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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 1, 2006 17:51:30 GMT -5
So, of all people JJ Putz is being compared to Mariano Rivera. His pitching coach, Rafael Chaves, ranks Putz right up there "at the top." He added, "he can pitch against all of the good ones." Putz has 28 saves in 33 opportunities. Yeah, he's Mo!
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Post by Chris on Sept 1, 2006 17:53:25 GMT -5
I was every bit the Putz fan as I am a Mariano fan, while he was facing the Sox last week! HA!!!!!
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Post by 9 on Sept 1, 2006 18:23:19 GMT -5
Putz is just like Mariano ... only different.
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Post by elliejay21 on Sept 2, 2006 22:24:23 GMT -5
Yeah, and some Red Sox fans told me that Papelbon is BETTER than Mariano... some people REALLY got to lay off the Kool-Aid!
Although, Putz *was* a great pickup for the Barflies...
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 3, 2006 18:33:10 GMT -5
With their win today, the Marlins became the first team since 1899 to reach .500 after being 20 games under earlier in the season.
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Post by globix on Sept 4, 2006 1:34:57 GMT -5
and yet there is still talk of girardi being fired at seasons end. Playing .500, in contention for the Wild Card, and Loria may actually be stupid enough to fire Girardi, becasue he told Loria to stop arguing with umpires.
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Post by JimmyBig on Sept 4, 2006 7:13:05 GMT -5
The White Sox are only 4.5 behind Detroit for the division lead. Leyland will drop dead if they blow it.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 4, 2006 9:22:41 GMT -5
Actually, I have seen a laundry list of reasons why Girardi may be fired, up to and including everyone in the clubhouse and upstairs hates him. I understand the Marlins are succesful, but no one wants to be around someone they cant stand. Also, while Girardi must take credit for a lot of what is going on there, the highly reputed Marlin kids coming through must get a nod too. They have 3 rook hurlers (Olsen, Johnson, Nolasco) with over 10 wins, and that has not happened in eons.
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Post by globix on Sept 7, 2006 0:53:49 GMT -5
I really hope The Marlins make the playoffs, do well, (lose to either The Dodgers or mets in the NLCS), and then Loria has to explain why he's firing the manager who took his $15 Mil payroll to the NLCS
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Post by grover on Sept 7, 2006 1:21:05 GMT -5
Sanchez pitches a no-no in his rookie season, and it's not for the Sox. I love it. I wonder how much oresseure will be put on Beckett as the years go by with Sanchez and Ramirez getting better and helping he Marlins.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 7, 2006 7:19:17 GMT -5
Yeah, Balls wasted a whole heap of time ripping Sanchez and everyone else who went the other way in the Beckett trade. I tried to tell him he was Bostons # 1 pitching prospect at the time (in a system that included guys like Papelbon, Hansen, and Lester, no less) but he did not want to listen. Good for Sanchez, and good for the Marlins. And a pox on the Red Sox and Josh Beckett.
I wish someone, anyone, would have given me the word a no-hitter was being thrown. I was actually watching WWE Classics on MSG, and could have flipped over at any time. Sigh.
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Post by ronmossad on Sept 7, 2006 9:49:10 GMT -5
"Yeah, and some Red Sox fans told me that Papelbon is BETTER than Mariano... some people REALLY got to lay off the Kool-Aid!"
I've been fighting with dumbass Red Sox fans on myspace about this for six months now.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 7, 2006 9:58:26 GMT -5
Thats a waste of an argument. Why even bother. That is just absurd, those sorts of people I would just write off, and find someone else to talk to.
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Post by Bad Mouth Larry on Sept 7, 2006 9:58:47 GMT -5
my boy rob, huge astros fan, left me a message one night in 2004, was it? one of those years the astros almost did it. after lidge closed out a game, he left me a message yelling that he doesnt care what anyone says, lidge is the best closer ever in baseball. he stated, no disrespect to mariano, but lidge really is the man. i laughed my ass off. i wonder if he feels the same today?
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 7, 2006 10:06:11 GMT -5
I guess you got those guys in every city.
The ONLY closer right now who has a right to even put himself into Mariano's stratosphere is Trevor Hoffman. Hoffman's all-time save totals, and more importantly save percentage, are impeccable. But Rivera still outclasses him, and has the championship pedigree to boot.
Rivera is tops, Hoffman is second. These Papelbon folks can go stroke themselves off, and the Lidge idiots can jump off a bridge. Speaking of Lidge, wasnt he Laura's #1 draft pick last year? Looks like SOMEONE bought into the hype!
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Post by Bad Mouth Larry on Sept 7, 2006 10:12:03 GMT -5
lol. the only reason hoffman isnt in the same breath is, the few chances hes had in the postseason, hes shit the bed to some extent.
papelbon has impressed. but he has been hit lately. he may well be very good for years. but those sox fans need to watch him pitch incredible for a decade before the waste breath mentioning mos name together with his.
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Post by ronmossad on Sept 7, 2006 10:12:11 GMT -5
Well the spin went that Papelbon, this year, was better than Mariano. Blah blah that they would prefer Papelbon over Mariano this year blah blah.
It's a great arguement because everyone and their mother knew that Papelbon couldn't keep up that first half malarky all year, just like that entire team couldn't keep winning games in the 8th and 9th innings forever.
And honestly, when it comes to arguing baseball - is there anything more satisfying than torturing Red Sox fans?
