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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 23, 2008 9:03:15 GMT -5
Wang also pitched for the NY Yankees, Cain for the SF Giants.
Cain will, without a doubt, have the better future and career. That is why I will take Cain over Wang. Cain has nastier stuff. Wang hits too many bats, we've been through this already.
Oh, and Cain can do the simple act of running without destroying his body
AND STOP ACTING LIKE EVEN THE IDEA OF THIS IS SO OFF THE WALL. Bewit, the lifetime stats of both these guys. Cain has the better numbers.
WANG 628 innings, 635 hits, 178 BB, 281 Ks, 3.79 ERA CAIN 654 innings, 560 hits, 276 BB, 538 Ks, 3.74 ERA
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 23, 2008 20:47:57 GMT -5
Wang--pitches in the AL East.
Cain--pitches in the NL West.
Wang doesn't face pitchers.
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Post by grover on Nov 24, 2008 14:47:39 GMT -5
Wang pitches for the Yankees 200 million dollar payroll, Cain pitches for a team who's in rebuilding mode. Cain would be a great addition here. On a solid team with a solid pitching coach who can help him as he gets older, Cain would be a quality arm.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 24, 2008 15:22:33 GMT -5
That would explain Cain's lousy W/L record, which never was questioned.
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Post by grover on Nov 24, 2008 15:34:33 GMT -5
I'm just saying. He's a good arm, and young.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 24, 2008 15:35:56 GMT -5
Hard to say--since his numbers are in the NL West. Not like that's a good division, plus he's facing pitchers. His ERA would be well over 4.00 in the AL East, probably closer to 4.50. He'd be fine in the BACK of the rotation, but it's not like he's anywhere close to what some people rate him as.
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Post by grover on Nov 24, 2008 16:37:44 GMT -5
You do know he's 23 right?
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Post by 9 on Nov 24, 2008 17:06:04 GMT -5
And you do know you've posted elsewhere that win/loss record is a terrible way to judge a pitcher, right?
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 24, 2008 18:16:24 GMT -5
And you do know that nothing I said goes against the fact that win/loss record is a terrible way to judge a pitcher, right?
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Post by grover on Nov 24, 2008 18:33:54 GMT -5
Well you are judging him a bit early one are you not? Remember: Gotta wait a few years to see how they flourish.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 24, 2008 22:00:37 GMT -5
Fair enough. Definitely time for the guy to improve. I'll keep that in mind when you talk bad about Hughes.
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Post by grover on Nov 25, 2008 13:01:50 GMT -5
Well, I will hold off until the season starts. You will head me again if he is beyond bad, or gets injured again. If he's mediocre I'll live with it.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 25, 2008 13:12:39 GMT -5
Believe me, I hope he doesn't get injured again. I'm actually hoping the team gets enough pitchers (that don't suck) that will force Hughes to start the season in the minors. I don't think he threw enough innings last year to be on the MLB roster. Let him earn his way back by actually pitching, rather than just having the spot handed to him like last year.
I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and hope the injury wasn't his fault, but hopefully enough will happen in the offseason so that Hughes' emergence won't feel like a rush job.
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Post by ajfreakz on Nov 25, 2008 13:24:29 GMT -5
this offseason has been quite boring so far..
can't wait for thanksgiving and hopefully after everyones stomachs are full they will make some deals
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 26, 2008 18:46:28 GMT -5
So not only are the Angels hot for Sabathia - and the rumored frontrunners for his services right now - but they are mulling over dealing for Jake Peavy. That would leave something like this, pulled from mlb.com....
If Jered Weaver is a centerpiece of a Peavy deal, imagine this rotation:
Sabathia, Peavy, John Lackey, Ervin Santana and Joe Saunders.
That's two Cy Young Award winners (Sabathia and Peavy) from 2007 and three All-Stars (Lackey, 2007; Santana and Saunders, 2008): five starters capable of winning 18 to 20 games each, all 28 or under as the 2009 season opens.
As to Tex, they seem ready to let him go, as they are concerned about a situation with his "knee" - that said, they were fine with the idea of giving him 6 years...its the 10 thats a problem to them.
So, Tex may be waved goodbye in an effort to what some are saying would be the lockstop best rotation in baseball.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Dec 2, 2008 21:18:56 GMT -5
Javy Vazquez to the Braves, as well as the inimitable Boone Logan. From mlb.com
ATLANTA -- Javier Vazquez is coming to Atlanta, and as long as everything goes well with his physical, he'll serve as the first piece to the Braves' rotation-reconstruction process. The Braves and White Sox are finalizing a six-player trade that would bring right-hander Vazquez and left-handed reliever Boone Logan to Atlanta.
According to a Major League source, Vazquez will travel to Atlanta on Wednesday for a physical. If all goes well, both teams could choose to announce this deal as early as Wednesday afternoon.
The Braves provided a list of five players from which the White Sox could choose four. Chicago is believed to have the most interest in shortstop Brent Lillibridge and Minor League catcher Tyler Flowers, who was one of the most impressive offensive weapons in this year's Arizona Fall League.
The Braves will also provide two more unidentified prospects. But contrary to earlier reports, Jo-Jo Reyes won't be included in the deal.
While Vazquez wouldn't give the Braves the top-caliber starting pitcher that they've been seeking, he certainly could solidify their depleted rotation. The 32-year-old right-hander has won at least 10 games and completed at least 198 innings during each of the past nine seasons.
