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Post by $heriff Tom on Jul 11, 2007 9:04:23 GMT -5
Linda McMahon is stepping into the Devils Den tonight, when she faces off with Bill O'Reilly tonight. This could be a bloodbath. Bill is really angry at all of this, and to top it all off he has a lot of his facts wrong, which always makes for train-wreck TV. Linda has a rep for handling herself well under the gun....we shall see.
I wonder if the old Wrestlemania music theme is going to play when she shows up on screen.
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Post by Domi on Jul 11, 2007 9:09:33 GMT -5
Domi reminds me of the punkers in the 80s who wore swastikas or pretended to comprehend and support communism for no other reason than to piss people off. It's very Bohemian of you Domi, but sorry - been there done that - you're about 20 years too late. You crazy rebel, you. Don't you listen to Skrewdriver? (Yes, I thought of this 2 weeks after the fact.)
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Post by jwmcc on Jul 11, 2007 9:16:26 GMT -5
What happened? O'Reilly is on his soapbox about wrestling in general or just Benoit? Jw
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jul 11, 2007 9:24:28 GMT -5
I only saw bits of pieces of him railing against it the week it happened - he was on vacation last week and I have not watched this week. A bit of everything. Its funny, a lot of people were angry at him for going into "victim-blaming mode" cause he kept hammering home that from all accounts Nancy should have up and left, cause she was in a dangerous place. True or not, its not the tact a lot of people like to hear when a wife is murdered.
He is not a wrestling fan, and he has jumped on the all too easy steroid brigade. I am sure that is the tact he is going to take. Bill is a yeller, i have a feeling he is going to yell at Linda tonight, matronly woman or no. Hopefully I can get a sneak preview of whatever is planned on this afternoons Radio Factor.
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Post by jwmcc on Jul 11, 2007 9:36:22 GMT -5
Nice, I may have to watch this thing while cleaning the apartment tonight. Jw
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jul 11, 2007 9:38:48 GMT -5
I think it will be worth it. Its certainly the talk of the wrestling underground.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jul 11, 2007 10:01:20 GMT -5
What time is it on?
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jul 11, 2007 10:21:12 GMT -5
8PM and 11PM. I am stunned you do not know that. I am also stunned that you did not simply click somewhere or pick up a paper to find that out yourself before asking the question.
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Post by grover on Jul 11, 2007 10:57:42 GMT -5
I saw the Ultimate Warrior go apeshit on Hannity & Colems. Hannity asked Warrior if he thought that steroids had played a part in it all, and Warrior went on a big long shouting rant about how Steroids are not that bad if used in a holistic manner. He lost his composure in a very embarrassing way.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jul 11, 2007 11:08:48 GMT -5
I saw that too. I love how he justified steroid use by citing himself and Gov. Arnold and saying, "look at us, they did not destroy us." He went on and on about the dummies who look golden on the outside but allow themselves to go "rotton on the inside" cause they ABUSE steroids, and ruin them for everyone else.
Some of the more notable guests on these shows have included Marc Mero (who is very articulate and a fair and accurate crusader for change), Lanny Poffo (who is the rave of the wrestling insiders cause he is just so freakishly odd and came across as quite bizarrre) and Steve Blackman, who changes his own steroid history with each show he has been on.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jul 12, 2007 6:15:00 GMT -5
IDIOT!!!!
That Linda McMahon appearance was a clip from a 2002 interview. BOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jul 12, 2007 7:49:55 GMT -5
I take no blame for that. Blame the scattered wrestling websites plugging the thing, and going so far as to solicit questions Bill should ask Linda, promising to "email them to Fox and Bill" in hopes the fans could get some answers. After I saw the fiasco of a taped clip, I went to Bills website and there was no plug at all for Linda, and that segment was only described as more fallout from the Benoit case, which Bill did open up with.
If I had checked that during the day, I would have smelled a rat. Actually, I did, after the intro, when Bill never mentioned she was upcoming when he ran down the lineup.
In Bills defense, he had a Hell of an interesting piece on the "dumb" San Diego Padres for scheduling "Gay and Lesbian Night" the same night they had a cap giveaway promotion for "kids 12 years and younger."
