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Post by TripleThreatJYP on Mar 28, 2007 9:28:19 GMT -5
Projected top 4 finishers in the league this year:
1.Larry
2.Justin
3.Laura
4.Pops
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHA
AHAHHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 28, 2007 9:38:15 GMT -5
It'll never happen, but I always thought it would be cool for there to be a "minor league" where the winner of that league gets a spot in the Section 39 league, and the last place team of Section 39 gets sent to the other league. To get back in to the Section 39 league, you HAVE to win. Same rules, same scoring system, and depending on what the minor leaguers want, similar money.
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Post by joetee316 on Mar 28, 2007 9:41:10 GMT -5
So, who wants to do this so called minor league?
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Post by jwmcc on Mar 28, 2007 9:54:25 GMT -5
I would only consider the 2nd league if it was independent from the Section 39 Premiership League, different commish and such.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 28, 2007 9:58:19 GMT -5
Ouch!
Fear not, I would only commit to the main league. The only real connection would be the set up and the prize.
I'm only saying it would be an interesting twist. Finish in the minor league would determine the order of the waiting list. Obviously, a spot opens up with relegation so the winner gets in, but if someone else bows out, the first offer would go to #2 and so on. The difference there is that only the winner has a guaranteed spot until relegated. If someone just can't make the draft one year, he wouldn't have to win the minor league to get his spot back.
It would never happen anyway. Tom would never agree to it. It also makes it much harder to rejoin the main league.
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Post by joetee316 on Mar 28, 2007 9:58:29 GMT -5
I volunteer to be commish, but I would need the scoring system that MSB uses. Is that the league you consider "Section 39 Premiership League?"
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Post by Bad Mouth Larry on Mar 28, 2007 9:59:08 GMT -5
what a great idea, msb. the money in the minor leagues should be less than the majors obviously. and like jw eludes to, the minors should be independent of the majors, different commish and such. i nominate joetee commish of the minor leagues. msb + joetee, get together and get this thing off the ground.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 28, 2007 10:06:31 GMT -5
I'm telling you, Tom's going to quash it. I'd be surprised if there isn't a post being written as I'm typing this one.
There's a lot of risk for someone currently in the majors. It could literally take years to get back in the league. There might have to be some sort of grandfathering exception, like one of the original three will always get his spot back in one year. It is Tom's league, so he shouldn't have to possibly NEVER get back in should he finish last, and I also think at this point, Justin and Jose earn respect for their longevity.
But I'm 100 percent sure it will be quashed. If Tom doesn't say no, he would shock the shit out of me so badly, I won't crap for a month.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 28, 2007 10:12:57 GMT -5
Not happening, as addressed.
People relegated out of my league are free to come back after a year. And rightfully so, they are generally FRIENDS of mine, and ours. This league is about getting friends together to play fantasy baseball.
I would possibly consider the winner of the other league being able to come to this one, but I like the idea that new members are VOTED ON and approved by the league members over here better, especially after so many years of being a working league.
So yeah, this new league can go on, but the winner of it is not guaranteed a spot in this one (although they certainly can come up for a vote....but then again, ANYONE in that league that knows some of us can as well) and no, the loser in our league will NOT be banned until they win the other one. Thats just insane.
Also, I dont want numerous leagues using this section for their fantasy threads once the season starts. I dont mind recruiting going on, or other people joining in discussions pertaining to OUR teams and OUR players as we go on. But this is going to be about this one league.
However, competing leagues or fantasy players can certainly have a thread up for their own league business hosted by us, and I will even tack it for them to find. But it has to stay in one thread. I dont want 2 totally different groups totaling like 20 something different people throwing random threads out in one section on this board.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 28, 2007 10:22:14 GMT -5
So basically, are you open minded to the minor league winner being treated basically like I was saying the second place minor leaguer is treated?
In other words, the guy relegated (sent down/last place guy), doesn't have to win to come back. His return spot is guaranteed should he choose to take it. However, if a spot opens up, you would be open to offering it to the winner of the minor league, unless of course, that person is a complete prick (the solution to that is for JoeTee not to allow a prick in the minor league). No guarantee that winner of the minor league gets the spot, and if he doesn't, he goes back into the pool. What I like about it is that having someone who wins the minor league moved up to the Section 39 league would guarantee a player who isn't a fool and will make the league even tougher to win.
This wouldn't be a competing league. It would be like a "little brother." Run independently, but welcome to be discussed here. All other leagues and info would be in one separate thread to avoid clutter.
