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Post by cactusjames on Sept 23, 2006 20:51:37 GMT -5
And either way there's no way around Melky sitting on the bench.
And you're right about Giambi's wrist, but he's gotten somewhat better at D. Donnie's been working with him a lot and when he has played first, he hasn't done that bad. But you won't admit that and accuse me of not watching the games, spout theroies as if they're true and really are just biased all around. It's like talking to a brick wall.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 24, 2006 0:08:30 GMT -5
Donnie's been working with him, but he sucks. There's only so much Donnie can do. I watch him. I remember a game he single handedly lost in St. Louis because he couldn't catch a ball. Yeah, Melky will be on the bench, and the team will be worse because of it. All because of some slow, injured, junkie cheater.
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Post by cactusjames on Sept 24, 2006 8:59:37 GMT -5
LOL, so when Melky doesn;t start a game and Giambi is hugging Torre you'll be pissed off and not cheering right? How about being a yankee fan instead of being a perfection seeker, which in case you and Steinbrenner aren't aware, perfect dosn't exist. There's a team that takes the feild that you claim to root for, so root for they'rem players and stop making up "facts" to support your desire to get Giambi out of the lineup. Cause really, I know deep down you just like to make up this shit so you can always be right, there's no way you can really belive some of the shit that comes out of your mouth. This is like talking to the yankee version of Howard Stern.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 24, 2006 9:29:59 GMT -5
I never said I wouldn't root for the team if Giambi plays. I said that the team would be worse if Melky is benched.
No one ever said perfection exists. But you should put your best team out there, and the best Yankee team has Melky in left. There are no made up facts. Just facts. Find one thing I made up.
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Post by cactusjames on Sept 24, 2006 9:45:25 GMT -5
A walk isn't as important as a hit.
This team being worse with Melky om the bench. Two made up lies just to support your argument Giambi should be benched not because of play, because you just don't like him. Thank god youre not the Yankee coach. Instead of going through the motions over and over and over, just say, I don't want Giambi playing because I don't like him, he has the potential to make something happen, drive in runs and have good at bats, but I hate his fuking guts and he shouldn't play because I don't like him.
Just say that instead of coming up with insane theroies.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 24, 2006 10:18:34 GMT -5
A walk is NOT as good as a hit. That's not a lie. It's a very simple concept that was explained with several examples. Just because you are burying your head in the sand, closing your eyes, and yelling "LALALALA" doesn't change the truth.
And the team IS worse with Melky on the bench. This comes from WATCHING the games. He plays defense and hits 40 points higher. He's the best defensive OFer on the team. Period. Again, backed up by his performance on the field. That's not a lie either.
Giambi stinks. Look at his numbers over the last month. Whether I like him or not doesn't change that he can't play.
If someone has to stay out of the lineup for Giambi, it should be Sheff. If someone has to stay out of the lineup for Sheff, it should be Giambi. The team will be worse if the two of them are in the lineup and Melky is on the bench. Again, if you followed the team, you would know this.
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Post by cactusjames on Sept 24, 2006 11:28:14 GMT -5
"A walk is NOT as good as a hit. That's not a lie. It's a very simple concept that was explained with several examples. Just because you are burying your head in the sand, closing your eyes, and yelling "LALALALA" doesn't change the truth."
Get off your soapbox man, jesus fuckign christ. An opinion different than yours qualifies as not knowing or following the team. you're the only one huh? I bury my head in the sand and yell lalala? Um dude, have you looked in a fucking mirror, there's sand in your hair and stuck in your ears.
Honstely, as long as you hold batting avg to be the end all know all of baseball stats, there's no having a discussion with you. Nothing else matters than avg, fuck obp, fuck drawing walks, fuck all of the other stats except avg, and if you aren't hitting homeruns, or throwing people out from left feidl than your useless to the team. I don't care how much you play softball, you don't know your ass from your elbow when it comes to baseball. Spolied fucking yankee fans are thw worse. Stop your whining Melky isn't playing cause like you said you'll cheer when they win so get used to seeing Giambi playing and get used to the fact your boy Melky got lucky he was even playing this year. Your favorite yankee is a benchwarmer, deal with it. Try watching a NL game for once than tell me a walk isn't as good as a hit you turd.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 24, 2006 11:38:41 GMT -5
It's not a question of a differing opinion meaning you don't watch the team. But the things you have said imply a complete ignorance of the 2006 Yankees.
