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Post by Bad Mouth Larry on Sept 7, 2006 11:44:21 GMT -5
you are right, oakland is a great example of how to run a small market team. what you fail to recognize, is that florida another great example of how to run a small market team.
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Post by grover on Sept 7, 2006 11:44:51 GMT -5
But the Marlins aren't doing anything wrong. How do they not deserve to be int he league? They are winning. there is nothing with that at all, and I'm sure the money they save now will get them a nice ball park in Portland or in San Antonio.
The real crime is Glass over in KC. The Marlins are still doing what they can to win, and they are out smarting a lot fo people.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 7, 2006 11:45:51 GMT -5
In hindsight, absolutely.
And anyone who thinks the Marlins are better for baseball is an idiot. There is no logical argument to support a team that doesn't belong in the league against a team that uses its resources to actually winning.
Even you should think that.
If you win, you become more attractive to free agents that want to win. You also draw more people, which gives you more money to put into your teams.
Still, even if you don't buy into that, look at Oakland. They're a great example of how to run a team with a lower budget.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 7, 2006 12:05:22 GMT -5
Once again its Metssuckballs vs EVERYONE ELSE.
Hey, Balls, step back and realize its YOU that is wrong. And its YOU that is the idiot.
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Post by ronmossad on Sept 7, 2006 12:11:47 GMT -5
"Still, even if you don't buy into that, look at Oakland. They're a great example of how to run a team with a lower budget."
How many championships does Oakland have in the past 10 years?
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Post by mac0822 on Sept 7, 2006 12:14:47 GMT -5
Way to be an MSB in training, Moss.
How many titles do the Yankees have in the last 5 years? Way to isolate a time period to prove a point.
Even though the Yankees havent' won a title in 5 years, they've had a "shot" & that's all you can ask for. Same with Oakland.
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Post by cactusjames on Sept 7, 2006 12:19:55 GMT -5
Give me a fucking break. One guy has a good game and people are picking him for the HOF. Jesus H Christ, fucking insanity. Let's point out one thing, some of the best pitchers in baseball history have never thrown a no hitter. One rookie does it and he's the next coming of fucking Nolan Ryan. I'm not saying Beckett is any good, or even when it's all said and done that Beckett will have worse stats than Sanchez, but let's not go apeshit that this is the next big thing here, that this guy is a fucking lock to win 300 games. Shit.
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Post by jwmcc on Sept 7, 2006 12:22:14 GMT -5
No one is saying he's a HOF lock, you dick. There's nothing wrong with giving a guy who tossed a no-hitter props, and ripping people who thought the trade was a joke last winter.
Jw
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 7, 2006 12:22:36 GMT -5
James, go soak your head.
This started before Sanchez pitched the no-hitter. In case you have not noticed (and you havent, cause you are another one blinded by pinstripes) - he has an ERA under 2.50 as a starting pitcher this season.
He's a damn good pitcher.
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Post by Bad Mouth Larry on Sept 7, 2006 12:25:28 GMT -5
ive followed him all year too. in fact, that trade me and pops did, it wouldve been sanchez instead of cameron, but i needed offense too badly. this has nothing to do with the no hitter, except to give us more force in showing the world what a complete and utter moron msb is.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 7, 2006 12:28:24 GMT -5
Mac is putting words in my mouth, and as always, is wrong. But I do believe if the Twins get luxury tax money and don't put it into payroll, they deserve what they get.
You don't need an all star at every position, but you should try to compete.
The Twins have done a good job competing.
As for Tom's comment about "MSB v. everyone else" that's not really true. It's MSB v. the same 5 loud jackasses that think they know shit about a game that they clearly are ignorant about.
The Marlins aren't doing anything wrong? That's ridiculous. They don't draw, and they give away their team every few years. That's a dumb way to run a team and it does not help the team.
The Marlins should be contracted or move. The Marlins and Devil Rays would be the first two teams to go.
The Marlins won't put money into their own team. And they steal the luxury tax money and line their pockets with it.
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Post by ronmossad on Sept 7, 2006 12:29:18 GMT -5
mac you dope - I wasn't saying that Oakland sucks, but to say their performance is "the example" of what small market spending is while discounting Florida's success (and saying they're a "disgrace" to baseball) in the past 10 years is retarded. Like you.
And it's not "isolating" you bum...I was throwing out 10 years because the Marlins have barely been in business for 10 years. Go back to 1993 and compare the teams in championships. Or "success" or whatever.
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Post by Bad Mouth Larry on Sept 7, 2006 12:31:40 GMT -5
i like how marc has ignored my posts.
do you understand that each time the marlins have a fire sale, they stock up on great talent, great CHEAP talent, that they can use for 3-6 years on the cheap. they have already won 2 world championships using this philosophy. you really are a moron.
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Post by cactusjames on Sept 7, 2006 12:33:17 GMT -5
Um wrong, there's no Yankee blinders in this at all. And I'm def not ripping a guy, but this win doesn't mean he's a great talent. He proved people wrong when they said he has no poise, but who's to say he won't tank in a year or two. The guy also did come off Tommy John surgery. I'm not denying he didn't do something awesome, but I'm putting Sanchez on the list of great pitchers around the league. All my point is, this game doesn't make him great, he just had a great game.
