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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 5, 2008 14:56:21 GMT -5
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Post by 9 on Nov 5, 2008 15:23:53 GMT -5
I love Jorge, but his contract has turned into a sick joke, and anyone who duplicates it with a guy who barely hit .200 this past year is out of their mind. Yeah, yeah, yeah, intangibles. Whatever.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 5, 2008 15:28:32 GMT -5
No one could foresee what happened to Jorge this year, and no one would have signed him to that deal had they expected that. But this was a guy who hit .320 and never really showed signs of not being able to do what he always did. Even when he played this year, his production was fine.
Varitek is a completely different animal. You can't compare the two. Varitek is done. To give a .220 hitter a 4 year deal, at ANY age, is retarded.
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Post by 9 on Nov 5, 2008 16:19:02 GMT -5
I think Jorge can hit .300 throughout the rest of the deal, if he can stay healthy, but his value was producing as a catcher. And with all of Tek's intangibles, you can't pay a .200 hitter that kind of $ (or any kind of $).
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 5, 2008 17:33:14 GMT -5
No one could foresee what happened to Jorge this year
I could. I bitched long and loud when this deal went down. How can you forget? Horrible, horrible deal.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 5, 2008 18:05:38 GMT -5
Yeah, but when you bitch and moan about everything, eventually something is going to happen so you feel vindicated. You're the guy who cried wolf.
Either way, the assertion that Varitek should be mentioned in the same league as Posada is just absurd.
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Post by Chris on Nov 6, 2008 12:47:45 GMT -5
The Dodgers have an offer tentatively on the table to give Manny Ramirez the second highest yearly salary in baseball for a period of 2 or 3 years - somewhere in between A-Rods 27 mill and Santana's 22 mill.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 6, 2008 12:58:23 GMT -5
Sounds like a very fair offer. Manny should jump at that.
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Post by Chris on Nov 6, 2008 13:11:44 GMT -5
He should...then after that contract...spend the twilight of his career as a high-paid D.H. in the AL.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 6, 2008 13:58:26 GMT -5
He is not interested in that, cause he wants multi-years. At least four, and they will actually be seeking six.
No way he signs a two year deal.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 6, 2008 14:07:41 GMT -5
You're right of course in that the greed is unbelievable. But any team that signs him to a SIX year deal is run by baboons. Even a 4 year deal at full market value is comical, but not THAT bad. 3 year with a team option is what he deserves. But a 4 year deal wouldn't be horrible.
If the Dodgers are offering 3 years, that's really not a terrible offer.
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Post by Chris on Nov 6, 2008 14:15:12 GMT -5
"If the Dodgers are offering 3 years, that's really not a terrible offer."
Yeah, but for a Boras client, it will probably be construed as an insult.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 6, 2008 15:41:07 GMT -5
If the Dodgers are offering 3 years, that's really not a terrible offer.
They're not. Which is why they boosted the money. If they settle on 3 years, slice off a few million per.
There is some thought the Dodgers and Manny will "meet in the middle." But the middle is NOT 2 years.
I too dont think he will get his 6, but I can see teams tripping over one another to throw him 4.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 6, 2008 15:46:33 GMT -5
Tripping over one another is a bit much, given that not too many teams would be willing to meet the COST. He may have to choose between dollars and years. One of the biggest problems he has is that Boston obviously won't be players.
The Yanks won't compete with them over Manny.
Even with the 2 LA teams vying for him, the dollars won't be the same as if Boston were a player. It gets even worse for him if the Yankees don't get involved either.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 6, 2008 15:49:43 GMT -5
Offer of $75 million for 3 years.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 6, 2008 19:01:05 GMT -5
Just read on MLB.COM, via the NY Daily News, that the Yankees are discussing trading Hughes, Kennedy and our best prospect Austin Jackson for Jake Peavy. The idea that we could have shifted Hughes, Kennedy and that wastecase Melky for the more solid Johan Santana and didnt, and are coming up with this, has me grumpy. But I would not mind seeing Kennedy and Melky moved, and I dont think Hughes is going to be the star he's projected to be, either. The Braves have been a front-runner since Padres GM Kevin Towers arrived early to the meetings that began Tuesday and conclude Thursday. Atlanta has declared pitching prospect Tommy Hanson untouchable, though, and appears reluctant to deal shortstop Yunel Escobar, two San Diego targets.
That hesitation could provide the Yankees with the only opening they need, according to a report in the New York Daily News. A possible deal could include right-hander Phil Hughes and outfielder Austin Jackson with right-hander Ian Kennedy to round out the package.
Though second base is a hole for the Padres, they are apparently not interested in Robinson Cano, who is owed $25 million over the next three years with options in 2012 and 2013 that will cost at least another $4 million in buyouts. mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081106&content_id=3667391&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp
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Post by Chris on Nov 6, 2008 19:34:48 GMT -5
Last I heard, the Cubs were the frontrunners for Peavy's services.
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Post by 9 on Nov 6, 2008 20:02:52 GMT -5
Cano's value is in the toilet. Those dollar figures are totally reasonable for the 2007 Cano but, obviously, not the 2008 model.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 6, 2008 20:04:52 GMT -5
Last I heard, the Cubs were the frontrunners for Peavy's services.