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Post by joetee316 on Mar 28, 2007 10:26:21 GMT -5
That's fine. I understand your rationale but if this 2nd league gets off the ground we dont need to make it the same scoring system if it's not gonna serve as a minor league thing. I would appreciate a new thread when we can talk about this 2nd league.
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Post by Bad Mouth Larry on Mar 28, 2007 10:28:09 GMT -5
Not happening, as addressed. I would possibly consider the winner of the other league being able to come to this one, but I like the idea that new members are VOTED ON and approved by the league members over here better, especially after so many years of being a working league. fucking please! you like the idea of the new members being voted on, but how about giving us some options to vote on. boxseatsucks and 9 were all you can get that wanted in. your problem is you disassociate yourself with people so easily that we didnt even have anyone to vote on this year. no disprespect meant to 9 or boxseatsucks, i know both of you a little and you both are pretty cool people, its just taht i would expect tom to be recruiting some older bleacher members and not people off the msg boards. but this league is run with only toms agenda in mind. hence why frost is no longer in the league. |
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Post by joetee316 on Mar 28, 2007 10:31:36 GMT -5
I stated last year on the the other board that I was possibly interested in your guys league.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 28, 2007 10:47:40 GMT -5
Problem is, Joe T, the guys in charge are not on the other board. I had no idea.
I cant help who decided to volunteer to join our league. The invites were out there. I am not the only one who has to recruit, especially as I was happy with both folks up for vote. As to the oldtimer issue, Suzy was given a spot WITHOUT A VOTE. That has been done in the past. Walkman John was offered one, but pulled out not once but twice, even after we moved dates around for him. Other oldtimers like Gang Bang Steve have no interest. Others like Kwik, Fat Rak, and a bunch more already played, know the league is here, and were not interested in coming back.
Considering we bought back 10 players from last year, its not really an issue. Now, going into next year, we know Joe T is a possible option, although if his league does well, does he want to move?
To answer your question, Balls, no - the winner of the other league has no special in. They can come up for vote. But ANYONE who we know can up for vote. In other words, the person does NOT have to win the other league to ask in to ours. We are open invite.
Next year Grover has a guaranteed spot. If everyone else chooses to return, there IS NO OPENING. Walkman John also is out there to rejoin, and is interested. That means another person would need to leave on their own. So we are not really looking to recruit. And we will never add extra teams. Thats not happening.
You know, now I'm mad. I SENT REPEATED EMAILS TO EVERY LEAGUE MEMBER DISCUSSING THE OPENING IN THE LEAGUE. You all could have told anyone you wanted about it. Dont come on here and insult me by blaming me for the lack of this person or that person in this league, especially after I put out a call for the opening on multiple occassions, and I moved the date around more than once this year to try and keep certain people in the league that would have made people happy.
Ungrateful assholes.
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Post by Bad Mouth Larry on Mar 28, 2007 10:54:42 GMT -5
im sorry tom. i am being ungrateful. my sincerest apologies. thanks for the hard work you and msb put in to get this together. its a fine league and one im proud to be a winner in.
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Post by TripleThreatJYP on Mar 28, 2007 10:58:50 GMT -5
I like the league the way it is, although I wouldnt mind seeing a couple people replaced, however if anyone DESPERATELY wanted in this league they would have tried their best to make it happen. All I want is Walkman and Grover back in the league and from the sounds of the posts it looks like they will be back.
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Post by jwmcc on Mar 28, 2007 11:14:54 GMT -5
Eh, did you just read Tom's post? If Grover comes back and no one else quits/gets kicked out I'm in the minors for the foreseeable future. But if that's the way the cards fall I'll live with it.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 28, 2007 11:19:36 GMT -5
This league is a smaller version of the softball game in that there are only so many openings, and not enough spots. 12 people in a league is a solid size. We COULD expand, but more people than just Tom have objected to that idea, and you really can't blame them. Imagine the later rounds of the draft with 15 people. "Oh boy! I got Miguel Cairo! Great pick!"
It would probably add another half hour to hour per person on draft day. So it's not the best option.
Unlike the softball game, people can be not invited back. But I don't see that happening anymore. Everyone in the league this year is wanted in the league.
Relegation opens one spot a year. John had first dibs on it, and had to give it up.
We ended up with 2 open spots this year, and Tom absolutely tried for as many options as possible. All in all, I think we did very well with Suzy and Neil.
JoeTee, it's hard to remember posts from 1 day ago, let alone a year. Sorry if we missed you. Something similar happened with Rocky being a softball captain in 2005, but that was rectified in 06.
John and Grover are definitely wanted back.