And yes, you do bury your head in the sand and yell lalala. You've done it in this thread.
Batting average may not be the only important stat, but you act as if HRs are the only stat. Drawing walks just isn't that important if you can't run. You don't seem to get that. A walk is NOT as good as a hit. You don't need a guy in the middle of the lineup with only about 100 hits on the year. I don't care how many walks a slow as shit guy draws. A hit is more important.
And when it comes to baseball, you will never in your entire life understand the game the way I do.
Melky may have got lucky to play this year, but he still is more valuable to the team than Giambi ever has been, or ever will be. And you can cry about that as well.
Watch an NL game? I hate to break it to you, but other than a pitcher batting, it's basically the same game, and a hit in the NL and a hit in the AL are the same. Not that you've ever watched an NL game, or a Yankee game for that matter.
It's not spoiled to want to see the best team out there, but you wouldn't understand that since you've never seen this team not make the playoffs.
There's something called defense in baseball. Maybe you relate to Giambi because like you, he's a druggie. But that still doesn't change that he is a one dimensional player, who due to injury, isn't even that.
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Post by cactusjames on Sept 24, 2006 11:53:03 GMT -5
"And yes, you do bury your head in the sand and yell lalala. You've done it in this thread."
And you do it all the fucking time.
And let's stop getting personal too before I fucking lose it, ok? You're stupid fucking jokes are going to do nothing piss me off and I won't make jokes. In lament terms, one more druggie reference brings about jokes of my own. You have that knack, especially with me, of making what in your mind is a joke is actually offensive. I really don't want to be offensive to you, so do me a favor and just cut that shit out now.
I know there's defense in baseball, my opinion is that even with Matsui in there, the defense can't be that much worse off than if Melky was in. I'll give you it's an upgrade but the team will NOT be in worse shape just cause Melky is keeping Giambis seat warm.
So go ahead and crack jokes that only you laugh at and keep thinking you're the ultimate yankee/baseball guru. When you're ready to have an intelligent unbiased baseball discussion, maybe I'll consider actually acknowledging your existence. I'm done with you.
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Post by ajfreakz on Sept 24, 2006 13:38:38 GMT -5
this whole sheffield at firstbase gig with one week togo before the postseason is scaring the crap outa me..
very worried that in a big spot he is going to fuckup.. i mean he's fucking up now aginst the drays what about in a big part of the game in the division series...??
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 24, 2006 18:08:00 GMT -5
Here's the problem James--Melky IS that much better defensively than Matsui. He's better enough to possibly change games with his glove. Matsui has the effort and heart, but Melky is simply better in the outfield. But Matsui's bat is amazing. He belongs in the lineup, and that's what the DH spot is for.
The bottom line is that as of this post, Freakz has it right. Sheffield simply isn't ready. HE is ultimately the one that should be sitting.
As for you being done with me, I'd say don't make me laugh, but it's too late. You did.
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Post by ajfreakz on Sept 24, 2006 19:46:19 GMT -5
i think the best thing you can do is keep sheffield ready for the alcs or ws. but dont put him on the ALDS roster.. sure it's gary sheffield, but anyone who really thinks that after missing 3+ months and not getting alot of chances to play, how can joe really put this guy on the roster. its not fair to the guys who did the work, and really if you've seen him in these 3 games he looks like shit hitting and fielding. i say DH matsui and keep melky in leftfield.. i really think he will fuckup the 06' postseason if he is on the roster.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 24, 2006 20:36:28 GMT -5
Another big worry we have is Villone. He can't be relied upon.
