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Post by pags03 on Jan 13, 2009 12:37:42 GMT -5
Why all this admiration for Pavano?? What has this guy done in Whole career, body of work?? The guy had 1 good year in where he won 18 games, oh by the way...FA year!! Overall 66 - 66 with an ERA of 4.32!!! Wow, who gives a shit. The guy doesn't have "heart", sure he had adversitiy but what makes the man his how you OVERCOMe those adversities and move and become better. He was a bumbling idiot for his years here, mistake after mistake. Not injuries, but how he handled those injuries and himself. He has nobody to blame but HIMSELF! FUck him and watch him flounder in Cleveland!!! All the worst wishes for him!!
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Post by 9 on Jan 13, 2009 13:22:20 GMT -5
I agree. Fuck Pavano. He stole $40M from the Yankees (although I guess people would find that more admirable than stealing $40M from the Rays or Marlins).
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Post by Chris on Jan 13, 2009 13:25:02 GMT -5
I'm not saying that he's an admirable guy.
I'm just saying, if healthy, he can pitch.
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Post by 9 on Jan 13, 2009 14:24:23 GMT -5
And if the queen had balls, she'd be king.
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Post by mac0822 on Jan 13, 2009 18:57:24 GMT -5
Atlanta gives an average Derek Lowe a 4/$60 after refusing to give a stud that's been their anchor for 20 years more than $2 million guaranteed? I don't get these teams giving average pitchers contracts like this.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 13, 2009 20:09:37 GMT -5
Atlanta backed themselves into a corner and had to do something once Smoltz left. This was pretty much a desperation signing, although Lowe will do fine for them, will give them over 200 innings a year, and will win a heap of games.
If Andy Pettitte was making 16 million a year the last two years, Derek Lowe deserves his money.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 13, 2009 20:23:45 GMT -5
I don't think the dollars are as rough as the number of years. Lowe is above average in the NL.
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Post by pags03 on Jan 13, 2009 20:30:15 GMT -5
Lowe is worth much more than Smoltz was. Lowe is reliable, innings eater and agree that staying in the NL was a better move for him. I think all this talk about him loving the AL East was malarky, he's seen 1st hand over the past 3 years in Dodger Town how much more effective he is in the NL. The Braves will now have a decent top of the rotation and a young stud in the wings, hopefully they can dethrone the Phillies and keep the Mutts down!!!
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Post by Chris on Jan 15, 2009 12:07:48 GMT -5
Bart Colon - 1 year deal with the ChiSox.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 18, 2009 22:42:12 GMT -5
Cubs deal Pie to O's for lefty Olson Outfield prospect struggled during two seasons in Chicago
CHICAGO -- It's time for Felix Pie to move on. On Sunday, the Cubs dealt the outfielder to the Baltimore Orioles for two pitchers, left-hander Garrett Olson and right-hander Henry Williamson.
Pie was projected as the starting center fielder last year but was never able to adjust to big league pitching, and has a career .223 average in the Major Leagues.
"Obviously, Felix has a lot of good qualities, and at his age, even if he was the fifth outfielder, it's hard to paint a scenario where he would've gotten enough at-bats to finish off his development," Cubs general manager Jim Hendry said Sunday. "Once [Joey] Gathright came, it was going to make it tough."
Gathright, a left-handed-hitting speedster, was a free agent acquired this offseason after he was not offered arbitration by the Kansas City Royals.
"We felt we had a chance to add some pitching here," Hendry said. "You can't have enough people in the mix. The left-hander [Olson] is an interesting guy. He probably was a little quick to the big leagues last year. If he was with us here, he would've been in [Triple-A] Iowa."
Olson, 25, will get some starts this spring and be looked at as possibly handling the open fifth spot in the rotation or could be a swing man with Sean Marshall getting the starting spot.
He is 12-10 with a 2.96 ERA in 71 career Minor League appearances. Last year, he was 9-10 with a 6.65 ERA, and ranked fourth among American League rookies in starts, fifth in wins and innings pitched and sixth with 83 strikeouts.
"We're sorry to have to part with him," Orioles president of baseball operations Andy MacPhail said of Olson. "Obviously, it's not an area that we have a lot of depth in, but we think that may change as the season progresses. It's just a situation where we have to give something up in order to get something we need."
MacPhail, who held a similar position with the Cubs, knows Pie well.
"I've been impressed with him for a long time and I know he has a great work ethic and desire," MacPhail said. "I know he's going to do everything he can to make himself a good Major League player, and it's hard for us to envision having a better defensive outfield."
Just a few hours before the trade was announced, Cubs player development director Oneri Fleita was answering a question from a fan at the Cubs Convention about Pie and how he hadn't progressed. Fleita said he took it personally when a player he scouted and signed was unable to develop as hoped. "A guy like Felix Pie is like a son to me," Fleita said.
The Cubs did devote a lot of time to Pie. They sent big league hitting coach Gerald Perry to the Dominican Republic twice after the 2007 season to work with the outfielder and this past season, roving hitting instructor Dave Keller joined Pie for an extended period of one-on-one instruction.
