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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 7, 2006 14:01:45 GMT -5
Uh, for everyone busy lambasting the Marlins and their "kiddie corp." - they are currently playing OVER .500 baseball, at 70-69.
If anything, the Marlins are going to move to a community that supports baseball. They are playing good enough baseball this season that they can not be blamed for not pulling crowds.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 7, 2006 14:04:02 GMT -5
They are playing over .500 ball is not a sign that they are good, it's a sign that the entire league stinks.
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Post by Bad Mouth Larry on Sept 7, 2006 14:04:46 GMT -5
i cant beleive florida doesnt support baseball. it just doesnt make any sense. i dont get it.
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Post by ronmossad on Sept 7, 2006 14:56:23 GMT -5
Well they do - they support the Yankees, Red Sox, Mets and wherever else they came from.
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Post by 9 on Sept 7, 2006 15:00:12 GMT -5
Two LOLs: One for Mossad's last post, and the other for the idea that a no-hitter by a Florida Marlin who came from Boston's system started up a three-page-and-counting thread (deservedly)!
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 7, 2006 15:12:55 GMT -5
A lot of those people in Florida are too old to go to games. And there is a large illegal immigrant contingent that does not want to be seen out in public without a hammer or a dishcloth in their hand. And a good amount are at Disneyland. That about covers it.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Sept 7, 2006 15:40:44 GMT -5
Hey now, i lost my dishtowel....... I have no idea why baseball can't succeed, other than where they put the trop. If they had put it closer to downtown, i know i'd go a lot more.......
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Post by grover on Sept 7, 2006 18:19:35 GMT -5
Floria is a college/pro football town. If it's not the Dolphins, Miami, FSU or the Gators they don't give a shit.
And Balls, the average joe doesn;t look at the standings and go "Well the rest of the league must suck" they are not drawing because it's a terrible market for baseball.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 7, 2006 18:49:20 GMT -5
I'm not going to argue that it's not a terrible market for baseball. It shouldn't be, given the population being so large. They're not ALL old and mostly dead. The fact that it CAN draw in other sports shows that it should theoretically be able to draw in baseball.
You would think there's ROOM, especially since for the most part, the seasons don't overlap that much.
I guess you can say that for all football states/cities.
But don't you think people who decided where to put a baseball team would KNOW this? And why put TWO teams in Florida?
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Post by grover on Sept 7, 2006 20:59:49 GMT -5
Also, remember that Florida is littered with people moving there from other states, so they do like baseball, just not the Marlins or D-Rays.
I know what you mean by owners lining the pockets, but Florida isn't one of them. they did shell out cash after they won in 03 to try to stay good, and they just want out of Florida.
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Post by elliejay21 on Sept 7, 2006 23:09:49 GMT -5
I have not looked at the numbers on this... I could be way off, but it seems to me that most of the high profile off season pitching acquisitions, both trades and FA signings, have crapped out when it was a NL pitcher coming to the AL...
Balls thinks in a very Steinbrennerian way... anyone who looked good AGAINST the Yankees in a big spot MUST awesome!
I don't like how the Marlins compete, but it's better than how the Yankees do it... I never thought I'd be begging for the salary cap because the whole idea repulses my political and economic ideology, but the past few years have really pissed me off. The exponential increases in payroll are ridiculous AND bad for baseball. I want to watch a TEAM and see players develop... I already have an underperforming fastasy team to root for.
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Post by elliejay21 on Sept 7, 2006 23:20:01 GMT -5
Oops... I posted before I saw the last page... - I didn't know there is an age limit to go to ballgames.
- The fear of being seen in public does not stop all the illegals from Washington Heights, when they want to see Pedro...
- Disneyland is in California.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 8, 2006 6:35:41 GMT -5
Laura, as usual, is flat out wrong when she speaks for me, and more important, about the game of baseball. The Marlins way of competing is awful, and no, I don't judge players by how they compete against the Yankees. Then again, Laura judges players by the shape of their asses, so she really isn't one to take too seriously.
Beckett's age and accomplishments rated him as a highly coveted pitcher. A bad year doesn't change that.
A salary cap is the single dumbest idea you could have for baseball. You don't punish teams for being successful and you don't reward teams that fail. The Marlins don't deserve an equal playing field. Let them compete or go under.
Let the market determine where players go, not some artificial communist cap. What's next, picking the world champion out of a hat so the people in other towns feel better about themselves?
A player who busts his ass and hones his skill shouldn't have to limit what he can make because some putz in Kansas City doesn't want to go to a ballpark. An owner shouldn't have his competitive desire to win, and his willingness to make it happen stifled because some asshole across the country is too cheap to do the same.
Dynasties are NOT a bad thing. If you want a team to lose, do what it takes to beat them at their own game.
The Yankees have had the highest payroll, and zero championships for 5 years going on 6. The team with the highest payroll does NOT always win. It's not the team that spends the most, it's the team that spends the BEST that wins. The teams that don't spend at all don't belong in the league, and they should not be catered to.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 8, 2006 7:22:52 GMT -5
First, to touch on a couple of points....
I didn't know there is an age limit to go to ballgames.
No kidding! That said, the elderly tend not to trudge out to the ballpark in any great numbers. Obvious point, right over your head.
Disneyland is in California.
Whoop-de-damn do! My point was made. Again, you are covering the semantic side of things. People hate nitpickers. Dont wear out your welcome here like you did on the last board.
