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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 18, 2008 20:20:05 GMT -5
Another shit performance by Phil Hughes.
5.1 innings, 8 more hits, 4 earned runs, a whopping 1 K. On the season - brace yourself....
16.1 innings, 24 hits, 15 earned runs, 10 walks, and 10 Ks. 8.27 ERA.
Well, maybe Ian Kennedy has stepped up in his stead. Lets see...
11.1 innings, 14 hits, 11 earned runs, 8 walks, and 9 Ks. ERA is 8.74.
I mean, holy fuck!
Folks, we have problems. Sure glad we passed on Santana! What do we do next? We dont have time for these idiots to learn on the job.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Apr 18, 2008 22:25:13 GMT -5
it's all giambi's fault dude.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 18, 2008 23:27:09 GMT -5
Oh, and by the way, Johan Santana's line tonight....
7 innings, 4 hits, 3 earned runs, 0 walks, TEN K's.
But I am sure glad we held on to Kennedy! Those silly Twins! How dare they think we would let Kennedy go for Johan Santana!
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 19, 2008 7:06:47 GMT -5
You're an idiot.
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Post by ajfreakz on Apr 19, 2008 10:36:13 GMT -5
ohh yes but lets not forget about his last performance prior w/ the 3 homerun game oh wow santana is 2-2 on the year for $137 million for a .500 pitcher sign me up now ..!! hahahaha
im just bustin im sure he will have a stellar season and sir kennedy and mr hughes will probably have 10 wins each but id rather try things with the kids than give up right away...
Tom is like our version of Mike fatsessa he is MR double talk...woot woot
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 19, 2008 10:50:57 GMT -5
I'm just here to throw a cold slapdash of reality to the proceedings. I mean, think about this. IF Hughes and Kennedy are only good for 10 wins each, what do we get from Mussina? Say 10. Well, that adds up to 30 wins from THREE of our FIVE rotation spots. It also means no playoffs.
The Yankees do not have the liberty to do what they are choosing to do here, which is throw the kids to the lions. The reason Hughes should not be up getting hammered right now is the reason you dont see a Homer Bailey starting in Cincy. Hughes is one of the youngest players in the Al for a reason - he should not be there yet.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Apr 19, 2008 12:23:59 GMT -5
ohh yes but lets not forget about his last performance prior w/ the 3 homerun game oh wow santana is 2-2 on the year for $137 million for a .500 pitcher sign me up now ..!! hahahaha im just bustin im sure he will have a stellar season and sir kennedy and mr hughes will probably have 10 wins each but id rather try things with the kids than give up right away... Tom is like our version of Mike fatsessa he is MR double talk...woot woot Santana has good stats, he's 2-2, but a good stats.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 19, 2008 12:54:31 GMT -5
27.2 innings, 20 hits, 10 ER, 4 BB, 28 Ks! 3.25 ERA! Yeah, Balls tried this tact too, citing Santana's one bad start. When he could cite the SEVEN Hughes and Kennedy have between them instead.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Apr 19, 2008 13:12:22 GMT -5
Tom and if we got him the minute we went on a losing streak you'd be yelling about how a team with a $300M payroll shouldn't lose a game. I knew there would be growing pains but I am glad we held on to the youngsters and as I said in many of the past discussions I was willing to miss the playoffs this year (not saying we will) for the future betterment of the team.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Apr 19, 2008 14:20:14 GMT -5
Here's the thing. This team plays for each year, every year...... charging $250 for a seat with a team that doesn't make the playoffs doesn't cut it.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Apr 19, 2008 14:20:46 GMT -5
I only get charged $12......
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Post by Chris on Apr 19, 2008 15:57:56 GMT -5
I guess now that Santana is at least in the state of New York, he's on Balls' radar.
So let me clue you in Balls. Santana has ALWAYS given up home runs. That didn't stand in the way of 2 Cy Young Awards.
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 19, 2008 16:51:15 GMT -5
Chris, let me clue YOU in. The guy in the second half of last year was very ordinary. Not a 2 time Cy Young winner.
In his 2 Cy Young years, he gave up 24 HRs each. Last year, he gave up 33. In 4 starts this year, he gave up 5. Barry Zito gave up 24 HRs in his Cy Young year. Clemens gave up 19 in his last effort. Colon gave up 26 HRs in his malarky Cy Young year. It happens.
But Santana isn't pitching like a Cy Young candidate and he is not the best pitcher in baseball right now.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 19, 2008 17:28:26 GMT -5
In 4 starts this year, he gave up 5.
And his ERA is still 6 runs lower than that of Hughes and Kennedy. SIX, you douchebag.
Did you look at the rest of his stats? Absolutely dominated, from "hits to innings pitched" to "walk to strikout ratio." Yankees WISH they had a star like him on the mound.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Apr 19, 2008 18:45:09 GMT -5
Look I am not like Balls..Santana is a great pitcher and I would never try to minimize him. I just was not for giving up 2 high end and 2 of our better prospects PLUS pay $140M. If we could have gotten him for the package the Mets did then I would have been all for it but Minnesota had too much pride and was basically forced into the Mets offer after the Yanks and Sox kind of "bowed out".
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Post by Chris on Apr 19, 2008 19:26:17 GMT -5
And as Balls defends Kennedy and Hughes, Kennedy has just made another early game exit, with the team 4 runs down, with an astounding 1:1 balls and strikes ratio - thereabouts.
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Post by Chris on Apr 19, 2008 19:36:50 GMT -5
The only reason the Red Sox bowed out is because trading for Santana would have cost them prospects AND TWO hefty contracts - there's no way in hell that a weighty Santana contract would have enabled them to hang on to Beckett without an equally fat contract when his time was up.
The Red Sox would have been looking at two 125 - 150 million dollar pitcher contracts. Otherwise, they pull the trigger in a second.