I have not heard that once. Braves all the way. But now the Yankees cant leave well enough alone, and are butting in.
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Post by Chris on Nov 7, 2008 13:26:43 GMT -5
"I have not heard that once."
Apparenlty you don't watch ESPN at all then, because on Wednesday it was run as one of the leading stories during the 23904823904832904 replays of Sportscenter.
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Post by Chris on Nov 7, 2008 13:27:44 GMT -5
Looks like the real values on the Manny offer from LA is 2 years 45 million with an option for a third year.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 7, 2008 13:33:12 GMT -5
But what's the option--seems that it's fairly standard that if an option is not picked up, there's a buy out. That may end up putting the contract at $50 million.
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Post by Chris on Nov 7, 2008 13:50:50 GMT -5
Why don't they just commit to the three years.
This is typical Frank McCourt - the guy is such as shyster.
He's pretty good making these offers that seem great to the fans, but he knows full well that they are just a hair under what the player wants and can reasonably expect to get from other teams.
The Dodgers are always of this mindset that players should accept their contract offers because they are THE DODGERS. That luster of that franchise has worn off a long time ago. Milwaukee and Kansas City are more attractive franchises these days.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 7, 2008 14:05:25 GMT -5
Any player that thinks that an average of 22.5 million per year is not a good offer and who turns that down is a dick. Even for 2 years. The reason not to commit for 3 years is Manny's age.
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Post by Chris on Nov 7, 2008 14:18:56 GMT -5
But it's the national league...and it's in the worst pitching division in the national league...AND the guy just came off of 40% of a season in which he dragged their sorry asses out of the doldrums into an NLCS appearance by hitting .600 much of the way or some ridiculous shit like that.
Manny put up numbers in a Dodger uniform that other Dodgers haven't put in for an entire season in years....probably since Sheffield was there.
THIS guy, in THIS division, can easily produce for 3 years....easily.
This isn't a serious offer in which the Dodgers are leaving nothing to chance....this is a token offer that McCourt will be pleased if Manny accepts, but won't be too broken up if he doesn't and will use the offer to save face in the public eye.
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Post by Chris on Nov 7, 2008 14:19:36 GMT -5
"Any player that thinks that an average of 22.5 million per year is not a good offer and who turns that down is a dick. Even for 2 years"
And why would be be a dick if he can get 25 million for 3 or 4 years elsewhere?
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 7, 2008 14:25:28 GMT -5
There's no guarantee of that.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Nov 7, 2008 15:21:38 GMT -5
i know this is off topic, but the pic at the top of this thread with the guy crying, if the other guy could talk, he'd be like Robert Loggia in the Sopranos and say, shut the fuck up you big baby.. and then smash his head on the table.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 7, 2008 15:43:30 GMT -5
There's no guarantee of that.
He'll get it.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 8, 2008 17:50:39 GMT -5
Well, there goes any more speculation about Willie Randolph coming back to the pinstripes anytime soon. I had been saying there was no room for him, as he is set on managing again, and needs more a bench coach job, rather than a 3B coach sort of job.
Off to the Brewers...as a bench coach, and possible mgr in waiting.
Brewers tab Randolph as bench coach Former Mets skipper was finalist for managerial opening
MILWAUKEE -- The Brewers were looking for experience in their bench coach, and they found it in one of their managerial candidates.
Former Mets manager Willie Randolph, one of three finalists for the managerial vacancy eventually filled by Ken Macha, on Saturday was named Macha's bench coach. It was the team's second coaching appointment in as many days -- Bill Castro was elevated to pitching coach on Friday, and it left the bullpen coach as Milwaukee's only vacancy.
Randolph said he spoke with Macha the morning after the Brewers made their managerial choice, simply to offer congratulations. Four hours later, Macha called with the bench-coach offer.
"It surprised me, too," Randolph said. "He had what you call a brainstorm, I guess."
Brewers general manager Doug Melvin told Randolph he will be free to interview for managerial openings as they become available. Randolph has already been mentioned as a possibility for Seattle's vacancy.
"I didn't really want to wait around," Randolph said. "If I get a job that will put me in the manager's seat any time in my tenure, I could do that. It was nice that Doug left that as an option."
Randolph, 54, played for the Brewers in 1991, ranking second in the American League that season with a .424 on-base percentage, and twice has interviewed to manage the team. He was among five candidates for the job that went to Ned Yost in October 2002, then interviewed again this year, along with Macha and former D-backs skipper Bob Brenly. Macha got the job on Oct. 30.
Macha told the Brewers' flagship radio station several days ago that he was close to naming his bench coach. Macha previewed his pick as a successful former skipper with knowledge of the National League.
Randolph was a six-time All-Star during an 18-year Major League playing career and was a Yankees base and bench coach for 11 seasons before he managed the Mets for parts of four seasons beginning in 2005. New York was the winningest team in the NL during that span, but Randolph was dismissed on June 17, 2008, a few hours after a Mets loss to the Angels. The team was off to a disappointing 34-35 start.
Randolph also was reportedly offered a coaching position with the Washington Nationals this offseason, but he declined. He replaces as Brewers bench coach Dale Sveum, who finished last season as Milwaukee's interim manager and will return in 2009 as the hitting coach.
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