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Post by MSBNYY on Dec 28, 2008 16:16:02 GMT -5
From what I read, it sounded like the card just kicked ass. Has the light heavyweight division come to the point where there are only 3 guys vying for it?
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 3, 2009 11:18:01 GMT -5
This saturday night, Rampage vs Jardine, the winner is to get a title shot vs Rashaad Evans. Does anyone want to see something other than Rampage vs Sugar Rashaad for the belt a few months from now?
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 4, 2009 10:41:46 GMT -5
Where does Griffin stand now? I was very surprised he lost to Evans, but that fight did show the legitimacy of the Ultimate Fighter reality show.
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 4, 2009 12:57:48 GMT -5
Forrest is stil up there, but my thinking is if Rampage beats Evans, you'll see a Forrest/Rampage rematch.
And Forrest losing to Evans proves to me he didn't really beat Rampage for the belt, the judges gave him the belt, but I don't see that as Rampage losing the fight. I don't like putting the belt on someone when he didn't win it decisivley(sp). But Jardine has knocked out Chuck and Forrest, so if he beats Rampage, he might be higher than Forrest at this point. After saturday, the title picture for the most stacked division in UFC should be a little more clear.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 4, 2009 13:12:24 GMT -5
I seem to remember feeling the Forrest did win the fight legitimately. I also don't recall any controversy with that decision.
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 4, 2009 13:19:55 GMT -5
Well it isn't like someone got screwed, because Forrest did really well against Rampage, I just felt, as did others like Rogan etc. that Rampage did enough to hold on to the belt, in that instance, you can't give the belt to someone in a fight that was pretty much a draw. That's all. Forrest didn't get his ass kicked and walked out with the belt, but he shouldn't have walked out with the belt, it was too close to take the title away.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 4, 2009 13:21:08 GMT -5
I guess that's a fair opinion. I felt that Forrest simply won the fight, fair and square. No KO or anything, but I felt he beat Rampage, especially once the second round hit.
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 4, 2009 13:54:44 GMT -5
Besides the leg kicks that took their toll, what else did he do? Anytime he had Rampage down he could do shit. And Rampage got in as many shots as Forrest did. Did he win that second round? Yeah, but Rampage won and round and then the next couple of rounds were draws, nothing was happening. If it was a non title match, I wouldn't care, but the title is on the line and the judges take the belt away when he was not beat soundly. I don't agree with that at all, and am confident right now Rampage wins a rematch.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 4, 2009 13:58:48 GMT -5
I think Rampage really only won the first round, and by not as much of a margin as Forrest in the second round. I get your point that it sucks to take away the belt that way, but I don't think Rampage was screwed. I think he did legitimately lose. I think if he WAS screwed, you would see more outrage.
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 4, 2009 14:36:32 GMT -5
I don't think so for two reasons, first of, I'm not saying Rampage got screwed, Forrest did an awesome job, but my argument is that it wasn't as cut and dry in Forrest favor. Rampage did better than people give him credit for. But, I won't say Rampage won the fight, my argument is, in a fight as close as it was, and many people besides me think this way, you can't take the belt when he lost the fight but he wasn't beat. I know it doesn't make too much sense but that's the way I see it.
And another reason there wouldn't be a big thing about it because that's not Rampage's style, if he loses he takes it and moves on.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 4, 2009 14:53:35 GMT -5
Fair enough. I think you CAN take a belt from someone--if they lost the fight. A draw? Champ retains. But I don't think the challenger should have such a disadvantage that he has to win decisively. Winning is winning.
I think right now, Evans is clearly undisputed, and there will be an undisputed champ no matter what.
Could be worse. There could be some interim champ. I hate that. And one thing the UFC seems to do better than boxing is get the top guys together without major waits.
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 4, 2009 16:16:18 GMT -5
See I disagree, how can someone be champ but there's still questions if he beat the guy or not? Forrest won, but he didn't beat Rampage to the point where you felt he was better than the champ. It's not a disadvantage to me, you can't show up to a fight, have a good round or two and say you out fought the champ. I felt he won the fight, but he didn't be Rampage so much that I can sit here and say Forrest is a better fighter than Rampage, how could I feel he was rightfully champ?
I'd love a rematch, and I want Rampage to win just so we can have best of 3 between the two. It'll be like Ali/Frazier, Frazier won the first, Ali the next two.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 5, 2009 12:45:23 GMT -5
But that's the thing--Forrest WON. That's the whole point of the fight. Sure, you want a KO, or some sort of one sided thing, but in the end, it doesn't seem anyone is saying Rampage WON. A good round or TWO wouldn't cut it. You need 3 out of 5. He got it.
And while I agree a rematch should happen, I don't know if this would be Ali-Frazier, except for the need for a third match. Those fights were on another level.
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 5, 2009 13:28:24 GMT -5
I have agreed with you he won the fight, I argue he didn't beat him, and many feel the same as I do. Sure he can win a fight vs Rampage, but did he beat him to take the title? If there's doubt, and there is in my mind, and in a bunch of MMA experts mind, you can't take the belt away. Which is why in my mind the best call would have been draw, because he didn't beat Rampage outright.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 5, 2009 13:35:10 GMT -5
I think if you would have had a draw, or even a Rampage decision, THEN you would have had some major controversy.
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 8, 2009 0:26:03 GMT -5
Rampage won by unanimous decision, but Rashad Evvans, who was doing color commentary, got into the octagon afterwards and him and Rapge got into a heated talk fest. Rashad told him he was going to knock him the fuck out, Rampage isn't getting shit(when Rampage said he's coming for his belt), and said Rampage is going be to crying like a bitch.