LOL @ Brad Lidge by the way
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 7, 2006 10:15:35 GMT -5
Whats funny is the Red Sox think so much of Papelbon as a closer the talk is still moving him back to starting. He closed out of necessity this year. If the kid is really the be-all and end-all in the closing world, they would be switching his whole mentality to that as the set in stone closer.
Well, if Red Sox fans want to argue that, let them. We have first place we can throw back in their face.
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Post by ronmossad on Sept 7, 2006 10:27:12 GMT -5
It just cracks me up that just about everything people said about the Red Sox during MARCH has come to fruition. All season it was "3.0" and "1st place" and "$200 million" and "wah wah injuries are excuses" and all this fucking stupidass malarky like it was all over already.
Vindication is a beautiful thing.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 7, 2006 11:36:24 GMT -5
What people don't get is that while there are a lot of closers that are good, very few of them last as long as Mo. Hoffman of course is one example. But lasting 10 years for a closer is VERY tough.
People can suck off the flashes in the pan like Lidge, Gagne or Papelbon. There will be closers that dominate brilliantly as well or better than Mo for a year or two. Some may even last 3 or 4. But it's very rare to see people last as long as Mo.
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Post by grover on Sept 8, 2006 20:41:39 GMT -5
I heard the Diamondbacks will be changing thier team colors to red/tan for next year, which is good. Hopefully the D-rays will alter thei uniforms up a bit more, teams like the Mets and Red will get ird of black uniforms, and we'll be done with the terrible 90's fashion. They might have the coyote's colors, which is way better than purple/red/gree/grey/black.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 12, 2006 20:41:15 GMT -5
Seems Raggedy Andy's elbow may be in shambles again....
From our friends over at mlb.com.....
ST LOUIS -- Minutes after Astros lefty Andy Pettitte gave up a two-run home run to former teammate Preston Wilson in Tuesday night's game against the Cardinals, he exited with two outs in the third inning with a left elbow flexor muscle strain. He is listed as day-to-day. This injury is much more alarming than the sore left ankle that prevented him from starting Monday's game. Pettitte is two years removed from having season-ending surgery that repaired a torn flexor tendon in his left elbow, and after making a comeback in 2005, he had no major relapses in that area.
Pettitte threw 34 pitches before leaving Tuesday's game. He walked Aaron Miles to open the inning before recording quick outs on Yadier Molina and Jeff Weaver. Scott Spiezio reached on an error by shortstop Eric Bruntlett after Wilson's homer.
A few seconds later, assistant athletic trainer Rex Jones ran to the mound, followed by manager Phil Garner. After a quick discussion, Pettitte walked off the mound
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Post by 9 on Sept 12, 2006 21:15:59 GMT -5
That sucks. I'll always like Pettitte. I hated to see him go, although it turned out to be the right move.
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Post by 9 on Sept 12, 2006 22:30:13 GMT -5
Good job, Kansas City Royals:
CLEVELAND (AP) -- A season of frustrating losses has taken its toll on the Kansas City Royals.
Starting pitcher Runelvys Hernandez and catcher John Buck exchanged punches in the dugout Tuesday night, but the Royals regrouped for a 5-3 victory over the Cleveland Indians in the 1,000th game at Jacobs Field.
"It's September and there was some sort of misunderstanding," Royals manager Buddy Bell said. "Something was said and both guys are extremely competitive, but they have to have a little more poise. We met and straightened things out."
After striking out Ryan Garko with two runners on to end the third inning, Hernandez (6-9) jogged to the dugout, pointed at Buck and began yelling. The players charged each other and began throwing punches before being separated by teammates and coaches.
"Nothing happened," Hernandez insisted despite being told the skirmish was shown on television. "Everything's cool. Let's talk about the game. This was a good win. I thank my teammates for doing a good job."
Buck was unavailable for comment after Kansas City snapped an 11-game losing streak at Jacobs Field, where the Indians are 570-430 since the ballpark opened in 1994.
Both players remained in the game after the fight, and Hernandez allowed three runs over five innings to earn the win. It was Kansas City's first victory in Cleveland since July 20, 2005.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 13, 2006 12:07:25 GMT -5
This sort of thing seems to be happening a lot this year.
Glad to see Ryan Garko makes an appearance in the story. Fans in the minors would play a game where when his name is announced, as soon as the PA guy would finish saying "Garko" the fans would yell "Polo!"
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Post by Chris on Sept 14, 2006 11:38:12 GMT -5
How about Liriano stating that he "heard something pop" in the pitching elbow last night?
WOW, that's BAD for the Twins.
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Post by 9 on Sept 14, 2006 12:27:26 GMT -5
It ain't helping my fantasy team either.
I know it may end up helping the Yankees, but I hate injuries. They're part of the game and all, but it still sucks. This kid can be SO good.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 14, 2006 12:35:51 GMT -5
Liriano should have been shut down. I understand the Twins have some grand designs on the year, but the warning signs were there, to say nothing of the fact that Liriano was in uncharted territory in regards to innings pitched and workload. When he went on the DL last time, he should never have come off.
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Post by 9 on Sept 14, 2006 13:08:04 GMT -5
Yeah, gotta agree with you on all counts there. I really hope the kid bounces back, and I hope he doesn't hear the three words of doom: "Dr. Frank Jobe."
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 14, 2006 14:32:35 GMT -5
Clearly, you have to baby younger pitchers. Makes me glad the Yanks did what they did with Hughes. Build these guys up to 200 IP a year.
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