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Post by mac0822 on Oct 26, 2007 9:29:40 GMT -5
It doesn't bother me as much either. It bothers me that it's not the Yankees in there. It sucks that Boston is going to win, but it would suck more if I didn't get to see my team make one of the better runs in recent history a few years ago. It will bother me if the Red Sox win the next three. Otherwise, well...they just won't equal what the Yankees did, and I'll have to settle for that. I should ask you, Mac...how does it feel to have won two World Series in 4 years and still not have it even equal what you experienced watching the Yankees in the late 90s/early 00s? Sure, it's a nice feeling being the best team in baseball this year, but if you still feel compelled to compare yourselves to the Yankees, and you really think about it objectively, it has to kinda suck. In all honestly - I watched those teams, but it seems like a lifetime ago & I really don't care about them. How far can you take that? Does it suck that they weren't as dominant as the 72-74 A's, who won 3 in a row? I'm sure you don't give a shit. It's the same thing. I also feel like it's much harder to win multiple titles now than ever a decade ago. |
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 26, 2007 9:31:44 GMT -5
That's the thing--when the Yanks won 4 out of 5, I know I wasn't sweating Boston the way Red Sox fans are still sweating the Yanks. In fact, the only time they were on my radar from 1996-2001 was in the 1999 LCS.
I don't really get upset at what's going on with Boston in terms of expecting to win. That's what championship teams do. It's not something exclusive to Boston right now. Clutch hitting is so important. It's what tends to hurt the Yankees in big spots, and it where Boston is currently shining.
Bandwagon fans suck. But that goes with the territory of winning. And yeah, I'll agree with Justin. Boston rattling off 3 in a row would upset me. Boston winning this year, not so much.
But I don't think it's harder to win multiple titles than when the Yankees did it.
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Post by mac0822 on Oct 26, 2007 9:36:44 GMT -5
I remember not being that bothered about the Yankees winning in 96. In fact, I ALMOST preferred them winning because I HATED the Braves so much too.
What bugs me is watching them celebrate. Then the constant sucking off of every player on the team. Just because you're on a Championship team doesn't mean you're a great player.
You can thank me later for this counciling session. I know it hurts, but you can deny it. It's ok.
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 26, 2007 9:41:02 GMT -5
The Yankees when they won, really needed all 25 people, from Derek Jeter to Homer Bush. I think that's why so many players were celebrated. The Sox, especially in 2004, really relied on Manny, Ortiz, and Pedro. But the Yankees weren't carried by anyone. They were carried by everyone.
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Post by kingdzbws on Oct 26, 2007 10:31:55 GMT -5
Ditto, Papelbon may be destined to be one of the better ballplayers, but that Lousiana Red-Neck dance he does in his underwear is down right stupid and embarrassing.
But I agree, Knobloch, Brosius, Chad Curtis, Graeme Lloyd, Chili Davis, and others are not exactly Great players, but they did help the club win in 98. Why are they so revered? The same reason Bellhorn, Millar, Meuller, and Trot are revered. They were part of a team that was very special to it’s fans…..fuck Millar threw out a pitch in this year’s postseason and he’s a player on another team now! He was dumped because he wasn’t a GREAT player, but Millahr still comes out of most Bosox fans mouths like their talking about one of Jesus’ apostles.
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Post by IronHorse4 on Oct 26, 2007 11:16:55 GMT -5
Yeah...I'm gonna call malarky here.
There is no real difference between baseball 8 years ago and baseball today, except maybe that the National League is worse (and steroid use is down, but that has nothing to do with being harder or easier to win multiple titles).
It's harder to win multiple titles now than, say, the 70s. But you're gonna tell me there's that much of a difference with regards to dynasty possibilities between now and 10 years ago?
Horseshit.
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 26, 2007 11:28:06 GMT -5
I would go a little further and say that it's harder than in the EARLY 1970s. Free agency was the biggest change in the game for dynasties. It killed Oakland. It brought the Yankees to prominence much sooner than without it, but once all the teams started really getting into it, it became much harder to win multiple titles in a row.
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Post by mac0822 on Oct 26, 2007 15:02:41 GMT -5
Assuming they go on & win. This will be a huge FUCK YOU to the following:
Roger Clemens
Johnny Damon
Pedro Martinez
Yes boys, we did it without you....
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Post by IronHorse4 on Oct 26, 2007 15:03:39 GMT -5
You already did it without Clemens, genius.
