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Post by 9 on Jan 4, 2008 8:55:20 GMT -5
I don't like Cameron, either, but if the Santana deal goes through, it looks like he'll benefit from being in the right place at the right time.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 4, 2008 8:55:36 GMT -5
Should The Dever get credit for this prediction if Hughes is included in the deal?
Uh, no. Why? I myself emailed you the Hughes/Cabrera for Santana trade days before it hit the papers, and told you to keep zipped cause I was asked not to pass that around. Then it hit the papers, if the trade is made Dever simply read the papers.
Also, no need to worry about crediting him if Hughes is not in the deal, cause that is not happening. If it does, by all means...but it wont. Never happen. Cameron is fun to watch in the outfield. A Hell of a fielder, and he has some jack with the bat and is a pest around the bases. Take what Melky does, and raise the bar a couple of notches, and you have Cameron.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 4, 2008 8:58:15 GMT -5
Sure, if you lower the batting average 30 points, take away the ability to switch hit, add 12 years in age, add about 100 strikeouts, and some drugs. Cameron is not a good player and his best days are behind him.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 4, 2008 11:43:38 GMT -5
Poking around a few places this morning, from all accounts the Yankees had looked to get Kennedy out of the deal and replaced, most likely by Marquez. They are waiting on the Twins now, and Hank is bellowing the Yankees have made "the best offer" out there.
How is this for a funny Hank quote. Talk about brass balls. Looks like we dont need to make this trade, cause in a few years no one will be able to touch us. Thats just FACT! LOL.
We're going to have the best pitching by far in baseball in two or three years, and we'll be tough this year," Steinbrenner said
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 4, 2008 12:51:57 GMT -5
Obviously a lot of people are very high on Hughes. That's why the Twins want him so badly. Yankee or not, Hughes' career will be interesting to watch.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 4, 2008 12:52:59 GMT -5
IF he stays healthy. He has not been able to prove any sort of durability.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 4, 2008 12:57:55 GMT -5
I still say that given his age, that's not really a fair thing to say. He DID stay healthy in 2006. His injuries in 2007 were NOT arm related, or related to anything from 2004-2005. And he's only 22 years old. Even Santana was only throwing about 160 innings at that age.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Jan 4, 2008 23:34:05 GMT -5
Cameron >Melky
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 5, 2008 9:12:55 GMT -5
Only when it comes to knowing which stimulant to take.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Jan 5, 2008 21:39:51 GMT -5
Melky could take horse pills and he wouldn't be even close to Cameron...
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 5, 2008 21:58:52 GMT -5
Right now, Cameron could be injected with Barry Bonds' drugs and not be as good as Melky.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 5, 2008 22:01:21 GMT -5
Right now, Cameron could be injected with Barry Bonds' drugs and not be as good as Melky. If he were better than Melky, the Twins could just sign him and not NEED Melky.
But if you need a strikeout, Cameron's your man.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 10, 2008 7:09:18 GMT -5
According to today's Daily News, Hank is just about convinced to walk away from the Santana deal. He feels that the price of high level talent, combined with a huge contract is too much, though if he were just a free agent, he'd likely be into it.
If this is the case, I hope the team stays healthy and the kids develop.
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Post by jwmcc on Jan 10, 2008 7:40:19 GMT -5
and will finish third this year.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 10, 2008 7:43:46 GMT -5
People predict the Yanks finishing third every year. Eventually it will happen, and in this case, it may be necessary to finish third this year to build a team that can win for many years.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 10, 2008 8:41:18 GMT -5
I am sure Boston is just thrilled to hear this news, and I would imagine they are getting on the horn with the Minny brass today. I would expect a Santana to Boston deal in the next week or so.
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Post by Chris on Jan 10, 2008 14:00:30 GMT -5
Boston is in no hurry to sign Santana. The BEST thing for Boston is for the Yanks to drop out of the Santana bidding, and for them to stand pat on their current rotation - this way they have a superior rotation AND won't be saddled with a 100 million dollar pitchers contract (how many 100 million dollar pitchers contracts have worked out?).
As it stands now: Boston's ACE is miles better than our "ace", their two and three guys are arguably better than our 2 and 3 guys, and AT BEST for the Yanks, 4 and 5 are a wash.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 10, 2008 14:02:44 GMT -5
Plus, they would have similar logic of not wanting to give up a big package AND signing him long term. That said, they may pull the trigger tomorrow.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 10, 2008 14:04:45 GMT -5
Superior rotation to the Yankees or not, getting Santana would elevate that to a level where it would not even be remotely close. Sox get Santana and the Yankees hold serve, start printing out the Boston Division Winning shirts and caps now.
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Post by Chris on Jan 10, 2008 14:10:11 GMT -5
But Why? The Sox would have to give up young guys that they don't necessarily want to give up, AND would be saddled with the oogidy-boogidy 100 Million Dollar pitcher.