What I really like about getting new members from a "minor league" is that first, they pay some dues to get in, and more important, they have at least a year to get used to our system of scoring and how the play works. Saves rookie mistakes.
But Tom absolutely put out more than one e-mail asking the league for candidates though.
Fair enough about not giving the winner of the "minor league" any special consideration other than being put in for the vote. Even without that, a minor league has a lot of benefits. Gets more people involved under the same rules. Prize money may be different. That's up to them. Sessions may or may not happen. That's up to them. Hell, it could be a free league if that's what they want. But if JoeTee wants to go for it, I'll help with the set up.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 28, 2007 11:21:54 GMT -5
I am confident both Grover and John will be back. There is usually an unplanned opening. To be blunt, it could always turn into a FORCED opening. If John had been able to come back this year, Neil would never have made it in. God bless Neil, but I wish John had made it back, for the old-school flavor, and his familiarity. We surely tried to make it happen. Grover has first dibs on return next year, going by the one-year lockout when relegated. So its his call.
A lot can happen between now and next year. Someone may not be able to make the date. Someone may not have the money available leading into the draft. Someone may quit on us this year, and I may bounce them. I have a feeling we'll see John and Grover return next year. Regardless, I do NOT see any further openings anytime soon. This is a pretty consistent bunch, for the most part.
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Post by BoxSeatsSuck on Mar 28, 2007 11:44:01 GMT -5
Ill be honest with you.... if there is so much drama surrounding my entrance into the league, I will out of respect for other members that have far more seniority then I, relinquish my position next year should I not finish last.
I personally like everyone that is in the league along with the people that I have grown to know and speak to out in the bleachers.
If I had known that being selected into a Fantasy Draft would have caused so much turmoil I would have nipped it in the bud and given my spot to a veteran.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 28, 2007 11:46:35 GMT -5
Actually, there really isn't that much drama with your entrance to the league. As for veterans, it's not like you were voted in over some old-timer. Don't worry about it.
Way to pick Igawa in the 12th round by the way.
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Post by BoxSeatsSuck on Mar 28, 2007 11:47:41 GMT -5
Igawa is going to make all of you WISH you would have picked him earlier in the draft.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 28, 2007 11:50:08 GMT -5
Ill be honest with you.... if there is so much drama surrounding my entrance into the league, I will out of respect for other members that have far more seniority then I, relinquish my position next year should I not finish last.
Not happening. You're in. If the question around some people is how well known they are to others, well, thats what this board and this season is for. If you participate and you dont finish last, its your spot. Dont give it up. I am entirely comfortable with you in the league, and if anything any griping around here has to do with who is NOT in, than you yourself being in.
It's going to be a fun ride, enjoy it. I am thrilled you have been as active as you have been even in this early stage - quite frankly, you put some people who have been in the league a few years to shame in regards to that part of it. You do not have to answer to anyone, so dont.
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Post by TripleThreatJYP on Mar 28, 2007 12:03:43 GMT -5
"There is usually an unplanned opening. To be blunt, it could always turn into a FORCED opening."
LOL
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Post by IronHorse4 on Mar 28, 2007 12:19:53 GMT -5
I am fairly certain Joe T made his desire to join the league known either after the vote for the spot was in motion or after it had already been decided completely.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 28, 2007 12:21:55 GMT -5
Almost certain? I'd say it was definite. If I had known he was interested, he would have been included in the vote, no doubt.
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Post by joetee316 on Mar 28, 2007 12:24:55 GMT -5
Nope. Boys check section39.com from last year (if the thread still exists). I posted something last year when the season was in progress but I harbor no ill felelings.
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Post by IronHorse4 on Mar 28, 2007 12:26:40 GMT -5
I'm talking about on the other board, in response to you taking current league members to task for not telling you Joe T was interested on the other board. I'm pretty sure he didn't post it even over there until the final spot was decided or in process. I remember reading the post (though I can't seem to find it) and thinking, "Nah...too late now."
ETA: Hold up...last year?? How is someone supposed to remember that? If Balls couldn't remember it, then no one could...his memory is amazing. Should have spoken up. Maybe next year.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 28, 2007 12:47:43 GMT -5
Yeah, enough about last year and especially the other board when it comes down to this. None of us remember any of that, nothing malicious was done here.
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Post by joetee316 on Mar 28, 2007 12:52:16 GMT -5
Once again I harbor no ill feelings. This time I'll even spell it right. I got enough on my plate (fantasy wise) to be bitter or angry. Best of luck to y'all. I cant wait for the season to start. I already did one and I have three more drafts in the next few days. I am a force to reckoned with. One of the years I'll show you all my prowess.
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