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Post by Chris on Jan 24, 2007 15:00:48 GMT -5
"it affects the humanoids" ... if you say so Bobby The Brain!
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 25, 2007 18:26:22 GMT -5
Last night's Idol at least showed some real contenders. The 16 year old black guy that Paula wanted to jump was a good singer. What was really weird was how much the guest judge looked like Joan Collins.
I couldn't stand the chicks that kept crying though. The most annoying was the one that was afraid to call her dad. She deserved a pie in the face.
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Post by Chris on Jan 26, 2007 1:54:41 GMT -5
I loved that her Dad, after hearing her crying and urging him not to be mad, said, "Who is this."
I don't know Balls...to me it's pretty clear that Sundance Head is far and away the strongest singer of the ones chosen to move on...unlike seasons past which I don't believe had one clear standout amongst the audition winners. However, despite the fact that Ruben Studdard won this, I believe this is a contest about being a pop-star, and not merely a singing contest. So it's my fear that Sundance's bulk may work against him as there are contestants who are certainly better looking than him.
BTW...I think last night was another "tipsy" night for Paula.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 26, 2007 7:14:18 GMT -5
Sundance Head is an early favorite. He's a contender, but I think there are others. I would expect several of the people moving forward in NY to at least make the 32.
That chick who begged to get on who made it to Hollywood twice was very annoying--until they did the soap opera music. That was very clever on the part of the producers.
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Post by Chris on Jan 26, 2007 15:19:14 GMT -5
Until she opened her mouth and spoke, I thought that girl was "New York" from the Flavor Flav show.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 26, 2007 15:49:05 GMT -5
It must suck to make it to Hollywood twice and then get shot down in the auditions.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 26, 2007 16:13:01 GMT -5
Not really. They made TV, and you're talking about them, after all.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 26, 2007 16:18:37 GMT -5
I don't remember this girl at all though. It's very possible she didn't make TV in previous years.
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Post by Chris on Jan 26, 2007 16:58:06 GMT -5
The standard running joke at my house is, everytime a good looking young male contestant comes on, we say, "Paula is gonna sleep with that guy!"
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 31, 2007 9:35:38 GMT -5
So last night's Idol was a bit better. The audition shows are much better at 1 hour than 2. Less crap. One of the contestants that made it through to Hollywood is named Bernard Williams.
Bernie Williams. Gotta root for him.
The Jack Osbourne clone is overrated, but I hope he gets to the vote. The sarcastic sense of humor rules.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 31, 2007 9:37:24 GMT -5
I agree, the one hour formula is not nearly as mind-numbing. As soon as I really start to get aggravated, its over, and thats a good thing. They also tend to show more of the good, and not as much as the carny hokey jokies. ' I like the big white guy who was cracking jokes too. I dont believe him to be overrated at all.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 31, 2007 10:05:32 GMT -5
Maybe it was because he was singing accapella, but he was missing some notes. That audition usually isn't what they are at their best.
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Post by Chris on Feb 1, 2007 2:54:44 GMT -5
Just caught up on the Alabama auditions - seemed a little less over the top.
One thing for sure - reality show editors are getting more and more careless about at least keeping up the appearance of continuity.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 1, 2007 7:19:31 GMT -5
The Alabama auditions were better than the LA auditions.
Again, arguably the best singer of the night was a backup singer for Christina Aguilera. It still annoys me because I consider that person to be a professional singer, and even though he can compete based on the rules, it seems to defeat the true nature of the show which is to find someone out of nowhere. This person already has connections.
But I have to admit, he was pretty damn good.
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Post by Chris on Feb 1, 2007 7:38:42 GMT -5
"It still annoys me because I consider that person to be a professional singer, and even though he can compete based on the rules, it seems to defeat the true nature of the show which is to find someone out of nowhere. This person already has connections. "
I agree with this completely. Even though it isn't stated specifically, this contest is about "discovering an unknown talent" - these backup singers are hardly unknowns compared to the other contestants. I don't like that one bit.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 1, 2007 7:42:04 GMT -5
I had the same issue with Paris last year. The only difference is that Paris was extremely annoying too. Both the guy and the girl were better than Paris. The guy though is better than the girl. The whole, "I'm too modest to step up to the front and am scared" gimmick will get annoying fast.