It would be like a guy in a Corvette adding nitrous for a race against a Yugo. There's no need, and if anything Boston is at least a little more frugal than the Yanks. On paper, Boston beats the Yankees 3 out 5, and the other two games are toss-ups. If the Yanks don't nab Santana, Boston won't either - my prediction. We'll see how it pans out.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 10, 2008 14:12:55 GMT -5
Santana isn't $100 million. He would be $120 or $140 million, depending on whether he gets 6 or 7 years. For NY and Boston, assuming a 40 percent luxury tax, that's $168-$196 million. For one player.
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Post by 9 on Jan 10, 2008 14:18:12 GMT -5
And Santana doesn't even throw a gyro ball.
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Post by area51 on Jan 10, 2008 21:40:15 GMT -5
I honestly don't get it.... I know is easy when is somebody else's money, BUT ...Why did we sign Posada and Mo ? I think the Yanks SHOULD BE IN A WIN NOW attitude and if Santana goes to Boston we are not winning for 5 years.... that will be about 1.2 billion down the drain.... i know we have to give up a lot, but we must. And we don't need the mutts getting him, who knows they may get lucky and win the series and then we will be really fucked, listening to all met fans on top of the Boston fans.....
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 10, 2008 23:04:47 GMT -5
Report: Mets gaining in Santana race National League club could have edge in dealings with Twins
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MINNEAPOLIS -- Since the Johan Santana sweepstakes began in late November, the Yankees and the Red Sox have been considered the frontrunners in the race for the ace. But that title may now be shifting to another club -- the Mets.
The Minneapolis Star-Tribune reported Thursday that the Twins are interested in a package the Mets have offered. It includes top pitching prospect Deolis Guerra, outfielder Carlos Gomez and pitchers Kevin Mulvey and Phil Humber.
The report also stated the deal could be sealed if the Mets agree to also include coveted outfield prospect Fernando Martinez.
Gomez, 22, would fill the hole the Twins currently have in center field. He's known for his speed, which could make him the table-setter the club is seeking for the top of the lineup. But Gomez hasn't been a consistent offensive threat during his four Minor League seasons. He's struck out 250 times in 1,251 at-bats and holds a .339 on-base percentage.
Guerra, a 6-foot-5 right-hander out of Venezuela, struck out 66 batters while amassing a 4.01 ERA in 89 2/3 innings for Class A Port St. Lucie of the Florida State League last season. He will turn 19 in April. Mulvey and Humber were once highly coveted prospects, but now each is considered by scouts to be end-of-the-rotation-type starters.
Martinez, who turned 19 in October, ended last season at Double-A Binghamton and recently was named the Mets' top prospect by Baseball America.
The Mets' resurgence in the Santana race comes on the heels of reports out of New York that the Yankees' interest may be waning. Yankees senior vice president Hank Steinbrenner told the New York Daily News in Thursday's editions that "nothing new" has occurred in trade talks for Santana and he's beginning to lean away from the idea due to the potential cost.
"What it comes down to right now is giving up a lot [in a trade] and then having to do the big contract, as well," Steinbrenner said. "If [Santana] was just a free agent, we could just go ahead and do it. There's a big difference this way. We have to sign him as if he's a free agent, plus you have to give up major talent. That's a tall order."
Boston's two offers reportedly have not changed since the Winter Meetings. The Red Sox offered left-hander Jon Lester as the headliner in one deal and center fielder Jacoby Ellsbury in another. But they have been unwilling to offer both in the same deal.
There is reason to believe the Mets could end up with the ace lefty. Of the three teams most highly linked in the race, the Mets have the biggest need for Santana's services. And a deal with the Mets would send Santana to the National League, something the Twins likely would prefer.
The Mets also have shown a new willingness to pay the price tag of Santana's extension. Earlier this winter, it seemed the club was hesitant to give up the funds it would take to sign Santana to the six- or seven-year, $140 million extension he's reportedly seeking. Now, that doesn't appear to be the case.
Still, no deal appears imminent, and there is no indication as to when the stalemate between the Twins and any of the clubs pursuing Santana could end.
Twins general manager Bill Smith has reiterated that the team is not unwilling to head to Spring Training with Santana as part of its staff. But indications are the club would prefer to make a deal before then.
So for now, the waiting continues.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 11, 2008 6:51:30 GMT -5
You can't let what other teams do affect what you do. If the Yankee brass does not feel this is right, they should pass.
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Post by 9 on Jan 11, 2008 8:58:39 GMT -5
Couldn't agree more, especially if the other team is in the National League.
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Post by Chris on Jan 11, 2008 12:50:29 GMT -5
Last I heard on SNY this morning, the Mets are the horse to beat in this race.
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Post by 9 on Jan 11, 2008 13:44:07 GMT -5
This stuff changes every day. Boston will be the favorite tomorrow.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 15, 2008 10:35:18 GMT -5
So basically, according to the Post, the Twins still expect Hughes, Kennedy, Melky and Marquez. The Yankees will not take that deal.
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Post by 9 on Jan 15, 2008 11:12:14 GMT -5
Nor should they.
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