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Post by Bad Mouth Larry on Sept 7, 2006 12:35:35 GMT -5
james you moron. he is having a GREAT SEASON. not just yesterday. go back to sleep now and leave this conversation for anyone with a clue, and msb. thanks.
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Post by ronmossad on Sept 7, 2006 12:39:00 GMT -5
"And I'm def not ripping a guy, but this win doesn't mean he's a great talent."
Yeah, because any talentless asshole could have broken the two year+ no-hitter drought.
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Post by cactusjames on Sept 7, 2006 12:39:17 GMT -5
Watch he tanks after this.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 7, 2006 12:41:57 GMT -5
Larry, I'm not ignoring your posts, I'm just disagreeing that this is a great way to run a team. And clearly, a team that can't afford to be in the league, shouldn't be in the league. If this is how they want to do it, they shouldn't get luxury tax money. They still don't draw and the only reason they're in playoff contention is because the entire league sucks.
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Post by cactusjames on Sept 7, 2006 12:44:44 GMT -5
"Yeah, because any talentless asshole could have broken the two year+ no-hitter drought."
Meanwhile, HOF pithcers only come so close as to flirting with a no hitter while other jokes can get no hitters and lose the fucking game.
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Post by cactusjames on Sept 7, 2006 12:48:59 GMT -5
And I never said he had no talent. People pitch no hitters and then fall into the unknown. Just because some rookie did it doesn't mean he's the next great thing. Fuck him and his no hitter, it's the Marlins, who fucking cares.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 7, 2006 12:50:31 GMT -5
And AGAIN, we are not basing our opinions on Sanchez out of this no-hitter alone. Some of us have been touting him not only since the day the trade was made, but BEFORE the trade. AGAIN, he was the Red Sox' top pitching prospect, in a system that included Papelbon, Hansen, and Lester, among others.
The no-hitter simply gave us a good reason to bring him back up to tweak Metssuckballs.
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Post by 9 on Sept 7, 2006 12:52:39 GMT -5
It's working! ;D
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Post by cactusjames on Sept 7, 2006 12:56:05 GMT -5
Again, I understand. But he's 7-2 with a 2.89 era on a shit team. That's really good numbers, and he had a really good fucking game, but he had Tommy John and he's 22. A) who's to say he doesn't blow his arm out? B) You're so confident in this guy you stick him on another team he puts up good numbers? Yeah he's got good stuff, but he did throw a bunch of walks and had more than a handful of good plays backing up what could have been hits. There were times they hit the ball hard on him, I'm not so sure he pitches for some other team he puts up good numbers or even has that kind of a game, sorry. Even top scouts burn out fast and my guess he does. Sorry to ruffle everyones feathers by bashing everyones new favorite pitcher. lol
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Post by Bad Mouth Larry on Sept 7, 2006 13:05:09 GMT -5
Larry, I'm not ignoring your posts, I'm just disagreeing that this is a great way to run a team. And clearly, a team that can't afford to be in the league, shouldn't be in the league. If this is how they want to do it, they shouldn't get luxury tax money. They still don't draw and the only reason they're in playoff contention is because the entire league sucks. i really cant argue with someone who thinks that a team that cant draw (you know they have a SHIT stadium, right?) should be gone no questions asked. even though theyve won 2 of the last 10 world series. you cant argue with ignorance.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 7, 2006 13:21:18 GMT -5
Who says no questions asked? This team has NEVER shown the ability to sustain a franchise and succeed in the BUSINESS of baseball. That's not ignorance. That's fact.
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Post by Bad Mouth Larry on Sept 7, 2006 13:23:16 GMT -5
to me, baseball success=world championships
THE FLORIDA MARLINS ARE MOST CERTAINLY A SUCCESS STORY IN MLB.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 7, 2006 13:24:10 GMT -5
Now THERE is something I can't argue with.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Sept 7, 2006 13:26:47 GMT -5
The Devil Rays are starting to make strides.... if anything, contract the royals and the pirates.
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Post by Bad Mouth Larry on Sept 7, 2006 13:29:39 GMT -5
marc, i think one thing you fail to recognize about the marlins is they DO spend money when the team is close enough to do something. its just that, when they are not even a thought of making the playoffs, they slash payroll to NOTHING, to acquire the young studs, but when this team gets close again, you can be they will spend their money.
the thing is, they are VERY SUCCESSFUL doing this. thats what bugs me about what you say. they are in the downswing of this cycle, and are still a very good team even without much payroll. wait until next year when they buy some free agents. i dont understand why you think they should be punished because of their strategy. i guess all because no fans show up. but who cares about that. when you were still rooting in flushing, the yankees only drew 20K a night. shoud we have been contracted back in the early 90's?
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 7, 2006 13:52:02 GMT -5
Even when they sucked, and you were wearing your old Ray Knight shirt, the Yankees were drawing 2 million a year. And they were still making an effort to win.
Look, I understand your point about the Marlins, but it sickens me to see teams give everyone away.
As I've said many times on the other board, despite the unlikeliness of it happening, I really think baseball needs to cut 4 teams out and go back to 26 teams.
Which four teams go is open but I would start with the 2 Florida teams because they just don't cut it with drawing people. The executives that built championship teams would find jobs elsewhere just like the players would.
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