But Rampage said he has a lot of respect for him and shook hands, then Rampage took the mic from Joe and said there's going to be more black on black crime, and threw down the mic. He really said that.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 8, 2009 8:38:26 GMT -5
Great hype. That's awesome.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 8, 2009 9:05:42 GMT -5
A lot of hardcore MMA's are going to hate that. They go ballistic when anything "pro wrestling" enters the Octagon.
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 9, 2009 14:12:14 GMT -5
Not this time around, not only does the fight have great potential, but after that exchange, it just sold more PPVs, no question. Listening to Evans on commentary. he was cool the entire time till Rampage put Jardine on his ass and he knew his friend Jardine lost. After that he was putting over Jardine and just ignoring all questions about Rampage. Maybe it was the fact he's going to be facing him for the belt, maybe it had more to do with Jardine losing a close one, but he got in a real bad mood right away. And at first Rampage was just talking smack, not heated, not angry just Rampage being Rampage. But Rashad was the one cursing at Jackson, insulting him, and Rampage kept his cool till the end with the black on black crime comment, and he was just fucking pissed. He walked right out the octagon after that, you could tell he wasn't in a good mood. It was intense and any hardcore MMA fan was like holy shit watching it. And started a countdown till the fight.
And this wasn't pro wrestling either, in wwe you can tell when it won't be more than a nose to nose exchange, there was a change they were going to go right then and there. I bet something happens at the weigh in, and that's a boxing thing, not wrestling. No one minds that, so any hardcore MMA fan that went ballistic was exactly like me, getting everyone back in front of the TV to see it.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 11, 2009 17:30:43 GMT -5
Thanks to www.f4wonline.com for this. MMA TV personality reported dead in auto accident last night By Dave Meltzer The Fight Network radio and other MMA sources today have listed the identity of a man killed late last night in a Newport Beach, CA, auto accident as Charles Lewis Jr., better known as Mask from the Tapout television show and clothing line.
Lewis Jr. was a regular at major MMA events and Tapout a multi-million dollar clothing line was one of UFC's major sponsors.
MyFOXla.com reported this morning that a man driving a speeding red Ferrari crashed into a light pole at just before 1 a.m. last night. The driver of a white Porsche was arrested as police investigate whether a street race led to the accident.
Newport Beach Police Lt. Craig Fox reported that the two vehicles collided, sending the Ferrari into the pole, knocking the pole over and breaking the car in half. A woman pasenger was thrown from the car and was taken to a local hospital with several broken bones including a broken arm.
The driver of the Porsche sped away, but another officer spotted the vehicle. The suspected driver, Jeffrey David Kirby, 51, was booked on suspicion of gross vehicular manslaughter and a DUI and is being held on $1 million bail.
Fox said skid marks indicated both cars were traveling at top speeds.
Mauro Ranallo on The Fight Network earlier today reported that sources at Tapout confirmed the story as being true, but police had not released the name of the man who was killed.
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Post by Chris on Mar 12, 2009 2:19:15 GMT -5
The guy who founded the TAPOUT and HITMAN clothing lines (geared toward MMA fans and fighters) died in a horrific drunken, street racing accident in Newport Beach....I heard about this in my AA meeting, as his business partner shared the news.
TapouT co-founder Charles "Mask" Lewis died in a car accident early Wednesday morning in Newport Beach, California. A 1977 Porsche coupe collided with Lewis' 2004 Ferrari Modena, crashing it into a light pole that destroyed the entire front of the car.
Jeffrey David Kirby, the driver of the 1977 Porsche, has been arrested for gross vehicular manslaughter while intoxicated.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 12, 2009 7:31:11 GMT -5
He should be locked up until Mr. Lewis is no longer dead.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 12, 2009 8:53:17 GMT -5
So Ken Shamrock flunks a roid test, and it looks like his fight with Bobby Lashley is off.
Shamrock tested positive for the steroid Stanozolol and two Nandrolone-based substances, according to a statement from the California commission.
Oops!
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Post by joetee316 on Mar 12, 2009 9:40:40 GMT -5
Sucks! Another one that would have been fun to watch.
Shamrock's experience/old age/deteriorating skils vs. Lashley's size/and new career move
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 12, 2009 9:40:41 GMT -5
When was that fight supposed to be?
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Post by joetee316 on Mar 12, 2009 9:48:41 GMT -5
March 21st in Pensacola, Florida
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Post by Chris on Mar 12, 2009 10:20:24 GMT -5
"So Ken Shamrock flunks a roid test"
WOW. An MMA fighter, especially one who was a former wrestler, flunks a roids test.
That's about a surprising as night time. I would be shocked if he passed it.
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Post by joetee316 on Mar 12, 2009 10:23:33 GMT -5
And Frank Shamrock has always accused Ken of being a steroid abuser. Their relationship will probably get uglier now.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 12, 2009 10:28:38 GMT -5
Cho, you did it again!!!!!!!!!!
You printed news I had already printed! On top of that, the news you printed was in the POST JUST ABOVE YOURS!
You guys really, really, need to read other peoples posts.
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Post by Chris on Mar 12, 2009 10:38:12 GMT -5
HAHA! Sorry Tom.
This thread really isn't my thing...so you'll have to forgive the lack of interest in reading it....sorry.
Anyway, from insider sources close to the deceased...while Lewis was drunk, both men were guilty of irresponsibly street racing on Jamboree Bl. I drive Jamboree every day.....NOT A GOOD IDEA to street race there...never mind that there are not one, but TWO Newport Beach Police Stations off of Jamboree as well as a courthouse. Not too bright.
All credit for this story goes to Tom "Scoop" Brown!
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