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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 23, 2008 10:14:21 GMT -5
Folks, you may see a couple of new names popping up here and there. For now I was able to wrangle a couple of quality folks I have stumbled across in other venues to join us here. Its up to them to see how often/active/engaging they wish to be here.
I personally wish to welcome rlm6370 and bronxmikey. I think they are welcome additions and hope they become mainstays. Guys, you have the run of the place, just remember the "work-friendly" edict. I sincerely hope you enjoy your stay, I think we have a solid roster here for you to meet, and some very quality people already here.
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Post by bronxmikey on Apr 23, 2008 11:08:15 GMT -5
I appreciate the invite and look forward to many good times here.
Some things about me-
First generation American- my dad came here in 1947 and lived on 149th street. He and my uncle used to go to Yankee games for pocket change back then and he saw a lot of the greats Joe D, Yogi, Mickey all the way to Donnie Baseball. Unfortunately my dad passed and missed out on this last run with Jeter et al. I hope to tell my kids someday about the greats I saw.
I grew up on Webster Ave and Bedford Park but live in Westchester now. Cant' take the Bronx out of me though.
I have my opinions and have been known to argue at times but I'm mostly respectful of others until given a reason not to be.
I'm looking forward to interacting with everyone here.
Thanks S.T.
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 23, 2008 11:16:22 GMT -5
The sad part is that your kids won't have the pleasure of seeing all their greats at the same stadium as their grandfather. Welcome to the board.
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Post by baldvinny on Apr 23, 2008 11:24:41 GMT -5
all new members are required to spend at least $50 at www.baldvinny.com if you don't, your membership gets revoked and your computer will explode
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Post by bronxmikey on Apr 23, 2008 11:29:41 GMT -5
The sad part is that your kids won't have the pleasure of seeing all their greats at the same stadium as their grandfather. Welcome to the board. Its funny you say that. I was born in 74 and I never went to a game in the "old" ballpark. I remember every time me and my dad went to a game, every time, he said it wasn't the same ballpark to him since they changed it in the 70s.
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Post by Chris on Apr 23, 2008 11:34:14 GMT -5
Way to bum the guy out Balls. What a Debbie Downer!
Balls, YOU never saw the greats in the same stadium as your grandfather either! It more or less a completely new stadium in the 70s.
Much ado about nothing - the Yankees will always be the Yankees and there will always be a Yankee Stadium in the Bronx and it will always be a majestic arena.
As far as moving teams out of old stadiums and into new ones, the Yankees are doing this as best as can be - it's at the same locale, it's replica of the original stadium.
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 23, 2008 11:41:11 GMT -5
Actually, I did see the greats in the same stadium as my grandfather. Renovation or not, this is the same field that Ruth played on. This is the same stadium. And the Yankees are NOT doing this as best can be. They are still moving, be it across the street or not, it's disgusting.
Anyone who can dismiss this simply doesn't get it.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Apr 23, 2008 11:47:11 GMT -5
I gotta agree with Balls on this one.
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Post by Chris on Apr 23, 2008 11:48:34 GMT -5
Please! I get it. Don't pull that "You don't get it" crap with me. I'm as much of a "baseball purist" and nostalgia freak as anyone. I get the history. But what do you want them to do? The is IMMENSE pressure to keep stadiums up with the times, there is IMMENSE pressure for ownership to maximize profits, especially this team with this payroll. You want your precious Georgie to keep writing those fat checks for big names, don't ya? That being said, a new stadium was practically mandatory. And with THAT in mind, YES they are doing it as best as possible. They aren't moving to Manhattan or Queens or Jersey. They aren't building some whack humongo-Dome. They are building a replica of the 1923 stadium to honor that history that you're pissing and moaning about. They're building it on the same damn site, and they're doing everything they can to preserve the legacy of the original stadium. They're doing EVERYTHING they possibly can to appease people like YOU, while trying to bring the stadium that the New York Yankees play in up to a state of the art, highly profitable venue.
Gimme a break.
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 23, 2008 11:53:36 GMT -5
You may think it's crap, but you don't get it. What's being built next door is NOT Yankee Stadium. It's a replica that is unnecessary. The real Stadium is getting blown up.
There is absolutely NO NEED to build this ballpark. It's not a pressure, it's an ego thing. You don't see Fenway being blown up, and you don't see Wrigley being blown up.