I'll be pulling for singers without connections.
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Post by Chris on Feb 1, 2007 7:43:21 GMT -5
But wasn't Paris simply a relative of a famous singer? I don't take umbrage with that.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 1, 2007 7:55:47 GMT -5
I still have an issue with that. You saw flat out that the judges were fawning over the relative, who she brought to the audition. It immediately made Paris a teacher's pet. And like I've said before, the judges' praise affects the humanoids. Many are mindless drones who do what the judges say.
By the way, how about that old guy last night? His voice actually wasn't that bad. It would have been funny if they put him through to Hollywood and got him to the vote.
Some of my thoughts on that--
I was thinking that if he made it to the finals, he might die on stage, which would bring ratings.
I also wanted to see him fight Old Man Jimmy. That would have been cool.
It would have been funny if someone gave him a pie to the face, followed by a wedgie. When he fell to the ground, the judges could have put the boots to him and dropped some elbows. The producers would be in the background shouting "ECW! ECW!" Maybe even a con-chair-to. Then a midget could come from out of nowhere and headbutt him in the balls.
That said, he actually wasn't a horrible singer by any means.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Feb 1, 2007 8:35:17 GMT -5
Balls, you have been really stretching with some of your jokes, which are actually approaching wretched monologue lengths recently. What did you do, drink a carton of unfunny juice? Your rant about the old man, Old Man Jimmy, and the wedgie was painful to read.
Even though it isn't stated specifically, this contest is about "discovering an unknown talent" - these backup singers are hardly unknowns compared to the other contestants. Eh, can you explain to me how any of these "background singers" are NOT unknown?? Outside of their family, who knew them??? Whats next, you want to ban local karaoke legends? What if Bald Vinny could sing, should be be banned cause he was on the cover of a book? Should we ban the daughter of a New York Giant? Was it fair that Ozzie Smith's son got through? Was that an unfair advantage?
You guys are idiots.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 1, 2007 8:49:18 GMT -5
Tom, you just don't appreciate true talent.
Bald Vinny being on the cover of a book has nothing to do with the music industry. Karaoke legends are not professional singers. Neither are pro athletes. Neither is Brooke Hogan.
Fool!
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Post by yanksgooner on Feb 1, 2007 10:16:00 GMT -5
i hear the ratings are down on this show....and it's certainly making less waves than last season. I mean, it's just a blip of what the show used to be and I can easily see it getting cancellled within a year or so.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Feb 1, 2007 10:16:52 GMT -5
That old gag.
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Post by Chris on Feb 1, 2007 14:06:18 GMT -5
Tom, could you throw any more red herrings into that tirade? How the hell does Vinny being on a book cover affect his status as an amateur singer?
This is a singing competition. The whole premise (which you even seemed to agree with) is to discover some unknown singing talent, which implicitly suggests that they should be amateurs or at the very least struggling singers who may have done a thing or two here and there professionally. The fact that someone is already being paid (and we're not talking about a guy who sings in the Dick Van Dyke costume from Mary Poppins in a Disney parade...we're talking about Christina Agui-fuckin-llerra's backup singer) to sing, especially to sing on a BIG-TIME recording artists' record, tells me that she is known plenty well enough to pursue a singing career via another avenue. It takes the fun out of the whole premise Tom. How would like to go play in an over-the-line softball tournament against a team that included Barry Bonds...hell even a team that included Bobby Bonds...you wouldn't like it...it wouldn't be fair and it would take the fun as well as some of the uncertainty out of the competition.
I don't agree with Balls' take on the relatives at all.....but if you are paid as professional singer, then you should not be allowed to participate in American Idol. You should cut a record and go shop it around. You think the Chris Daughtry's of the world stand a chance if the American Idol talent pool is going to become crowded with background singers who've toured the world with legendary vocalists like Al B. Sure?
