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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 2, 2006 14:54:18 GMT -5
With Yankee fans like Tom, the Yankees don't need enemies. Still doesn't change that it is possible for the better team to lose, and it's happened many times over the years, rings or not.
And I will remind you of these things as often as possible if only for the fact that it annoys you.
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Post by grover on Oct 2, 2006 15:01:29 GMT -5
And we will remind you that the better team always wins. If the Yanks were better, they would have won. Even if your excuse is applicable, it shoots your argument in the foot. How many teams of the past were able to overcome greater odds, play hurt, overcome bad calls, and even overcome being down in a Series to come back to win? Don't the best teams overcome these situations? And You're telling me that the reason this team lost is because they had nothing left after the Red Sox ALCS win? So, if that's the case, shoudn't the Red Sox have lost ot the Cards the very next year? LOLOLOLOL!!!! Your argument has more holes than a insurgent hideout in Baghdad.
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 2, 2006 15:04:58 GMT -5
You can "remind" me of that all you want, but it will still be flat out false. There are such things as upsets. Sometimes, the better team does not always win. Things happen.
And the 2004 LCS was NOT the same thing as 03. It was not a back and forth draining battle. The Sox won four straight, and Game 7 has zero drama. It was over in the 1st inning.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Oct 2, 2006 15:06:07 GMT -5
Cause the Red Sox were a better team.
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Post by grover on Oct 2, 2006 15:10:13 GMT -5
LOL So it went from the 03 Yanks partying too hard to being too tired because of the drama? LOL!!
Jeff Weaver was telling himself "Oh man I suck really bad right now. I can't pitch well because we had such a dramatic win against the Red Sox a week ago, it's still with me and I can't get over it!!"
David Wells said "Wow, too bad I partied too much last week, it's affecting my out of shape body now, and I have to quit on my team."
rbghoiaerhgoiraewhgioarwehgborwehweg;sdg;s;pp;plololololooooooooooolllll!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 2, 2006 15:16:59 GMT -5
It's all part of it. I can't believe this isn't registering.
Whether the 04 Red Sox were the better team is debateable, though I'm sure you are getting off saying it.
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Post by Chris on Oct 2, 2006 15:19:59 GMT -5
My point, Grover, is that the Red Sox were only your most hated rival in 2004 because they were good. Same with 2003 and the rest of the recent years. There have been huge periods of time when either the Red Sox sucked, or the Yankees sucked, or both sucked to the point that hating one another was the least of our worries. There have been WAY MORE meaningless Red Sox vs. Yankees games than there have been meaningful ones. There has never been a Dodgers/Yankees game to date that hasn't been a HUGE deal (with the advent of interleague play, that statement may soon become obsolete).
Again with the basketball analogy - I look at the Dodgers/Yankees like the Lakers/Celtics. I'm sure Lakers fans hate the Sacramento Kings or the San Antonio Spurs a lot more than they consciously give the Celtics even a second thought...but in the end, either the Kings or Spurs would be a stepping stone to get to the Finals...and if they should reach the finals and have to face the Celtics by chance, then ALL of that history comes immediately back in to the forefront, and all of a sudden that series is the biggest thing going in sports.
With the Mets…well, yeah, I haven’t lived in New York in a long time, but my feeling is that the Mets will always be the alternative team. The Mets will always be the team that fickle New Yorkers will turn to only when the Yankees aren’t good. Even if the Mets were to win a World Series against the Yankees, the Yankees still beat them in 2000 and still have 26 titles, and Babe Ruth, and Mickey Mantle, and Joe DiMaggio, and all the legends, and ghosts, and history, etc. Mike Piazza is the biggest Mets legend going, and he’s still playing. I don’t know…the Mets just don’t seem to evoke an emotion in me, and probably other passionate baseball fans, the way the Yankees do, the Dodgers, the Cubs, the Red Sox, etc…. Even though the Mets started before I was born, they still have a stigma with me similar to that of the Devil Rays, Diamondbacks, Blue Jays…whether they’re good or bad, they’re just sorta taking up space on schedules while the “real” teams create baseball history.
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Post by 9 on Oct 2, 2006 15:28:19 GMT -5
But you don't have to deal with Mets fans on an everyday basis. You should hear the carrying on around here when they beat us in a simple interleague game. The thought of losing to them in a World Series makes me ill.
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Post by grover on Oct 2, 2006 15:29:35 GMT -5
Not true. When the Islanders and Rangers sucked their battles still spit hate, because they are huge rivals, even bigger than Red Sox/Yankees.
The Raiders suck right now, and so do the Chiefs. If they play next week, that game will be war.
Record does not make a rivalry less meaningful. Lakers and Kings are smalltime rivals, no history is there yet. Give it another 20 years of going back and forth and then you have something.
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Post by 9 on Oct 2, 2006 15:53:31 GMT -5
Shaq got that one going when he called them the Queens.
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Post by Chris on Oct 2, 2006 15:54:16 GMT -5
I don't know what it's like to live amongst Mets fans, but I do know what it's like to live amongst Angels fans who, despite missing the playoffs altogether, take glee in the fact that they "have the Yankees number." It's annoying as hell.
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 2, 2006 16:18:19 GMT -5
Met fans suck. That's about the gist of it.