The Yanks, at their current Stadium, are drawing 4 million a year. So the idea that they need to keep up is a load of poppicock.
The Yanks don't need a new Stadium for income. They already have much more income than any other team. So much so, that they spread the wealth. They are NOT doing anything possible to appease people like me. They are pissing on their history.
The current Stadium is a highly profitable venue. And if they TRULY wanted to do this right, they would have built the same ballpark on the same ground--just like they managed to do in the 1970s. Might have taken a bit longer, but at least they would have truly shown a respect for their history, which is NOT the case today.
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Post by kingdzbws on Apr 23, 2008 11:53:53 GMT -5
It is sad indeed. HOWEVER...
For the sake of argument, I offer that while you saw the same 'field' that Ruth played on as your Grandpa, you actually sat in a different 'stadium' one that was re-built from the foundation up -- NOT renovated. Renovation supposes that something remains from the old - foundation, superstructure, etc., and nothing does. The NEW building was simply built on the same property. It aint the same at all.
And come to think of it, the field has been changed numerous times too-- dug up from the gravel to the grass to put in a new drainage system on more than one occasion. Home plate has been replaced many times. the dirt....fresh each season...the grass...seeded anew.
So, you neither sat in the same 'stadium' nor looked at the same 'field.'
Anyone who can dismiss this simply doesn't get it.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 23, 2008 11:54:02 GMT -5
Yeah, enough, you babies.
Whats funny is that most of these whiners on here will end up becoming the biggest advocates of the new Stadium.
The place is going to be the grand gazoo.
Yeah, its not the same ground, but I will still be able to bring my grandchildren to where the Yankees play, and spin tales of yore.
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Post by baldvinny on Apr 23, 2008 11:55:33 GMT -5
the yanks sold 3.5 million tickets before the season even started
they have the #1, 2, 3 and 5 selling hats in the WORLD
they are #1 in merchandising across all sports
they have their own network with its own roster of emmy award winning programming
they don't need a new stadium to "keep writing fat checks for big names" and they have no problem maximizing profits......
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Post by kingdzbws on Apr 23, 2008 11:58:44 GMT -5
>>>>>they have the #1, 2, 3 and 5 selling hats in the WORLD
How many different Yankee hats are there??
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 23, 2008 12:00:48 GMT -5
they don't need a new stadium to "keep writing fat checks for big names" and they have no problem maximizing profits......
Its more than that. They have corporations that want nicer boxes to host clients in. They want better ameneties, like improved clubhouse facilities, broadcast areas, you name it. They want a better fan experience when it comes to in-game dining, using the bathrooms, general things like that.
I am surprised you guys cant understand why a team wants to move into a new Stadium, for the amenities part as well as the money part.
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Post by Chris on Apr 23, 2008 12:04:35 GMT -5
But this was a way to maximize profits even more. I mean...look this stadium is costing what...pushing a billion...maybe over 1 billion? Do you think George Steinbrenner wanted to pull a billion dollars out of the ATM machine just for shits and giggles and to spite Yankee fans? If there wasn't a clear indication that this new stadium would increase the team's profits exponentially, then they wouldn't do it.
I get it, really I do. I can especially empathize with people like Vinny and Balls literally spend every night in that stadium. I don't begrudge you the right to feel sad about the loss of the old stadium or feeling as though an era is ending - it is. But let's not act like the Yankees are maliciously and spitefully committing some evil deed here. They really are trying to honor the legacy of this organization the best they can, while bringing this team into a new modern era with a state of the art facility. Like I said, it's going to be a majestic place.
I just don't get the idea of wanting to hold a grudge against the Yankees for this. Again, be sad, be nostalgic, remember the old place for what it was...but there's no need to be bitter - the Yankees don't want to piss off the fans and building this stadium is not there way of giving the big F.U. to the long time loyal fans.
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 23, 2008 12:16:05 GMT -5
Tom seems to have a grasp on why they are doing this--and it's a load of shit. There is NO better experience than to walk into the current Yankee Stadium--the House that Ruth Built.
Tom left out another reason this is being done--money spent to pay for a new stadium is deductible against baseball's stupid luxury tax, so they'll be spending money on themselves instead of the Marlins. I get that.
But there are some things no amount of money can buy--and the history at that Stadium is one of them. And yes, the Yankees are maliciously and spitefully committing an evil deed.
They are blowing up Yankee Stadium.