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Post by $heriff Tom on Feb 1, 2007 14:13:09 GMT -5
Cho, sometimes, for someone so smart, you sure play dumb on here.
Are you honestly saying someone should be disqualified from being featured in a TV contest that is voted on by the American Public because they chose to sing backup, ANONYMOUSLY for the most part, on a record no one gives a crap about??
And you guys need to do more research. Taylor Hicks put out THREE albums on his own dime, made money off of them, and played the local circuit FOR YEARS. Come to think of it, he charged at the door to see him....should he be disqualified? After all, by your stupid logic, he is a professional.
Tom, could you throw any more red herrings into that tirade? How the hell does Vinny being on a book cover affect his status as an amateur singer?
This was directed more at Balls than you - Balls complained cause Paris had a family member that sang. "An in." Thats a bunch of crap. You guys spend more time worrying about stupid stuff...
AND, BOTTOM LINE - the people want to see good singers, they want to vote on good singers. THEY DO NOT CARE that some of them sang backup. Only you guys seem to care. These ARE unknown singers.
For Christs sake.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 1, 2007 14:45:34 GMT -5
They don't just choose to sing backup, they get paid for it. And you don't get to be a major superstar's backup singer without having a SHITLOAD of talent. Anyone who can be Aguilera's backup will almost definitely make the finals on Idol.
By your logic, Celene Dion could enter this thing and you'd have no problem.
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Post by Chris on Feb 1, 2007 15:02:13 GMT -5
Well, here's where it gets a bit dodgy. When someone pops up on stage, and proclaims they were Christina Aguillera's backup singer, then that suggests to me that this chick (or man) makes his/her living as a consistently working backup singer - they are known throughout the music industry as someone who is a versatile, solid singer of a professional caliber. That, to me, detracts from the premise of this show. Now I don't even know that to be the case with constants involved this season - but the idea is out there without any clarification and it bugs me a little.
Now if someone pops up on stage and says, "Oh yeah I love to sing and I even got to sing back up for the legendary Nena Cherry one time" - well OK, that's kind of a different story.
I don't know the specifics about the careers of the two people we've seen thus far who are backup singers for major-label recording artists. Perhaps it was a one or few-time thing - perhaps they are not professional backup singers by trade - then I guess we can have a judgment call.
As a viewer of the show, I'd like to have an a good idea on where any given contestant lies on the sliding scale from novice-amateur to seasoned-professional.
I think a large part of the appeal of the show is that people have their favorites...I know I do. And if I going to week 1 of the show knowing that my favorite has to go up against some one who's been singing on the road in Humungodome Stadiums for the past year with Mariah Carey, then it's going to discourage me...that's all I'm sayin' man. I just want it to be a fair competition and pros vs. amateurs in almost any aspect of life tends to be less than fair.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Feb 1, 2007 15:09:05 GMT -5
LOL @ you two hens. You are the only 2 people having this inane conversation. NO ONE CARES. These people are still unknowns to the people watching this on TV.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 1, 2007 15:49:00 GMT -5
That's because the humanoids are sheep.
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Post by Chris on Feb 1, 2007 16:10:44 GMT -5
"You are the only 2 people having this inane conversation" -- somehow I doubt that.
I haven't even seen the 2nd person to audition claiming to be a professional back up singer. I only saw the first one - and the first thing that popped into my head was..."hold on, wait a minute, did she just say she was a professional backup singer? Now that doesn't seem fair." Somehow I guessing, that across the nation with the millions of viewers, someone else had the same thought....probably someone in a very intelligent region of the country! ;D
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Post by $heriff Tom on Feb 1, 2007 16:13:37 GMT -5
Most people are not dumb enough to equate "being a professional backup singer" to "not being an unknown."
These are still hidden, unknown talents to probably 99.99/100th % of the 35 million plus who watch this show week to week, if not the full 100% statistically.
If we are going to waste time in this thread arguing about stupid crap like this, I will limit my Idol chatter to the wrestling board I frequent, and you guys can continue on with yourselves.
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