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Post by mac0822 on Oct 26, 2007 15:05:05 GMT -5
No shit. BUT...he did choose NY & their $18million for 4 wins because he "wanted a ring". If he really wanted one, he would have come back to Boston. THANK FUCKING GOD HE DIDNT or I would have trouble cheering for this team.
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Post by whalerfan on Oct 27, 2007 0:51:20 GMT -5
Mac, how are you going to feel if the likes of Papi and Johnny are called out in the steroid reports? Will 2004 be tarnished in your mind?
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Post by thecaptain15 on Oct 27, 2007 8:34:13 GMT -5
I bet Manny doesn't even know what a steriod is..LOL
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Post by grover on Oct 27, 2007 14:34:30 GMT -5
It wouldn't be tarnished to me if some Yankees were found to have used roids.
It would be hypocritical of me to think that and then root for NFL teams like it's all good.
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Post by Jackass on Oct 27, 2007 19:35:42 GMT -5
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 29, 2007 6:14:44 GMT -5
To sum this World Series up:
I was right. You people were wrong.
The Rockies were out of their league, and like I called it, it was a sweep.
The Rockies were NOT some great team. They were just a decent team on a hot streak. The hot streak is over. And as predicted by me, the series was a sweep.
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Post by IronHorse4 on Oct 29, 2007 8:11:50 GMT -5
Congratulations to the Red Sox.
The Yankees have a lot of work to do.
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Post by mac0822 on Oct 29, 2007 8:24:53 GMT -5
Got Rings?
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Post by mac0822 on Oct 29, 2007 8:25:09 GMT -5
Fuck you Johnny Damon. It was done BETTER without you. Have fun playing partime for NY for another couple years you piece of shit.
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Post by IronHorse4 on Oct 29, 2007 8:28:57 GMT -5
Um....yeah.
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Post by grover on Oct 29, 2007 9:27:12 GMT -5
To sum this World Series up: I was right. You people were wrong. The Rockies were out of their league, and like I called it, it was a sweep. The Rockies were NOT some great team. They were just a decent team on a hot streak. The hot streak is over. And as predicted by me, the series was a sweep. More like you fucking jinxed the Indians and put the Red Sox on a hot streak like the Cardinals last year. You and your fucking jinx. "Oh the Red Sox got this! Oh they got this." Good job. My ass. You've never said that about any team, ever. Mush. Thanks a lot. First you ruin section 39 with this board and now you ruin the Yankees by helping the Red Sox to another championship. I can bet my right arm you didn't watch a lick of baseball besides whatever what played on Sportscenter from the time the Yankees got bounced until now. |
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 29, 2007 9:33:02 GMT -5
You'd lose your right arm. I didn't watch much, but I did watch some. Watching Boston win a championship is not my idea of entertainment. The Red Sox DID have it.
I was right. You were wrong. You were busy sucking off the Rockies, and they did exactly what I said they would do.
All the photoshops in the world won't change that.
The Rockies simply were not in the same league as Boston. They were a hot streak team that got hot at the right time, but in reality are just an average team at best. Any AL team in the final four would have swept them.
The real WS was Cleveland Boston.
And stop crying about Heckle House. Don't blame me. Blame the people who made Section39 suck ass and couldn't get off my jock. I chose to leave. The fact that Tom had similar feelings (and had quit for 8 months on a prior occasion) is the reason WE formed this board.
We never badmouth the other board, yet people still, 14 months later, are on our jock about it. Get over it.
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Post by grover on Oct 29, 2007 9:56:59 GMT -5
I'm going to make fun of this board for as long as it exists. Tough shit. Ban me if you don't like it. If I have to put up with you jumping into every single baseball and wrestling discussion in order to start a debate, you'll have to settle for my safe for work banners.
What should have been done was Baloo and Capone who are always too busy to do anything, should have given Tom the ability to ban people. That would have solved everything. Tone barely posts, Frost barely posts, and Phil barely posts.
But, back on topic.
You rip the Rockies to shreds for the wrong reasons. Sure they were not as good as the Red Sox. No one else was. Yet you didn't just say the Red Sox were better, you came up with some hambrained notion that since the Rockies weren't good enough for you at a certain part of the season when it's not over, they sucked. Essentially, since you didn't realize the Rockies had the best NL record since May and had the best defensive % in baseball history because you didn't watch any ball outside of the Yankees, your argument is that the Rockies should be punished for not winning more games in April. Seriously, that's your argument. The Rockies don't deserve to be there because they didn't have a good April. It's a standard you would never hold the Yankees to. Most agree that the Red Sox were better, none agree that the Rockies didn't deserve to be there.