They are even CUTTING seats to fuck the people even more. They are not trying to honor their legacy. They are only trying to cater to the richest of the rich, and by doing that, they will end up hurting the game in the long run.
The new place will not be majestic. It will just be a copy. Again, if they wanted to honor the legacy, they could have rebuilt it on the same ground--just like they did 30 years ago.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Apr 23, 2008 12:23:14 GMT -5
I think that everything YES does is terrible. They shouldn't win emmy's for that..... ;D
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Post by baldvinny on Apr 23, 2008 12:29:00 GMT -5
i'm just playing devil's advocate. believe me, i understand the economics of baseball, and the want/desire for a new stadium.
just dont think they are building a new stadium just so they can "maximize profits". there is a lot more into it than that
and marco, to answer your question, there is the Men's Fitted, Men's Adjustable, the Pink Women's hat and the Kids hat that are all in the top 5
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Post by Chris on Apr 23, 2008 12:32:13 GMT -5
Balls, you are INSANE! Malicious and evil? Just to spite the fans? Come on. Quit trying make the new stadium out to be a fuckin' Dave and Busters!!!!!!!
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 23, 2008 12:34:00 GMT -5
It's all about the money. Insane is actually thinking that they give a shit about tradition and are trying to cater to it with this crap. Again, you don't see them knocking down Wrigley or Fenway.
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Post by kingdzbws on Apr 23, 2008 12:39:01 GMT -5
I think, if there was a viable site anywhere near Fengay, they'd have taken the wrecking ball to the old one already.
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Post by Chris on Apr 23, 2008 12:39:56 GMT -5
No one said it's NOT all about money. Of course it is. But in the process they ARE trying to preserve the legacy...that appeases fans (somewhat) and keeping the legacy in the forefront will only HELP the Yankees financially.
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Post by 9 on Apr 23, 2008 12:57:08 GMT -5
Back on topic, welcome aboard to the new guys.
And as far as the Stadium, I'm somewhere in the middle. I just wish they'd have stayed on the same site, even if they had to play two years in Queens again.
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Post by cactusjames on Apr 23, 2008 12:57:44 GMT -5
My twp cents, the stadium now is not the same. The feild may be in the same spot but who cares. home plate still sits where it did when Ebbets feild got taken down. If you stand there, you're not standing in Ebbets feild, it's a parking lot. It's still the same place all the dodgers stood for at bats, but it isn't the same. If I stand at home plate in Yankee stadium, I'm not going to feel the ghost of Mick, Joe D and Ruth and Gherig are around me. I'm just going to be standing in a ball park. It's not a church, I don't care what Pope held mass there.
As for the new stadium, i can't wait. To hell with the old on, honestly, it's so ugly all around the stadium but inside nice. It's like two different worlds. Now at least all around the stadium there will be more around then a few bars, bodegas and a big bat when the tourist meet up. And inside will be even better. Fuck history, things change. I look foward to saying to my kids and grandkids I was at game 7 2003, I saw a World Series in 2000, saw three of the best games I've ever seen in 2001, saw Mr. November(ugh). It's not about the locale, it's about the games, the moments. Not where the stadium is or even where your seats are.
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Post by jwmcc on Apr 23, 2008 13:02:03 GMT -5
This thread has gone pear..
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 23, 2008 13:35:56 GMT -5
They are not trying to preserve the legacy. IF they cared about that, they would have built the new Stadium on the same ground.
I agree with Nettles. Play in Queens for a couple of years and do this right.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Apr 23, 2008 13:45:04 GMT -5
I hate having to agree with Balls..It is painful.....I understand why the Yankees are doing it but Vinny's point is spot on, they don't really need to do it....I am just glad I have been able to take in a game at the old pre renovated Stadium, a few when they played at Shea those two years and the renovated Stadium.....I was only about 7 for my visit to the old Stadium and only have faint memories of it.......Well at least we will always have Fenway and Wrigley to go if you want tradition......Yankee Stadium as the "House that Ruth built" will be demolished and "The House that Steinbrenner built" will be next door.......
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Post by thecaptain15 on Apr 23, 2008 13:47:38 GMT -5
Also luckily I have been able to bring my son to The Stadium before Adidas Park opens next door........Alls that is left to do this summer is to buy my ticket for a tour of the Stadium.....
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 23, 2008 14:36:39 GMT -5
I like when Captain agrees with me and gets mad.
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