"If he went out for 140 games, I would have to think he's a good enough athlete where he would hit better," Hendry said of Pie, who has a career .299 average in the Minor Leagues. "It's hard to paint a scenario where he's going to take at-bats from Milton Bradley, Reed Johnson or [Kosuke] Fukudome."
A large part of the reason the Cubs decided to deal Pie was because the outfielder did not have any options left, and they could not send him to the Minors if he didn't make the team out of Spring Training.
"At this point in his career, he hasn't been able to shorten his swing, and when you play part time it's hard to make the adjustments," Hendry said. "Hopefully, he does better."
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Post by Jason Giambi on Jan 18, 2009 23:28:44 GMT -5
pie for melky.
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Post by 9 on Jan 19, 2009 9:24:47 GMT -5
Felix, or pizza?
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Post by Jason Giambi on Jan 19, 2009 22:10:05 GMT -5
pizza
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Post by 9 on Jan 19, 2009 22:14:49 GMT -5
DEAL!
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 3, 2009 13:50:15 GMT -5
It's amazing how there are still so many players out there unsigned. Guys like Abreu and Hudson should have been locked up a long time ago. I realize some teams are waiting on Manny, but at the same time, why?
I would think that some teams should look at 1 and 2 year offers for some of these guys and see what sticks. Manny is unrealistic for all but a few clubs, and I think in reality, even the big market clubs aside from the Dodgers are not going to commit more than $25 million for 1 player. Why bother?
Abreu may not want a paycut, but if he got say $12 million, would he really be underpriced?
I think that for 1 year of Manny, you could get 2 years of Abreu. Abreu is no Manny, but Manny is not twice as good as Abreu. I bet you could get Hudson AND Abreu for the price of one year of Manny. Depending on needs, if I could get Abreu and Hudson for Manny, I would do it.
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Post by jwmcc on Feb 3, 2009 14:10:41 GMT -5
Teams are "waiting" on those guys because most franchises simply can't afford them. The few that can are also weary in this economy to pay 15+ million a year to 35+ year old outfielders. Jw
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Post by Jason Giambi on Feb 3, 2009 14:20:37 GMT -5
Manny's market is only 4-5 teams realistically. One he pissed off, the other he just turned down their 1 year offer... that leaves the yankees, angels, mets and maybe cardinals/cubs.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Feb 3, 2009 14:23:24 GMT -5
pavano signed with cleveland, no one told me.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 3, 2009 14:33:48 GMT -5
Apparently, there are mixed reports about what the Yanks can do. Last week, an article came out about how you can only sign 3 type A or B free agents from other teams. The Yanks did that with Tex, CC and AJ.
But then I read an article about how there were so many free agents, that the number was expanded to 8, leaving plenty of room for the Yanks to grab someone else.
I would be very surprised to see Manny in the Bronx. They would have to unload some OFers first, and I don't see that happening just yet. The OF defense is very week. I'd rather trade for a good CF. The Cubs have the money, but they haven't shown ANY interest. Angels and Mets have also flat out said no thanks.
The Dodgers really are the only team in the game, unless you count the lame Giants' interest. If they go, where does he play?
I understand the concept of not wanting to pay $15 million for a 35+ OFer. However, do what the Mets did with KRod. Make a lower offer, but get it on the table.
I agree that the market for Manny is limited. Obviously, Boston isn't getting him, and Anaheim said they had no interest. So has the Mets.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Feb 3, 2009 14:42:35 GMT -5
push damon off a cliff.
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Post by Chris on Feb 6, 2009 4:19:59 GMT -5
Padres nab Cliff Floyd.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 6, 2009 6:52:59 GMT -5
Good thing the Yanks passed on Ben Sheets. He's having elbow surgery and at best, may pitch the second half. I read there's controversy over whether the Brewers should pay for it.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Feb 6, 2009 8:25:36 GMT -5
Thank you, Balls, I already posted about the Ben Sheets issue.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 6, 2009 8:30:11 GMT -5
You should have posted it here, and my writing was much better.
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Post by 9 on Feb 6, 2009 11:06:04 GMT -5
Thank you, MetsSuckHemingway.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Feb 8, 2009 18:32:43 GMT -5
So after all that, Andruw Jones signs a MINOR LEAGUE DEAL with the Rangers. Are we so bad a potential destination that we could not have won this battle? I would have loved for him to come in for a try at the CF job with the crap we have rotting out there in center.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 8, 2009 18:44:39 GMT -5
We did win. He signed elsewhere.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Feb 8, 2009 19:21:40 GMT -5
No, we have Melky Cabrera and Brett Gardner battling for the CF job. We lose.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 8, 2009 21:00:46 GMT -5
Both of whom can outplay Andruw Jones at this stage.
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Post by 9 on Feb 8, 2009 22:23:05 GMT -5
I hate Andruw Jones, but you're reaching here -- a .220 singles hitter and a .250 hitter with marginal power?
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