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Post by JimmyBig on Sept 27, 2006 3:33:54 GMT -5
Villone has been used too much this season
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 27, 2006 6:14:59 GMT -5
No doubt. I always say that cream rises to the top, but shit sinks. Going into the season, Villone stunk for most of his career. But this year, he WAS having a good year, until recently. Overuse.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 27, 2006 10:16:54 GMT -5
Anyway, moving on from that, you have to be worried about Randy Johnson. Looks like this balky back of his may bite us at the wrong time.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 27, 2006 11:15:39 GMT -5
Here's the thing about Randy Johnson--he won his share of games. He is CAPABLE of pitching very well. But anyone who has an ERA of 5.00, which Johnson has, is not going to be a major loss. Cory Lidle has about the same ERA in his time here and part of that was due to starting a few times with an injury.
Johnson is at best, a number 3 starter, and that's pushing it. He's not the same guy he was before he got to NY. It's not like Wang is hurt. THAT would be far worse.
Lidle is arguably just as capable of pitching a gem, and even if he isn't JUST as capable, the talent drop isn't that much.
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Post by Chris on Sept 28, 2006 12:30:12 GMT -5
I just don't get it. I'm just baffled by Yankee fans. Yes, OK OK, Melky has done a fine job. But why are talk radio callers falling over themselves to portray Matsui as a "TERRIBLE" outfielder? TERRIBLE? ?? Come on.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 28, 2006 12:57:15 GMT -5
Terrible is a strong word, and I wouldn't say that. But he's average at best, with a not so special arm. Melky is better in the OF, which makes him the best option. Melky in left gives us the best team on the field. If we didn't have Abreu, I would have liked to have seen Sheff in right, Melky in left, and Matsui as the DH. Of the people in the mix, Melky should not be the one on the bench.
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Post by Chris on Sept 28, 2006 13:16:55 GMT -5
The radio personality who fills in for Michael Kay (when he vacates his time slot early to do Yankee game broadcasts) used the term, "terrible" then re-emphasized by repeating "TERRIBLE" yesterday. Then he took calls agreeing with him.
I'm like Tom Hank's in the movie BIG - "I don't get it"
Matsui, Sheff, and Abreu are better hitters than Melky any day of the week, and like it or not, Giambi is NOT sitting the bench. He's an RBI machine, like him or not (and we know you don't Balls). Melky will be a Chad Curtis, Juan Rivera, Ricke Ledee (when we had them) type player this post-season and rightfully so.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 28, 2006 13:25:08 GMT -5
He's NOT an RBI machine. Matsui and Sheff both can outhit Giambi in the same spot. Melky is far better than Curtis, Rivera, and Ledee combined.
Melky is a different kind of player than the others. He's not a power hitter, and he IS a better hitter than Giambi. It's just not his job to drive the runs in. He gets DRIVEN in. He's a role player, and someone NOT swinging for the fences every time. Sitting Melky is just plain stupid.
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Post by Chris on Sept 28, 2006 13:32:32 GMT -5
Balls, you can spin monthly and weekly stats all you want...and in the end Giambi's batting average leaves A LOT to be desired. I'll sign on with that.
BUT...when a season is all said and done, and a guy is standing there, regardless of his average, with 110-120 RBIs, and you're team is headed to the post-season, he's going to be in the batting order...period...no exceptions...and no manager in the world would even try to spin-doctor his way into benching that guy. That's it...period. If you're contention is to bench Giambi in favor of Melky, and you asked 100 people involved in Major League Baseball about the decision, 100 people would disagree.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 28, 2006 13:49:21 GMT -5
RBIs are due to constant opportunities with Jeter and Damon on base. That batting average makes him the weakest hitter in the order, and he's still basically an all or nothing person who connects big 1 out of every 15 plate appearances. That number will likely get worse because he'll be facing better pitching.
The Yankees simply don't need his bat as much as they need Melky's glove. And given Melky's average is 25-30 points higher (if you include the stacked April), he is MORE likely to get a hit in the playoffs. He's also faster, and can actually do something when he's on first besides get forced out at second. Most important, he can catch the ball.
