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Post by mac0822 on Nov 15, 2007 11:07:56 GMT -5
As I've said before - they should blow Fenway up. That park is a joke. They could put 50k into the stands, so they need to build one.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 15, 2007 11:10:16 GMT -5
Paying him $23 million to pinch hit was not exactly anticipated when you're signing an MVP hitter--even 7 years down the road. Sure, they expected he'd drop off eventually, but not to this level.
It's hardly unheard of for a guy of his age to hit .280/25/100.
And as for the Fenway tickets, it's a perfect example of how salaries DO affect you and me.
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Post by mac0822 on Nov 19, 2007 8:42:44 GMT -5
Pete Caldera of the Bergen Record has the scoop: Mariano Rivera has agreed to the Yankees three-year, $45 million offer. Caldera's source is a friend who spoke to Rivera today, so I suppose it's not official official.
Caldera also reports that the friend said, "He would have taken two years and an option." Wonderful. So not only did the Yankees overpay, but now it's rubbed in their faces.
This will surely somehow factor into the deal for Francisco Cordero, now the best closer option on the market. Maybe moreso, it could affect the Joe Nathan negotiations, scheduled to begin about a year from now.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 19, 2007 9:04:57 GMT -5
It's possible, but I don't know. But neither of those guys are Rivera, though both are good. I doubt they'll see Rivera level money.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Nov 19, 2007 9:13:11 GMT -5
plus the Yankees will have a closer, so they won't be driving the prices up artificially.
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Post by mac0822 on Nov 19, 2007 9:32:38 GMT -5
True, but maybe they'll just sign Cordero to setup? $10 million sounds fair.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Nov 19, 2007 9:53:33 GMT -5
not fair enough, make it 12 million and you have a deal.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Nov 19, 2007 10:13:16 GMT -5
Mac stop sweating us.....enjoy your championship....
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 19, 2007 10:22:13 GMT -5
Part of enjoying your championship is sticking it to everyone else.
Come on, you know we did it to him.
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Post by mac0822 on Nov 19, 2007 13:48:27 GMT -5
Even with Lowell signed for 12.5 a year. The Sox infield makes about $5 million less than ARod does alone & only a few million more than Jeter does by himself.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 19, 2007 13:50:17 GMT -5
Yeah, but that's because they have some lower level players and rookies. ARod and Jeter are first ballot HOFers. No one in the Sox infield is that.
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Post by mac0822 on Nov 19, 2007 13:58:11 GMT -5
No doubt.
Yet their infield outperformed the NY by a wide margin this postseason. It's another example of why you don't need a HOFer at every spot.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 19, 2007 14:01:21 GMT -5
You don't NEED one, but it doesn't hurt to have one. Sometimes players don't perform. Boston lost 3 out of the first 4 to Cleveland, just like NY did. They outplayed them and all their other opponents the rest of the way. Over the course of a season, year in and out, I would take Jeter and ARod over whatever combo of SS/3B Boston can come up with.
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Post by massyanksfan on Nov 19, 2007 14:25:10 GMT -5
Wade Boggs and Spike Owen?
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Post by Bad Mouth Larry on Nov 19, 2007 14:31:03 GMT -5
Even with Lowell signed for 12.5 a year. The Sox infield makes about $5 million less than ARod does alone & only a few million more than Jeter does by himself. your team just PURCHASED the world series and you still have the balls to complain about payroll. you are a joke.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Nov 19, 2007 14:32:11 GMT -5
Part of enjoying your championship is sticking it to everyone else.
Come on, you know we did it to him.
I guess I just don't see how complaining about money/salaries is sticking it to us........
Especially when everyone besides Mac and Tom recognize that Boston is just about as bad these days and are 2nd in payroll...
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 20, 2007 8:29:28 GMT -5
Yeah, 2nd in payroll, and that difference between first and second in numbers is larger than the total payrolls of a good amount of teams.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 20, 2007 8:36:04 GMT -5
Which is still irrelevant and doesn't exonerate Boston. The difference in their payrolls isn't nearly as high as you make it out to be. As proven earlier, when factoring in the Dice K/Igawa money, the difference in payrolls is one Jason Giambi.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Nov 20, 2007 9:37:46 GMT -5
Yeah but Tom Boston is just as far ahead between second and the rest of the league in payroll, so they also stand an excellent shot at winning it all according to the "payroll" logic, so I don't see where it is that much more of a great accomplishement than if the Yanks did it according to your reasoning......