As for a salary cap, I have been calling for one for years. The way the Yankees do business is disgusting, quite frankly. We need a level playing field.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 8, 2006 7:29:04 GMT -5
Commie.
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Post by mac0822 on Sept 8, 2006 8:05:11 GMT -5
This is coming from a guy that thinks Exxon taking an extra $1000 from every American household this year, by having $3/gallon gas prices is "good for the economy".
Trickle down!
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 8, 2006 9:13:04 GMT -5
Trickle down is good, but nowhere did anyone say that higher gas prices are good. But that said, you can't cap them. All that would do would be leading to big gas lines and a shortage.
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Post by mac0822 on Sept 8, 2006 9:33:38 GMT -5
Didn't the shitty economy during Bush Sr's 4 years show you that Trickle Down, doesn't work? Reagan destroyed the economy with his sucking off of big business. Do people forget the recession of the late 80's?
Explain to me how Exxon can record BILLIONS & BILLIONS more profit than ever before, as the little guy struggles to pay for doubled gas prices? Explain to me why the prices raise based on "threats", but when the threat isn't realized, the price never drops? Explain to me why there would be a shortage? You think people would go buy up extra gas if the price dropped? I know I buy the gas I need - no more - no less.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 8, 2006 9:36:21 GMT -5
This will be the last political post in this thread, but economies are cyclical, and the Bush Sr. economy was recovering a year before he left office, just like the Clinton economy was tanking a year before HE left office. The economy in the 1980s was damn good.
Blame the Arabs and terrorism for the gas prices. I realize all liberals do is blame Bush for everything, but get a clue. Next you'll blame Bush for Lester's cancer.
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Post by mac0822 on Sept 8, 2006 9:44:28 GMT -5
Take it to the Political Thread, Marc.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 8, 2006 9:49:39 GMT -5
Ha. No need. Consider it done. Back to baseball.
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Post by grover on Sept 8, 2006 13:08:53 GMT -5
We need a cap for the honor of the game.
When teams stay afloat because of cash it takes away from the game. The NFL is more popular than EVER, and it's at the point where anymore teams would send it into chaos. Yet, it doesn't really have teams that run away with the title or a ton of teams that are out from the start like in baseball.
Baseball, more than any sport, needs that type of system. Teams should be able to move players and compete in 3-4 years not 15-20.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 8, 2006 13:28:01 GMT -5
We CAN'T have a cap for the honor of the game. There is no honor in forcing a team to hold back on trying to win. It's a competition. And the NFL shouldn't have a cap either.
In the NFL, you can't build dynasties and have trouble keeping your team together. It's asinine.
If parity is what you want, contraction is the answer. There never was more parity than when there were 26 teams.
A salary cap is just dumb.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 8, 2006 13:32:37 GMT -5
No, the Yankees having a 200 million dollar payroll cause no one can stop them is dumb.
Paying more for your set-up men than many teams pay a 25 man roster is dumb.
Winning a World Championship simply cause you can buy it is dumb. Time to level the playing field.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 8, 2006 13:35:39 GMT -5
And that's the YANKEES' right. It's not like you need a $200 million payroll to win a championship. But if the Yankees want spend $200 BILLION, that's their right. If they want to overpay, that's THEIR business, not the Royals'.
The market dictates what a player is worth.
No team has ever won a championship because they can buy it. Money helps, but it guarantees nothing. That's why the team with the highest payroll doesn't win every year.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 8, 2006 13:37:25 GMT -5
No, it appears the YANKEES dictate what a player is worth.
And just cause one stupid team pays 8 million for a tattered-arm starting pitcher it does not mean the Yankees need to go out and buy a bunch of them.
There WILL be a salary cap in the next decade and it will be a good thing.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 8, 2006 13:42:44 GMT -5
Wrong again. If you followed free agency at all, you would know that the Yankees almost NEVER dictate what a player is worth. If one team decides a player is worth $10 million, then all players on that level become worth $10 million. Don't blame the Yankees for that. Blame teams like the Mets, Rangers, and Red Sox for bloating the market. Just because these idiots shoot their load and can only buy one of these players, don't whine about the Yankees.
And the reason the NFL salary cap happened in part is because their union is nowhere NEAR as strong as the MLBPA.
It will be VERY difficult to get a salary cap in baseball, and THAT is a good thing.
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Post by grover on Sept 8, 2006 13:47:08 GMT -5
Sure it's the Yankees right, and it's my right to pierce my dick 12 times, that doesn't mean it's a good thing.
The Yanks and Red sox are not breaking any rules of course, but the game overall would be better, and it would put more worth on the title if it is done with a minimum and maximum cap. That way regardless of a bad owner, a good GM can get teams like the Pirates and Royals out the gutter. It woun't promise any results right away, but teams on the fence will improve greatly.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 8, 2006 13:52:16 GMT -5
Yeah, but if you want to pierce your dick 12 times, that's your business. It's your dick. There should never be a hindrance on any team trying to win with a maximum cap. Let the market determine the price of a player. All teams, even the Yankees, want to win and spend the least amount of money to do it. All players want to make the most they can.
If a team like the Pirates and Royals can't get out of the gutter, that's THEIR problem, not the problem of teams that try to win.
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Post by grover on Sept 8, 2006 13:53:38 GMT -5
Oh, and revenue sharing is what made the NFL what it is today. That's way laste Giants owner Wellington Mara was so respected. He didnt have to give up anything, but he knew with no teams no one would care, and he gave up cash to make things better and helped the league flourish.
Baseball needs a cap, especially with free agency.
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