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Post by MSBNYY on Jul 12, 2007 8:36:45 GMT -5
You may take no blame, but you shall receive it anyway. It's your fault. I was so disgusted after that clip that I went right to bed--at 8:30! Now I'm on 9 hours sleep. And why do you get to call him Bill?
You are at fault for this. You lied, and people died. I just hope you didn't hand al-qaeda some hope.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jul 12, 2007 12:23:47 GMT -5
By far THE best rebuttel coming from WWE environs to all the discourse being shot around on the talkie circuit, and its by Mr Kennedy.
Ken Kennedy made a statement on the Benoit issue on ken-kennedy.com
"Please GOD, I'm just BEGGING for someone who has actually wrestled in a WWE ring in the past decade besides Jericho, Bret Hart, John Cena, and Ted Dibiase to come forward on one of these shows and tell the world what's really going on. For these goofs, like Lanny Poffo? Ultimate Warrior? and Marc Mero???!! to repeatedly act as "experts" and "wrestler advocates" on the current situation is like having a frustrated ex-jock who rode the pine bench throughout his high school sports career give advice to Brett Favre on how to improve his game! It's ridiculous, insane, and it really makes me sick that these so called reporters like Bill O'Reilly, Nancy Grace, and Geraldo Rivera, call upon these silly bastards who are bitter and frustrated that their careers have ended to represent the WWE which of course makes all of us look like a bunch of babbling idiots who are all addicted to steroids, drugs, alcohol, etc.
THINGS ARE MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THEY WERE FIVE OR TEN OR TWENTY YEARS AGO! Most of the "expert", frustrated ex-wrestlers that they've had on the show came from an era where everyone wrestled every day and then went out and partied like rock stars until dawn, drinking copious amounts of alcohol, smoking cigarettes and marijuana, snorting cocaine, taking fistfuls of pills, and injecting massive amounts of steroids. They would take pills to go to sleep, snort coke or take speed to get up and do this day after day after day! This would not be even remotely tolerated in today's environment. We have a strict drug policy in place. The WWE's wellness program was designed and instituted by the same doctor who implemented the NFL and the NBA's substance abuse programs. Contrary to what somebody recently said on one of these "tabloid" shows the WWE's allowed levels are exactly the same as the NFL. (Someone, I can't recall exactly who said it, said that the WWE allowed a 10:1 Testosterone to Epitestosterone level, which is false. We have a 4:1 level exactly like the NFL and the NBA.) In fact, I knew of someone who took an over the counter supplement from GNC which he didn't know was on the banned list, which caused him to have an elevated testosterone level. This individual was suspended and fined because of it. We can't even take Ephedrine which is another legal supplement that can be bought at any gas station in the country. Since I've been with the company, I've seen the few people that did have problems with drugs either sent to rehab to try and help them overcome their addictions, (sent to one of the top rehab facilities in the country and paid for in full by the WWE) or be fired for repeat offenses. Look at the list of wrestlers who have prematurely passed away over the years, and most of them made the decision to live their lives this way. That's right, I said "made the decision" because we have this cool thing in the United States of America called "freedom of choice". I have the choice to quit my job if I don't like it, or if I feel that I'm on the road too much. I have the right to choose whether or not I want to break the law and use drugs. I have the right to choose between eating healthy food and exercising regularly and eating fast-food three times a day, not going to the gym, and becoming obese like a good majority of the citizens in this country. When will individuals be held accountable for their own actions? Will it ever happen, or will we always try and point the finger at someone else? Unfortunately as much as I respect the man, Superstar Billy Graham is ultimately responsible for the health problems he suffers from right now because of the choices he made in his career. I find it both sad and humorous that the man who many say is largely responsible for starting the whole "steroid craze" in pro-wrestling is now pointing the finger at the industry rather than blaming himself.
I, like everyone else in the company, have the luxury of being able to go home almost every week, play with my dog, hang out with my girlfriend, sleep in my own bed, and eat good home cooked food. This wasn't the case with these frustrated ex-wrestlers who are trying to grasp on to FIVE more minutes of fame and recognition.