I, however, do think it is a great accomplishemnt for any team to navigate the playoffs and win the World Series regardless.....
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Post by $heriff Tom on Dec 3, 2007 11:25:49 GMT -5
Subject name changed to reflect current payroll concerns.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Dec 3, 2007 11:27:31 GMT -5
I have no concerns and I thought you threw in the towel on your crusade......LOL.....
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Post by thecaptain15 on Dec 3, 2007 11:34:38 GMT -5
I would almost rather have Santana get traded and sign with Boston so when they are paying him and Beckett $45-$50M a year combined you might finally admit that the Red Sox are almost as "bad" (your view) as the Yanks.....
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Post by $heriff Tom on Dec 3, 2007 11:41:42 GMT -5
Cap, I already addressed that. Boston gets a pass, anyone behind the Yankees gets a pass. The team that pays the most is the one driving this bus. How can you blame Boston for trying to keep up? Call me to bitch about Boston the day their payroll shoots past the Yankee payroll.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Dec 3, 2007 11:52:34 GMT -5
I disagree that they get a pass.......It takes two to tango......
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Post by kingdzbws on Dec 3, 2007 11:54:21 GMT -5
Where will this end?
Cap, just because baseball has revenue doesn't mean that all of the teams out there can, or are willing to spend 200+ million to compete. For those that can't it's a joke, they get March through May to prentend like they have a chance at contending. For those that aren't willing to spend, they drag the level of comp down and ensure that the studs will court a big money club like the Yanks or the Sox and play them off of one another.
Where does it end?
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Post by jwmcc on Dec 3, 2007 16:34:43 GMT -5
Andy Pettitte will play for his original $16 million next season. There are no options. He decided on Saturday, they talked it over on Sunday and now it’s done.
If you add it up, the Yankees have spent a ton of money this winter. A-Rod ($275 million), Rivera ($45 million), Posada ($52.4), Molina ($4 million), Abreu ($16 million) and now Pettitte ($16 million).
That’s $408.4 million not counting the $30 million Rodriguez could receive in bonus payments.
It’s not my money. But, damn, that’s a lot of scratch.
Alex’s deal is reportedly front-loaded at $32 million for the first three years. At the moment, I have their 2008 payroll at $200.6 million.
That assumes Cano and Wang would receive $4 million each. That $200.6 million figure accounts for only 16 players.
If they retain Vizcaino for $3 million and sign the other eight players for around the minimum, the Yankees are looking at a $207 million payroll.
Could they really add $20 million (at least) for Santana? That would involve increasing the payoll by nearly $50 million from last season
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Post by $heriff Tom on Dec 3, 2007 16:39:07 GMT -5
And dont forget if they add Santana they will probably go into the market for yet another outfielder, so pop on oh, I dont know, maybe 6 more mill. Unless of course they wake up and decide they need Andruw Jones or somethin. Why not? Oh, and what if those Joe Nathan rumors are true.
Much more money to spend!
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Post by thecaptain15 on Dec 3, 2007 16:45:07 GMT -5
Bring it on.....I throw in Kennedy for a Santana&Nathan swap..LOL
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 24, 2008 13:18:54 GMT -5
From todays POST...
"Though their streak of AL East titles ended at nine, the Yankees wound up with a RECORD PAYROLL OF $218.3 MILLION. The Red Sox were a DISTANT SECOND at $155.4 million, according to information received by clubs from the commissioners office."
Ok, which idiot is going to step up to defend and spin this one?
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 24, 2008 13:24:56 GMT -5
Who cares? Most of it is due to re-signing their own free agents and Roger Clemens. It also does not include the $51 million spent on Matsuzaka. The Yankees also had the highest revenue stream of any other team.
Not to mention, payroll doesn't win championships. Boston does the exact same thing, and the only difference right now is a few older contracts.
Fortunately, a lot of lousy contracts are coming off the books, like Giambi, Mussina, Pavano, Farnsworth, and others. The rise of starters like Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, & Ian Kennedy will also lower the payrolls.
Giambi, Pavano, Clemens and Mussina alone account for the differences between the Yanks and Boston.
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