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Post by cactusjames on Apr 16, 2008 20:16:10 GMT -5
In the same interview he rips Adamle, if the Rangers weren't on I'd post it in the other thread.
I love Cade and Murdoch, and I'll be sad to see them split, but I think they could be reall good as singles stars, good mid carders, maybe higher for Cade. Trevor's that throwback kind of wrestler like Harley Race. Cade's got great ability for a guy his size and he was trained by HBK, so you know he'll be a solid guy, like he has been. The tourney is a good place for them to push either of them. More mid carders the better, elevate someone who could really help out somewhere down the road. If they give it to a big name it's a waste. Hopefully J.R is hinting at something meaningful.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 16, 2008 20:47:48 GMT -5
No, no, he does not rip Adamle. He acknowledges fans may be hard on him, but says he can develop well if given the chance. Here is what he said, exactly, on Adamle. Where's the "rip?"
spoke with Mike Adamle, who replaced Joey, at length Monday night after Raw about his new assignment. Mike is a former world class athlete who played in the NFL so Mike’s natural, competitive nature will help the former running back in his new venture. Wrestling fans can be tough to please at times and there is no doubt that Mike will have to earn the audience’s confidence, which will be a work in progress. Hopefully, wrestling fans will giveAdamle the opportunity to settle in and develop his wrestling broadcasting skills. Broadcasting wrestling has never been more challenging, especially considering there are so many masters to serve in today’s marketplace, including promoting magazines, the Internet, sellingPPVs , calling shorter bouts, DVD sales, etc on virtually every broadcast. This business is not about what one has done in the past and any broadcaster is only as good as his last outing. I still get nervous before every show and feel it is my responsibility to get better every week at what I do for a living. "Next week" is guaranteed to no one.
As to Cade, i continue to read they have higher hopes for him. They see him as the "breakout potential" star of the two. I have to agree, as much of a Murdoch fan as I am, with his old-school flavorings.
Cade has size, and is pretty darn good in the ring.
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Post by cactusjames on Apr 17, 2008 12:35:26 GMT -5
I just read a house show report for somewhere in Europe, I think Austria or some place, Umaga was got one of the loudest pops. I'd love to see them turn him face and have him win the King of the Ring and just destroy the set, the throne, robe, crown, sceptor, everything. That would be fucking funny.
On WWE.Com they have pre taped interviews with Y2J, Carlito, Regal and Cryme Tyme about the possibility of winning the KOTR. Since it's a three hour raw are they going to do 8 man tourney or 16? Cause they have 5 guys on the website, if it's 8 guys that's only 3 more spots. I think they're going 16.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 17, 2008 12:50:23 GMT -5
From all accounts I read they are going with an 8 man field. That makes much more sense, anyway. A 16 man field means you have 8 matches in the first round alone.
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Post by cactusjames on Apr 17, 2008 13:21:05 GMT -5
Yeah true, it makes more sense. If it is 8, there's 7 matches just to decide a winner at all. But if they're going with those five guys, Cryme Time, Jericho, Carlito and Regal, what other three guys will go in to make the thing bigger? And they're getting SD and ECW guys in there too so I don't know what they're doing advertising those 5 guys. I thought if they did 16, you'd have some no contest, maybe some quick squashes, this way those 5 guys, plus others are in. But it makes sense to have 8, just not with those 5 guys.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 17, 2008 13:29:16 GMT -5
Just cause they are talking to guys about the "possibility" of winning the KOR, does not mean they are locks to have the chance. They may be playing the angle where just like the fans, the wrestlers do not know who is in. Who knows, they may start the night with a battle royal to decide slotting, or something like a draw out of the hopper.
This tourney does not NEED quick squashes. Its a chance for them to put on some good, solid matches to determine a King of the Ring.
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Post by cactusjames on Apr 17, 2008 15:39:34 GMT -5
I know they aren't locks to be in he running to win it, but if for some reason they do use those five guys along with three others, it's not a good feild for 8. I agree there should be no squashes, which is why I think those five guys are bad choices. If they're just using those guys to hype it and get website hits then it's whatever. But if they're going to do it legit, they need other guys than that and go all out. I'm telling you, this could be a bust, big time.
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Post by grover on Apr 17, 2008 16:10:41 GMT -5
Also keep in mind that this doesn't really guarantee anything. Sure they will look to push the guy who wins it, but in some cases it doesn't pan out. (See: Don Muraco, Tito Santna, Mabel, Billy Gunn, Ect....)
Ultimately it's up to the wrestler to make the most of it.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 17, 2008 17:07:24 GMT -5
James, I am surprised at you. Do you REALLY think Cryme Tyme would be in the tourney??? Come on now.
This is in no way going to be a bust. Its a friggin free weekly Raw. There are 52 of them every year. You are thinking WAAAYYY too much about this.