I hear some of these guys talking about how the WWE doesn't have any type of benefits. I heard Johnny Grunge's widow on Nancy Grace saying that wrestling leaves you with nothing, and that two weeks after her husband was released from WCW that they lost their cars and their home. It apparently wasn't obvious to Nancy Grace, who is reportedly an extremely intelligent person, that they were obviously living outside of their means, and they weren't doing something that my parents taught me to do when I was a little kid……SAVE MONEY. This job pays well, but I know that it won't last forever. It's the same problem with pro athletes and actors in Hollywood who spend, spend, spend, like the money grows on trees and like it's always going to be there, and then falls flat on their faces when their careers are suddenly cut short. Who's fault? The team? The studio in Hollywood? I'm sorry, but I have no sympathy for people who don't save money and spend everything that they earn so they can impress everyone around them with all the NEAT THINGS that they own. As far as the having no health insurance thing goes, I've been seriously injured twice since I've been in the WWE. Every red cent has been paid for in full by the company, which is the case for any employee who is injured during a work or work-related event. Yes, I have my own supplemental insurance which is a bit expensive, but if WWE paid for it, I'm sure that, just like every other company in the country that offers health insurance to their employees, I would just be paid less, so it's a wash!
In the end, we are all responsible for our own actions. Saying that Vince McMahon is responsible for the deaths of the Benoit's is like saying that you and I are responsible for the deaths of Anna Nicole Smith and her son. The millions of people who tuned in every week to be entertained by "how funny" she was when she was all PILLED up and DRUNK, suddenly became the same people who acted SHOCKED and APALLED when she died of a drug overdose. Somebody, PLEASE, stop the insanity!!!!
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Post by jwmcc on Jul 12, 2007 12:27:35 GMT -5
Of course this guy chooses the ole shoot the messenger gag. Jw
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Post by cactusjames on Jul 12, 2007 12:44:11 GMT -5
Kennedy rules. My favorite heel in the company along with Edge really set this shit straight. I knew the day of that all the media outlets would focus on one issue and not the other. Cause they don't know. Even we as wrestling fans can't grasp or understand what wrestling does to ones body. I remember someone saying the first week it happened, this is the biggest sports story of the year, and even bigger for wrestling fans. It wouldn't nearly been as big as this is if it still wasn't viewed as a circus act. I'm sorry, Johnny Nitro is in better shape and more of an athlete than some guys in the NHL, or NBA. But cause the end is "fake" and wrestling use to be in big top tents, it's a side show. But now it's gets this big exposure and coverage, but still treated like insignifigant event when thousands upon thousands can go to a wrestling show at any given time. Wrestling is fucked, but it's good guys like Kennedy have the smarts and whatnot to express themselves in an intelligent way and prove what dumb fucking assholes these reporters on these major networks can be.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jul 12, 2007 13:23:22 GMT -5
KENN E DY!!!!
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jul 13, 2007 8:23:26 GMT -5
OK, so the WWE IS sending a wrestler out to debate Marc Mero on the talkie circuit tonight....Look for FINLAY to appear on Nancy Grace tonight. I think the show is on CNN Headline News, but I do know its replayed on Court TV at like 1AM for all you DVR and burner types. In other words, "check your local listings."
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Post by bernie51williams on Jul 15, 2007 1:02:54 GMT -5
I have watched wrestling for about 9 years now, and yeah i'm starting to lose interest in it but I respected Chris Benoit, he was one of the better wrestlers in the business but what he did will put a big dark cloud over his great wrestling career.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jul 15, 2007 7:54:03 GMT -5
His wrestling career is completely irrelevant. I would hope any respect you had for him is long gone. He's a murderer. A baby killed. And if it exists, he's in hell.
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Post by cactusjames on Jul 15, 2007 12:57:25 GMT -5
It's where I'm different. I agree it's hard to watch a match and put the guy over in your mind cause only one thing sticks out at you, but I can't go as far as to say all respect for him as a WRESTLER is lost as well. But I'm one of those who doesn't care what people do in their own privacy. Is what he did a horrible, cowardly targic thing to do, of course. But he snapped in his house, not in front of a camera. To make a comparison, is OJ remembered for anhythin g else, nope, probably shouldn't be. I can't blame people for that. I can'tlame peoples mind for going there first when talking about Juice of Benoit. But one night to me doesn't take away the yards OJ ran and the TDS he scored. One night doesn't take away the 20 years Benoit gave us fans, the matches, the sacrfices. Yeah what he did is disgusting, it's understandable if the first thing you think of is muderer when talking about Benoit, as a person he sucks, but what he did doesn't change he's one of the best of all time. It sucks he won't be remebered as such, but a personal choice he made doesn't erase that face and make it untrue. There plenty of things we've learned that hasn't been true about Benoit, but him being one of the best has been ture, is true and in my mind at leastwill be true for a while.