Also, you calling Hanley Ramirez a 'good' player is like saying the sun is a little hot. I remember reading a scouting report when the Reyes/Jeter debate was in full swing. This was before Reyes took a nose dive(LOL!) and one of the scouts threw in Ramirez's name and said to watch out for him to be better than both, because he had the potential to be a top 10 early on, possilby top 5 players in the game once he hits his prime. He had one of those years this year, and the fact that before the beckett trade you said he wouldn't do shit based on minor league stats and the fact that now that he's established him self he's only 'good' shows you don't watch baseball.
Oh by th way, the Rockies would have slammed the Yankees in the first round. The Yankees were fakers though and though.
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Post by grover on Oct 29, 2007 10:04:41 GMT -5
Oh yeah, and good for you to join the majority of Baseball analysts who picked the Red Sox to win the series the way they did. Actually, more like everyone outside of Colorado. Wow you sure went out on a limb!
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 29, 2007 10:04:45 GMT -5
Feel free to make fun or not make fun. Plenty of people sweat us. And I don't start any debate. I make comments, you jump on them. Your problem, not mine.
What happened a year ago is irrelevant. Tom and I have both moved on. Neither of us have the need to badmouth the other site at all.
The rest of your argument is just another example of you reading what you want to read, rather than what was really said.
The Sox DESERVER to be champions. Just because they beat an inferior team that wasn't worthy of being in the World Series makes no difference. They beat TWO teams that were good enough to get there, to GET there. It's no one's fault that the NL is not on the same level as the AL right now. Winning the AL makes you a worthy champion, hands down.
That the Rockies weren't on the same level doesn't change a thing.
They were 76-72 in late September. All talk of record is irrelevant since again, they were a .500 team until the last 15 games.
Ramirez for Beckett? Beckett led the Red Sox to a championship. The Marlins remain in last place. Trading a top tier 25 year old pitcher for 2 minor leaguers, even if one of them works out, is just dumb. The 2007 season proves that.
Ramirez has a shot at being one of the superstars of the game. But he will not do it in Florida because they will either trade him or let him go. That trade was dumb for the Marlins, and history has proven that right.
The Rockies wouldn't have even made the playoffs in the AL. They needed a miracle to get into the NL playoffs. They got it, but they were the true fakers, as Boston showed.
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Post by grover on Oct 29, 2007 10:20:44 GMT -5
And the Red Sox would not have won the World Series if they didn't exist. If the Red Sox didn't have Beckett, Ramirez, Ortiz, and a great pen they would not have won. If the Yankees had a guy like Babe Ruth and Catfish Hunter this year they would have won. If's don't count.
Sorry, but the Rockies deserved to be there. They had a really shitty April, and rebounded nicely. Seriously, you're punishing a team for having a bad April. You're punishing a team for not being the best team in September. Yet by you're 'winning is what matters' standards, the regular season is meaningless if no championships are won.
I'll say what ever the fuck I want on this board, and about this board too. It's here because you got called out on your malarky with softball and Tom wanted to be top dog. That company line may work with the new guys but not with me, and it didn't work for guys like Larry and Justin who have said the same thing. Besides if it were about that why the fuck did you let tone join this board if he was one of the so-called main culprits of making that board so bad? This board is obsolete. You and Tom should go back to 39 and should have as much power as Capone in moderatorship.
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Post by mac0822 on Oct 29, 2007 11:09:39 GMT -5
I love the hate. Continue. I'll be back - I'm going to pick up my 07 WS shirt.
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Post by Chris on Oct 29, 2007 11:33:58 GMT -5
"I'm going to pick up my 07 WS shirt"
You said all you needed so say RIGHT THERE Mac! Fucking frontrunner.
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 29, 2007 11:48:59 GMT -5
The Rockies were a .500 team on a hot streak. They may have deserved to be there through their little league, but that doesn't mean they belonged on the same field as any of the AL contenders.
Just because you have your blind guesses about this board doesn't make you right. You constantly misinterpret things. Your issue, not mine.
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Post by IronHorse4 on Oct 29, 2007 11:54:31 GMT -5
Ok, I don't get it.
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 29, 2007 11:57:40 GMT -5
Neither do I. His team won the WS. Why not get the shirt?
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