Matsui alone makes up for Giambi's production. So does Sheff alone. The best team possible would have EITHER Giambi or Sheff on the bench. It doesn't matter which. Sheff is the better hitter, and Giambi is the lesser of 2 evils defensively.
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Post by Chris on Sept 28, 2006 15:14:01 GMT -5
I know Balls...all that is fine and good...that's your opinion and you are entitled to it. I, and a lot of others disagree with it, but it's your opinion.
The point I'm trying to drive here is that baseball people, who make a living at being baseball people, who know a lot better than you and I, will NOT, I repeat, WILL NOT, hold Giambi's RBI totals under the microscope that you do. Scouts, managers, GMs, bench coaches, owners.....none of them, to a man, would even begin to contemplate diminishing the value of Giambi's numbers via the means that you do: who hits before him, who's on base when he's up, etc... The way this works is, they look at Giambi and say, "Wow, he's got 118 RBIs...he's gonna be an important part to our post-season line up." Period...end of discussion. It's just that cut and dry, regardless of how you or any other Giambi detractors feel - he has a LOT of RBIs - he's NOT sitting.
By the way, don't make it sound like Dale Berra would have had 110+ RBIs if he had Jeter and Damon up before him....someone still has to hit the ball to drive those guys in.
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Post by 9 on Sept 28, 2006 15:16:03 GMT -5
Dale Berra would have driven in at least 30 runs.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Sept 28, 2006 15:33:03 GMT -5
if that's the case, then A-rod shouldn't have gotten mvp with jeter, sheffield, giambi and others always getting on base ahead of him last year
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 28, 2006 17:08:41 GMT -5
Baseball people, who make a living at that, see the same things I do. One dimensional player who can't hit the ball when you need it. Can't field, can't run, and isn't as important to the team as Melky is. And a LOT of people AGREE that Melky belongs out there--not because he's homegrown and named Melky, but because he EARNED it.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 28, 2006 17:35:24 GMT -5
You're wrong, NOT a lot of people agree that Melky belongs out there - its the extremists who have nothing better to do with their time.
Terrible is a strong word, and I wouldn't say that. But he's average at best, with a not so special arm.
First off, average is fine. Average means he wont make any glaring errors. He'll do his job. Its safe to say there will not be a situation where a play will occur that he would not make and Melky would. You act like Melky is a gold-glove outfielder. He's not. Matsui played CF for his entire career in Japan. He knows what he is doing out there. And, in case you forgot, he IS going to be out there next year, and Melky won't. Time to move on.
Cho, dont argue with this idiot. The whole idea of sitting Giambi to get Melky's no-power .280 bat in the order is insane.
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Post by Chris on Sept 28, 2006 19:03:12 GMT -5
Balls, seriously, how can you say that? It's clearly not true. If "baseball people" see the same things that you see, then why is Giambi constantly in the line-up? When it comes to Giambi, the Yankees have and will continue to act in stark contrast to what you would do with the guy....how can you possibly say that they see what you see? Giambi plays, and plays a lot, and plays in big spots, because SOMEONE in the know would rather him be there than Andy Phillips....and come play-off time that same some one will rather have Giambi in there than Melky.
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Post by Chris on Sept 28, 2006 19:07:49 GMT -5
Personally, for Melky's future, I would love to see him stick around...again, as a Chad Curtis/Ricky Ledee/Shane Spencer/Juan Rivera type utility outfielder. As to your point about Melky, Balls, I agree that he is better than those guys. All the more reason I'd love to see him stick around in that capacity. Imagine what a luxury it'd be to spell Damon, Matsui, or Abreu/Sheffield with a player the quality of Melky....as opposed to Bubba Crosby?
I'm just afraid that Melky might just be a tad too good for that kind of role, and some one is gonna offer the Yankees something for him. If they can get pitching for Melky, great...but I wouldn't like to see Melky dispatched simply for the sake of the perception of an over-crowded outfield.
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