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Post by bernie51williams on Jul 15, 2007 13:24:19 GMT -5
of course i've lost all my respect for Benoit.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jul 15, 2007 14:16:17 GMT -5
James, the murders OJ committed absolutely takes away everything he did on the field. All he is, is a murderer. Not an ex-football player.
Same with Benoit and wrestling. His legacy is as dead as he is.
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Post by cactusjames on Jul 16, 2007 12:14:28 GMT -5
Yeah they tarnished their shit, they can't be remembered as anything else, but it does NOT erase accomplishments.
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Post by IronHorse4 on Jul 16, 2007 12:40:07 GMT -5
What accomplishments? Benoit had accomplishments? He was a fucking actor.
Benoit was one of my favorite wrestlers, but....accomplishments??
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Post by MSBNYY on Jul 16, 2007 12:44:41 GMT -5
And yes, it does erase his accomplishments. He's a baby killer, nothing else.
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Post by cactusjames on Jul 16, 2007 14:06:50 GMT -5
Right, so his broken neck was a fucking act Justin. If you think being one of the best in everyones mind for 20+ years and being abl to say you were champ, predetermined or not, is a huge fucking accomplishment by itself.
And Balls you're dead wrong. It was a horrible personal decision, and that's it. It dosn't mean he didn't have a professional life, and excelled at it. You act like he killed two of your family members.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jul 16, 2007 14:46:42 GMT -5
No James. He's a baby killer. Nothing he did in life was relevant. His career as a wrestler is irrelevant now. Means nothing. No accomplishments.
And I'm acting as if he murdered a 7 year old kid.
He is pure shit.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jul 16, 2007 15:00:11 GMT -5
PRESS RELEASE ECW Press Announces CHRIS AND NANCY by Irvin Muchnick, Story of the Benoit Murder-Suicide, for 2008 PublicationJuly 16, 2007 - ECW Press announced today that it has signed author Irvin Muchnick to write a book about the sensational case of wrestler Chris Benoit. The book, entitled CHRIS AND NANCY: The True Story of the Benoit Murder-Suicide and Pro Wrestling's Cocktail of Death, will be published in 2008. Muchnick is author of the hot-selling ECW Press book, WRESTLING BABYLON: Piledriving Tales of Drugs, Sex, Death, and Scandal (site: http://wrestlingbabylon.com; blog: muchnick.net/babylon, and has appeared extensively in media coverage of the Benoit case. The appendix of WRESTLING BABYLON documents the premature deaths of nearly 100 wrestlers over the last generation from drugs and related aspects of the pro wrestling lifestyle. That information has been cited both by commentators and by a member of Congress urging investigation of the billion-dollar pro wrestling industry. Michael Holmes, senior editor of ECW Press, said: „We are delighted to be publishing what certainly will be the most authoritative and best-written full-length account of the Benoit tragedy and its implications. Irv Muchnick's WRESTLING BABYLON is both one of the most important and one of the most commercially successful books in our company's history. We expect CHRIS AND NANCY to break more new ground.‰ ECW Press (site: http://ecwpress.com) was recently recognized by Publishers Weekly as one of North America's fastest growing and most diversified independent publishers. Information about and updates on CHRIS AND NANCY: The True Story of the Benoit Murder-Suicide and Pro Wrestling's Cocktail of Death can be followed at benoitbook.com.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jul 17, 2007 7:33:07 GMT -5
Toxicology reports will be released today. 1:30PM, with the obligatory Press Conference an hour later. They will be skewed. The steroids Benoit was found hoarding, and probably on, dissapear from the system in about 2 days. So he may be very well found to be "steroid free." I can tell you one thing, he will be found to be drunk. Thats one thing that people seem to be sleeping on....Nash bought it up and was ignored. People have been known to do absurd things (up to and including not knowing what they were doing or not even remembering it) after 10 cans of beer and a full bottle of wine, and who knows if or what pills.
If he is found to be loaded with steroids, this will be a fun day for the WWE. Well, stay tuned.
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