality......
Everyone has their price...........LOL
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 30, 2010 19:18:16 GMT -5
I get that, I'm not saying I don't understand why he is sticking around, I'm just saying there won't be more drama over the streak past this. It won't be bigger or better than what it was, the streak will never mean as much as it did these past two years.
An idea I read that I liked would have been HBK winning this year, and next year, a career vs career rubber match. That match would be huge but then no streak, but that would have been huge money there, guess HBK just didn't want it to go on any longer.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 31, 2010 6:28:10 GMT -5
The only problem with patting yourself on the back for your little "con" is that we were already doing that theme before you complained. A real con would be to say how much you like the bad pictures to see if you can get some good ones put up.
Newsflash, every wrestler does stuff like that for the business. Whether it be the Kiss My Ass Club, or a bloody beat down, to jobbing to people well beneath you, it's nothing special.
There are exceptions, like Bret Hart refusing to job in Canada, which I still think is stupid, but HBK shouldn't be commended for anything you see in this week's pictures.
If you say that HBK was and is a phenomenal wrestler capable of getting his opponents to look better, I'd agree. But let's not make him out to be a saint. His ego was a huge problem in his initial title run. He refused to get people over at the height of his career. The post return mature HBK was much better in this regard.
I haven't watched his farewell speech yet. Looking forward to it. I did see the Owen pop. THAT was awesome and proves that the whole "out of sight/out of mind" thing is crap.
I'm sure HBK will be back eventually. I highly doubt we've seen the end.
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Post by heartybooooo on Mar 31, 2010 7:53:35 GMT -5
Maybe he can rejoin the Kliq in TNA. And say hi to Flair.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 31, 2010 8:32:40 GMT -5
Despite the piss poor marketing from last year, TODAY is the 25th anniversary of Wrestlemania.
March 31, 1985.
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Post by cactusjames on Apr 2, 2010 10:19:45 GMT -5
See there's where I disagree slightly Tom. Ego, yes. Did he not want to job to certain people, sure. But whenever he was in there, he made everyone look better. Despite not wanting to job back in the day, when he did the guy who won got a nice rub, and he lost nothing. He always looked good in defeat. Some of his best matches are losing efforts. And when he gor shit for not signing off on certain skits cause of his religion, he let Vince book him in a match with God, his wife watched him get the shit beat out if him.
For the rep he got for never giving back to the business, I don't get it. Did he have problems, yes, But at certain times, he gave more of himself than most. Especially his body.
And STOP crucifying him for his ego. His ego is the size on an ant compared to Hogans, HBK gave back way more so stop acting like his ego was so bad. His ego made him as great as he was on his first run.
So no, you gave me exactly what I want with the pics because I won't even say Hogan, 95% of the guys in the business won't humble themselves like HBK did.
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 2, 2010 10:30:18 GMT -5
Actually, his SUCCESS is ant size compared to Hogan's, but his ego was every bit as bad.
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Post by grover on Apr 2, 2010 10:49:23 GMT -5
Everyone's was back then.
Hogan's might have been the worst, then Flair.
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