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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 24, 2007 13:36:50 GMT -5
Haven't seen Smackdown yet, we're planning on an evening view, but I was well-versed in the spoilers. Kicker is the storyline has the internet smarks up in arms, as if Vicki is not entitled to take an acting role to keep money coming in. I dont really take any of it too seriously. In real life, a widow is allowed to "date again." Wrestling is what it is...Vicki is playing the heel, and its fine.
One problem with Benjamin is his supposed attitude. He does not take direction well, he does not speak up for himself, and apparently has his head too deep into playing video games than working on what they ask him to improve. Even Jim Ross has touched on it in interviews, calling Benjamin "frustrating." ECW is a good step for him, though.
We seem to have a concensus on Noble around here. I too am a big fan. Great talent in the ring, and a fun promo. James is right, his ROH work is heralded long and loud. I never saw it, but it won him even more respect from insider fans. I like him involved in any storyline. I said this before, and cant explain it, but I like Chuck. Always did. He's a goofy sort, with a brawling style that can get sloppy, that I grew up watching.
I can deal with a Noble/Chuck/McCool imbroglio.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 24, 2007 13:44:11 GMT -5
It's not that she's playing the heel. It's that she doesn't have the talent to be on WWE television. The WWE is hurting their show to have her on when that role can be played better by someone who actually earned her way on the show, rather than just being the widow of a druggie.
The same plot, with a different actress, would be great. It's not a bad storyline. But she is so not talented that I bet YOU could do better in that role, as disgusting as that sounds.
I realize Vince feels bad and there's some sort of loyalty to Eddie kind of thing going on here, but geez, cut her a check. Don't put her on the air.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 24, 2007 14:15:33 GMT -5
Its already been discussed that he can not just "cut her a check." Then he will need to cut checks for the spawn and spouse of every deceased wrestler. I think Vince is playing a solid citizen here, by giving her a chance to earn some money. And I disagree to a point - she is not lock-solid in the role, but she is also not as bad as you paint her. Some of the hot divas you probably pop wood at and would praise to the moon are worse.
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Post by grover on Nov 24, 2007 14:23:37 GMT -5
I used to hate her at first but the ugly faces she makes have become a bad comedy bit for me.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 24, 2007 14:41:30 GMT -5
NONE of the hot divas are worse than she is. If they were, they would be fired. She's horrific.
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Post by cactusjames on Nov 24, 2007 16:01:30 GMT -5
She really isn't, like Tom said, she does her part well. And if the faces she makes are pissing off Grover, more people are pissed off at the same thing, and that means she's going her job, getting people to hate her. If she pisses you off, yet you keep watching, score one for Vince and WWE.
One thing I read that I found interesting was people aren't happy Taker went as far as to Tombstone her. It really is strange for a face to do that out of nowhere. If they were just trying to make sure she got enough heat as Edge then fine, but even watching it, go for the chokeslam, the tombstone felt out of place, especially considering Edge just got reintroduced, go for the big payoff later on.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 24, 2007 16:37:18 GMT -5
Anyone can do what she's doing. She doesn't piss me off because she is a villainous heel. She pisses me off because she has no talent and is only on TV because of who she shacked up with. She really is one of the worst actresses in WWE history.
Point taken on the tombstone though. You're right. A face doing that makes little sense.
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Post by grover on Nov 24, 2007 16:46:12 GMT -5
I don't get pissed at her faces anymore really. Now I kinda laugh at them.
I really don't mind her at this point. I'm not a fan but I'm not calling for a change yet. I'm sure the gag will grow old eventually.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 24, 2007 16:56:33 GMT -5
I suppose. Like I said, what really bothers me is not the writing, it's the execution. There are so many more qualified people to handle the GM role. It's a shame that she's getting a pity party.
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Post by grover on Nov 24, 2007 17:29:05 GMT -5
Well who would you put there?
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Post by cactusjames on Nov 24, 2007 18:05:52 GMT -5
Honestly, there is no one else. Plus, I don't think it's pity as it is giving her a steady income. I mean, Eddie should have been looked after more closely, which is why the wellness policy is in effect. WWE should have been monitoring Eddie a little better. I'm not saying the grind of the road and WWE/Vince specifiiclly are to blame, but it's a death that could and should have been prevented. And his wife was stuck, she probably didn't work and had no way of prviding for her and Eddies kids like Eddie did. To me, it's a classy thing to do on Vince's part. And Balls, how can you say she is an untalented actress with all the shit acting you watch on your cheesy shows? It's crazy talk.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 24, 2007 18:11:41 GMT -5
ANYONE else. Hell, Cactus James would be a FAR better GM than Vicki Guererro.
It's not the WWE's fault Eddie was a druggie. He overused all sorts of drugs, not just steroids. He deserved his fate. And the WWE does not owe his wife a living, but even if Vince felt that way, she is not talented enough to be on air. Let her work in a nice cushy office job.
And Vicki Guererro would never make it as an actress on ANY TV show.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 24, 2007 18:36:59 GMT -5
Anyone can do what she's doing
You really dont get it. I am stunned you can follow Star Trek plots over eons, but cant understand a simple wrestling storyline.