The Yankees had no such problems. None of our current starters could make a legit argument that they should even be paid a fraction of what Santana is worth. They should have made the deal. Last we heard it was not a case of losing Melky, Kennedy, AND Hughes...it was various permutations of 2/3rds of that trio.
EDIT - With hindsight being 20/20, giving away BOTH of our young pitching prospects and retaining Melky would have been the best scenario. I'll tell you one thing - Minnesota is pleased as punch that they didn't deal with the Yanks after seeing Kennedy and Hughes output thus far.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 19, 2008 20:09:30 GMT -5
Another disaster from the two-headed monster. Balls, you going to line up and still give us a smug defense of all this garbage?
I did not see or hear any of this, thank the Lord, I was outside smoking a cigar and drinking some beer while the girls watched Finding Nemo again. Maybe Kennedy shoud watch Finding the Plate.
ERA up to 9.64 now...so are we going to keep marching these two idiots out there? I can live with Hughes, but Kennedy has no business being up here right now. Going by stats, neither does Hughes, but he has a much higher upside than Kennedy.
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 19, 2008 20:59:24 GMT -5
All right--so what do you do? Logically, you send Kennedy down and bring up some loser from AAA, who will likely do the same.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 19, 2008 21:10:19 GMT -5
So are you finally acknowledging we have a serious problem here?? And for the record I dont think we will have the same, even Igawa did not pitch to an ERA on the high side of 8. These guys are not just stinking up the place, they are the laughing stock of the league.
Can you admit the Yankees have made a mistake in going with "the kids?"
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 19, 2008 21:13:32 GMT -5
Dumbass, I never said there wasn't a problem.
And NO, it was not a mistake in going with the kids. The story is hardly over, and not everyone dominates or even SNIFFS the majors at their age. Do you really think they should have mortgaged the future for one guy, spending another $150 million, another 7 years, who will be ready to hit the downside of his career? Had they done that, then they TRULY would have been the laughing stock of the league.
Of course, only an idiot would care about what the league thinks. Who else in the league has made the playoffs every year since 1995?
It's April.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Apr 19, 2008 21:47:28 GMT -5
I only get charged $12...... there are people paying $250 to watch pitchers that might not crack the Rays roster
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Post by Jason Giambi on Apr 19, 2008 21:50:19 GMT -5
EDIT - With hindsight being 20/20, giving away BOTH of our young pitching prospects and retaining Melky would have been the best scenario. I'll tell you one thing - Minnesota is pleased as punch that they didn't deal with the Yanks after seeing Kennedy and Hughes output thus far. You got that right, the time to trade them was over the winter. Talk about holding on to something too long.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Apr 19, 2008 22:14:34 GMT -5
there are people paying $250 to watch pitchers that might not crack the Rays roster
that just makes me smarter by paying $12 ;D
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Post by thecaptain15 on Apr 19, 2008 22:21:00 GMT -5
These guys have been crappy but even Santana wouldn't be winning with the way the bats are going or should I say not going....
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Post by 9 on Apr 19, 2008 23:10:15 GMT -5
HA HA, Tom. Kennedy really shut you up with tonight's performance! Oh, wait ...
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Post by Chris on Apr 19, 2008 23:34:02 GMT -5
"Who else in the league has made the playoffs every year since 1995?"
Now that's just a silly comment. We haven't won a world series since we haven't had upper echelon pitching.
But since you asked.....The Braves! That's a team who has always managed to put up starters who are tops or near tops in the league and their playoff run was longer than the Yankees. The Braves problem with championships has always been the opposite of the Yankees problems - not enough offense.
Not sure why the Yankees think that a 900+ run offense is the key to a World Series, when exactly every one of their 26 championships were won with superior pitching in tow.
Hey look, I'm not gonna play the old "I called it" game. I did nothing of the sort. I said on this board that I wasn't TOO bothered by the Yankees bailing out of the Santana sweepstakes because Boston didn't get him. BUT, I did say then that the lack of a Santana caliber guy, even though Boston didn't get him, still puts us behind Boston as far as the rotation goes. That is proving true. I was ok with rolling the dice on these young guys, as was Cashman, and it's just not panning out. Not sure that there's any encouraging signs that these guys are going to turn it around and become what was expected of them. Remember, there was a lot riding on Hughes and Kennedy. Kennedy was damn near expected to be an ace-caliber guy and Kennedy was expected to be at least a 12-14 win guy. That's not happening. Javier Vazquez and Jeff Weaver were better than Hughes and Kennedy....at this point.
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 20, 2008 7:44:21 GMT -5
First of all, the Braves have not made the playoffs every year since 1995. But anyway, WS or not, this team has been in the upper echelon of baseball for nearly a decade and a half.
So again, who cares if the other teams allegedly are laughing. Fuck them. They don't know a damn thing.
And for crying out loud--it's APRIL.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 20, 2008 9:03:20 GMT -5
And for crying out loud--it's APRIL.
And this is the kind of talking I always rail against, and costs teams playoff slotting. It gets late very early in baseball. I always had to roll my eyes when John Sterling would encourage the Yankees to throw away a game cause "its only April" - and then September comes and the Yankees are one game back - that one game they gave away in April by throwing a doof like Kennedy to the wolves again.
Kennedy needs to go back down, no doubt about it. And Hughes better fix things, and quick. So much for the "genius" of Dave Eiland. This crap continues maybe he does not stick around long enough in New York to keep that genius tag of his.
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 20, 2008 10:37:26 GMT -5
Yet the idea of crying in April, when there is time to right the ship, is just dumb. Yes, a game in April is as important as a game in September, but to panic when teams have time to right the ship is stupid.
Amazing how you were so pro-Eiland before he had the job. Would you rather go back to Guidry?
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