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Post by grover on Oct 2, 2006 16:26:39 GMT -5
Cho, if you sat in the Stadium and watched Red Sox fans hug each other as if they were long lost brothers meeting for the first time in years, knowing it was their year, you'd feel differently about the 04 series. douchebags were snapping pics of us staring off into space, laughing. All this while a big mob hovers around the Sox dugout, celebrating with the other Sox fans.
Worst
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Ever
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Post by Chris on Oct 2, 2006 16:32:12 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think I could have standed being AT Game 7 of the 2004 ALCS.
My worst feeling inside Yankee Stadium was watching the Astros no-hit the Yankees with something like 6 or 7 different pitchers.
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Post by 9 on Oct 2, 2006 19:53:25 GMT -5
One of the worst things about 2004 is that we will always, always, constantly be reminded of it. It's worse than being a Cowboys fan and seeing that lucky-assed Dwight Clark catch at least once every time I sit down to watch football. You could be flipping channels and stop on some random NHL playoff series, and if a team's down three games to none, the 2004 ALCS will be mentioned.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Oct 3, 2006 9:03:41 GMT -5
A little miffed with myself. When I left home this morning grabbed my MP3 player as usual, and left my walkman behind. Could have used that walkman to catch some of that 4PM tilt on the LIRR ride home today. Ah, well, I got the 1PM game to kill a few hours of the work day.
How funny is it that Jokeland is playing today at 10AM California time.
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Post by grover on Oct 3, 2006 9:23:38 GMT -5
It's kind of funny though. I'd like to be at a morning game, and then have the rest of the day to fuck around. Might be a fun day out.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Oct 3, 2006 10:31:31 GMT -5
Well, the game is in Minny, but you know the sports bars are filled with guys having mugs of ale with their bacon and egg sandwiches.
Even if you are anchored to a desk in Oakland, what better way to whittle the time in the morning than listening to your team play? Hell, your lunch break may not even come till after the game is over.
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Post by grover on Oct 3, 2006 10:40:04 GMT -5
I know, it still would be cool to go to and early, early game. Don't they do that in Boston? Wasn't one of the Yanks/sox games at 11 AM?
Hell, I usually take lunch at 1 and go to the gym, but I'm going to take it at noon so I can make it back in time to catch the game on the radio. this is going to be a great matchup.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Oct 3, 2006 10:49:26 GMT -5
Sox have 11AM games every Patriots Day. When they play the Yankees its cool to listen to at work.
In the Arizona short-season minor league, they play the first half of the seasons games at like 10AM. They try to beat the peak of the heat. Guys are on the field taking BP at 7:30 in the morning. I would like to be a retiree with a cooler out at one of those tilts.
I got a conference call today at 2PM. Sigh. That'll take me out of commission for a good 45 minutes or so.
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Post by ronmossad on Oct 3, 2006 11:26:37 GMT -5
81 and 01 are like getting shot in the head. 04 was like being a POW in 'Nam and tortured everyday unitl you finally roll over and die.
Exactly...it's no comparison.
And to add to that...like there was any doubt that the winner of the 2004 ALCS would run over the NLCS winner. That series WAS the World Series.
To me it was like a freight train coming from a distance. You could sort of hear it after game 4...but it got louder after game 5...by the time game 7 rolled around...Damon hit the grand slam and the sound was deafening. Suddenly, you realize that you're tied to the tracks, can't escape... and you're just wishing for it to be over already.
You could be flipping channels and stop on some random NHL playoff series, and if a team's down three games to none, the 2004 ALCS will be mentioned.
Also true.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Oct 3, 2006 12:22:41 GMT -5
Funny playoff quote, coming from Torii Hunter, talking about how the first 3 games of the A's/Twins battle are all played during the day.
"We're just a piece of meat. We were prime steak when we were playing the Yankees. Now we're just turkey sandwiches."
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Post by Chris on Oct 3, 2006 12:28:05 GMT -5
Just as the ESPN Radio announcer claimed that Thomas hits Santana well, and that it's a good match up for the A's, Thomas puts it out!
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Post by Chris on Oct 3, 2006 13:26:40 GMT -5
El Duque pulled something in Warm-Ups...getting an MRI today
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Post by Chris on Oct 3, 2006 13:39:30 GMT -5
The guy on ESPN radio just said, "Cuddyer SHALLOWER in right."
Sounded funny
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Post by elliejay21 on Oct 3, 2006 17:55:17 GMT -5
Yanks over Tigers in 5 Twins over Oakland in 4 Mets over Dodgers in 4 Cards over Padres in 5
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Post by $heriff Tom on Oct 4, 2006 13:29:32 GMT -5
LOL @ Milton Bradley being so upset about something he kicked something over and spilled coffee on the uniform of Estaban Loiaza in the dugout, forcing Estaban to have to change. LOL. Apparently this caused a bit of a rhubarb in the A's dugout.
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Post by 9 on Oct 4, 2006 13:38:43 GMT -5
Spilling burning hot liquid on your starting pitcher is NOT sound baseball strategy.
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Post by grover on Oct 4, 2006 14:32:34 GMT -5
LOL @ the Twins. They are sure spitting the bit.
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Post by 9 on Oct 4, 2006 14:52:46 GMT -5
They put so much into catching Detroit that they have nothing left.
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