If ANYONE else was in the role, there would not nearly be as much heat. If Edge was in cahoots with Teddy Long or even Kristal Marshall....who gives a fuck??? The reason there is so much HEAT on this is he is with Eddie's ex. It may be tawdry, but everyone knows what is going on, and people are flipping out, storyline-wise.
Its why Batista is so angry on TV. Taker. Its cause of who she is. Its part of the story.
You are really oblivious.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 24, 2007 18:43:09 GMT -5
At this point, people barely remember she is Eddie's widow. She is a horrific actress. She is not qualified to be on the show. Diana Hart could outact her.
It doesn't matter what storyline they come up with. She is simply not capable of executing it.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 24, 2007 18:53:20 GMT -5
Well, she's doing it, and quite the contrary on "hardly anyone remembers she's Eddie's widow." I mean, even here you are harping on it, as the only reason she has the job.
I know much better than you how much heat and play this is getting in the wrestling blogosphere, and how its helping shoot Edge to the moon as even more an entrenched creepy heel.
Storyline, like it or not, is age-old, and working fine. And now that we watched the show, I could see there was nothing wrong in the way Vicki carried it out. Sorry, go back to watching TMZ to get a peek at Hayden Panatierre in a bathing suit.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 24, 2007 18:59:19 GMT -5
Getting heat because she is annoying and incompetent at the job she inherited does not mean she is qualified. She could disappear from Smackdown and she would be forgotten in a week.
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Post by grover on Nov 24, 2007 19:05:50 GMT -5
Check out Balls all mad because Vickie Guerrero spoiled Smackdown for him. Normally we'd tell him to just fast forward to a match but he can't, because he fast forwards matches to get the story. LOL! The only thing he watches is ruined for him! good. I hope the wipe Hulk Hogan's name from the record books and replace the main plate of each title belt with Vickie Guerrero's face. That's what you get for not watching matches.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 24, 2007 19:12:25 GMT -5
None of that will make Vicki Guererro any good. Hell, dig up her husband and let him rot on TV. It would be more entertaining.
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Post by grover on Nov 24, 2007 19:17:00 GMT -5
Yeah but you'd only watch if they dressed him up like Mr.Belvedere.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 24, 2007 19:29:06 GMT -5
Wow. Now THAT would be a good photoshop.
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Post by Ms. Jericho on Nov 24, 2007 19:32:35 GMT -5
I'd say every wrestling fan in the world "remembers that she is Eddie's widow." Her last name is Guerrero after all. I'm not of fan of hers either. I hear her voice and I want to choke her to be quite honest with you, but I get why she's there.
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Post by Ms. Jericho on Nov 24, 2007 19:34:02 GMT -5
Oh, and Jamie Noble is the man!
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Post by cactusjames on Nov 24, 2007 20:04:50 GMT -5
"....watching TMZ to get a peek at Hayden Panatierre in a bathing suit. "
To be fair Tom, i wanna see that too(on a side note, I was thinking about making a Hayden Panatierre joke circa Remember the Titans, but decided against it, I deserve credit for my restraint). But I agree with the wrestling part of your argument. Balls, you're off the fucking rails.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 24, 2007 20:35:24 GMT -5
Um...Vicki Guererro has nothing to do with wrestling. She's there merely because she banged Eddie. It's a pity job, but one that has too big of a role.
And please make your Remember the Titans joke.
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Post by cactusjames on Nov 24, 2007 21:21:59 GMT -5
I meant I agree with his logic on the wrestling side of things, not so much the Hayden Panatierre bathing suit thing, any hetero would like to see that. And if you can't figure out where I was going with that joke you don't deserve to know and I'm not going to ruin it by explaining it. And Balls, if Vicki wrestled you wouldn't know, you skip the in ring part. And being a GM of Smackdown, how doesn't she have ANYTHING to do with wrestling? And you're 100% wrong, cause if someone boring, or awful was in that role, no one would care or talk about it. The fact that we, and other people are talking about this, it's safe to say she's doing well in her role. The fact you dislike her doesn't mean she isn't doing a good job.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 25, 2007 10:02:12 GMT -5
Anyone can do what Vicki Guererro does. If you're the GM there is one requirement--be good on the mic. She isn't. Someone AWFUL IS in that role. People hate her because she is so bad and annoying. She's not doing well. She's just there because of her dead husband and not qualified from an acting standpoint.
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Post by Ms. Jericho on Nov 25, 2007 12:41:26 GMT -5
Your real problem with her is that she's ugly. ;D I'll admit that my real problem with Big Daddy V is his man boobs. Embrace your shallowness.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 25, 2007 12:42:35 GMT -5
I have no problem admitting that I find her ugly, and by definition, that's offensive, but she really has no talent. Moolah was ugly too, but she had talent.
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Post by Ms. Jericho on Nov 25, 2007 14:24:39 GMT -5
She might be able to get away with having "no talent" though. If she weren't ugly.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 25, 2007 14:54:25 GMT -5
Then she'd be a no talented hot chick. It would be easier to tolerate, but in the end, she still wouldn't belong on WWE TV, as there are hot chicks that CAN work the mic far better.
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