Logan, 23, has posted a 5.89 ERA in 144 career appearances. The 5.95 ERA he produced in a career-high 55 appearances this past season might have been affected by fatigue. He posted a 3.00 ERA and allowed opponents a .250 batting average in 39 appearances before the All-Star break.
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Post by MSBNYY on Dec 3, 2008 7:37:27 GMT -5
The good news is that the Angels have not yet made an offer for Sabathia. I'm also wondering the deal with Peavy. The Yanks are still hesitant to get involved because they still don't want to part with Hughes and/or Austin Jackson. But the Cubs and Braves seem to have ended talks as well.
From the Padres point of view, I think they should keep him. Unlike Santana, who was a free agent the following year, Peavy has several years left on his contract, and because of that, the Padres really should get as close to comparable players in return as they can muster.
They are not in a low bargaining position where they should just give him away, and it's bad for baseball if they do. Peavy obviously wants to stay (or get a big time pay raise to go). The Padres SIGNED Peavy to the contract, and they should live with it.
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Post by 9 on Dec 3, 2008 10:52:53 GMT -5
I agree. I honestly don't get why the Padres are looking to shop Peavy, unless they think they can get three or four legitimate, near-MLB ready prospects.
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Post by MSBNYY on Dec 3, 2008 11:02:53 GMT -5
It's obviously salary, which I think is malarky. They signed him.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Dec 3, 2008 11:30:04 GMT -5
Its more than that. Padres are concerned about his longterm durability. And in a case like this, more reason to stay away. This is something that is out there, and I have seen it mentioned in a few "Padres shopping Peavy" stories.
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Post by Chris on Dec 3, 2008 13:10:36 GMT -5
Why the hell wouldn't the Dodgers look at Peavy...he dominates that division.
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Post by MSBNYY on Dec 3, 2008 13:12:20 GMT -5
I can understand that, but if health is an issue, that lowers his trade value. I still think the Padres are the ones dealing from strength, especially given Peavy's salary. There aren't too many pitchers out there that pitch like he does, with that many years, and that low of a salary.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Dec 3, 2008 13:56:31 GMT -5
The problem is the health concerns are not public, and are something that concerns the Padres. They will certainly trade him for as much as they can get for him. If other teams share concerns and offer less, its not worth it for the Padres to trade him. Basically this is a "where there is smoke there is fire" sort of thing. The Padres are trying to get rid of him to where he becomes someone else's problem, while scoring a big load in return.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Dec 4, 2008 11:16:39 GMT -5
Cards are set to nab Khalil Greene from the Padres. Greene was a great fit for that team and city, although he has stumbled at times. He also happens to be one of my favorite ballplayers.
From mlb.com -
Cards to acquire Greene from Padres
San Diego to reportedly receive two pitchers for shortstop
SAN DIEGO -- The Padres have been looking to deal shortstop Khalil Greene this offseason and it looks like they've found their match in the Cardinals.
San Diego has agreed to trade the 29-year-old shortstop to St. Louis for two relievers, according to the San Diego Union-Tribune.
News of the potential deal first surfaced Wednesday in the New York Post, at which time Padres general manager Kevin Towers was unavailable for comment.
Greene hit .213 with 10 home runs and 35 RBIs in 105 games last season after hitting 27 home runs and driving in 97 runs in 2007. He's been a much better hitter (.270, 50 home runs) away from spacious PETCO Park than he has been playing at home (.225, 30 home runs).
The Cardinals are hoping Greene will return to his 2007 form, or close to it, and be an offensive upgrade over Cesar Izturis, a slick fielder who batted .263 with a .319 on-base percentage, one homer and 24 RBIs in 135 games as the starting shortstop last season. He is now a free agent.
Trading Greene, who missed the final two months of the season with a broken hand, an injury that he suffered when he punched a storage unit, leaves the Padres without a proven, everyday shortstop on the Major League roster.
The Padres could use Luis Rodriguez -- who filled in and played well when Greene was injured -- at shortstop, though his natural position is second base.
Greene will make $6.5 million this season. The Padres are trying to shed salary so that their payroll runs somewhere in the $40 million range.
San Diego is looking to add pitching, even if it doesn't move 2007 Cy Young Award winner Jake Peavy in a deal. A trade involving Greene would almost certainly have to net a pitcher who is under team control for the foreseeable future.
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Post by 9 on Dec 4, 2008 11:48:48 GMT -5
Good move by the Cards. I think it's a good assumption that last year's horrible numbers won't happen again. He's a good ballplayer.
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Post by nobeernofun on Dec 9, 2008 0:02:02 GMT -5
I lkie the Giants Pick up's so far. A lefty & Righty for the bullpin & a S.S. now if they can get a S.P. & 3B they will be in the hunt in the west next year ? S.F. having the best off season so far.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Dec 9, 2008 8:45:53 GMT -5
And there are still people mulling over the idea of throwing big money at Sabathia, who would certainly consider it. He wants to play out West, to the point where todays POST said when he ran into LA brass at the meetings he flat-out told them "make me a Dodger"
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Post by Chris on Dec 9, 2008 17:23:01 GMT -5
Ned Colletti has told "sources" that C.C. is as enamored with the Dodgers as they are with him, and told Colletti to get it done.
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Post by nobeernofun on Dec 10, 2008 0:12:46 GMT -5
Ned Colletti has the best Sunday articles. I read him every week.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Dec 12, 2008 15:54:04 GMT -5
Raul Ibanez to the Phils, 3 years and 30 million.
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