I am just happy to see a tourney on television again. Just relax, stop bitching about what you THINK is going to happen, and lets see it unfold.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 17, 2008 17:11:28 GMT -5
It took me all of 30 seconds visiting the site to realize that they are in NO WAY pretending these guys you speak of are in the KOR. In fact, each blurb says flat out "so and so HOPES TO BE IN..." and "so and so discusses THE POSSIBILITY OF being in the KOR" Even better was Regal, who you acted like is a lock to be involved, actually comes with a blurb of "RAW GM William Regal WANTS TO BE A PART OF..."
Dont you idiots read before you react?
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Post by cactusjames on Apr 17, 2008 18:16:54 GMT -5
I read it, as I said they may be doing just for hits and to promote it. All my point is, A) those are lame choices for either participating or hyping the thing and B) if it's going to be a mix of big names and mid carders, it's going to be worse. Like Grover said, some KOR winners have sucked, that's even more likely since it's a throwaway on Raw. I am putting too much thought into this, what good will it do a Santino or a Cade to win this thing and be forgotten about? I'm with you, it's nice having a tourney play out in one night. But if it's going to be glossed over a week or so from now, what's the point? The tourney aspect of it is cool, but the results and pending ramifications could be a big waste if they don't book this right and have the right guy win. And based on what I've seen and read, they give me no indication to think it won't be a waste. It's not a PPV, if it blows they can gloss over it and it's no big deal which takes more away from it. Even in Billy Gunns case, a waste as he was he won it, someone won't have that claim if they win monday and KOR bombs.
You don't need to worry cause you like the tournament, i think booking-wise automatically and this could backfire. It's not a given but it's possible. And I'm sentimental to KOR, I love the whole idea of it, I was sad when it went away and happy they brought it back. That's why if it sucks it just hurts the KOR image even more.
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 18, 2008 7:38:30 GMT -5
I think that the worst part of this tourney aren't so much who is participating, but the lack of hype. I realize they are giving it away on Raw, but why only 7 days notice? I would have liked them to take a few weeks and hype it up a bit. Or hell, make it a 16 man tourney with 2 first round matches every week for 4 weeks, culminating with the final 8 going at it tourney style on Raw. It's going to be fine no matter what, but I think it would have been better if they made a bigger deal out of it.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 18, 2008 7:58:21 GMT -5
Or hell, make it a 16 man tourney with 2 first round matches every week for 4 weeks, culminating with the final 8 going at it tourney style on Raw
No, no, no! The big thing with this is that it starts and finishes the same night. Like a TRADITIONAL wrestling tournament. Trust me, the old-school fans are much happier about this idea, than the idea of seeding people over a number of weeks to finish up.
Just let this play out, guys. I mean, really.
And why do they need more buildup?? Raw has a constant audience, the ratings do not swing much. A heap of buildup would not mean much in the ratings, going by recent things advertised like Flair's going-away and things like that . So there is no reason to drag it out. "Insider fans" KNEW there would be something special on this 3 hour edition, they are all somewhat special.
And the fact we are talking so much about it shows there IS hype out there. Apparently you and James cant get enough of what you are seeing on wwe.com regarding it.
So you guys can keep bitching and moaning, meanwhile I am really excited, and Dana and I are making a party out of the night and the tourney.
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Post by cactusjames on Apr 18, 2008 11:14:41 GMT -5
Don't lump me in with Balls, that's the worse wrestling insult in the history of wrestling, and in this case totally wrong.
Again, for the 700th time, I like the tourney aspect of it, from a booking standpoint I have concerns. You're smart, you're going in with no expectations so of course you'll be suprised. But I'm biased towards KOR and want it to mean something, aside from the spectacle of having a one night tourney.And if booked the wrong way, all you'll be seeing is a meaningless tourney. I don't want to sit and watch a three hour Raw with a opne night tourney and have it mean nothing. I think that's just a tad more reasonable than MSB's complaints.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 18, 2008 11:38:41 GMT -5
But why expect so much going in? At the end of the day, this tourney is replacing YET ANOTHER REGULAR EPISODE OF RAW! You know, that thing we see EVERY SINGLE WEEK. Its something different. Look at it as another "roulette wheel" or a "beat the clock challenge" - its a change-up, something fresh. King of the Ring is DEAD as a PPV, they scrapped it, and will not bring it back in that fashion. So let it go back to what it was all the way back in 1988, and a ONE NIGHT TOURNEY ON FREE TV. When is the last time we saw that? We HAVENT. So relax already!
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Post by cactusjames on Apr 18, 2008 11:54:48 GMT -5
I agree, it is a good change. But potentially this could be a yearly thing again, on Raw not on PPV. So if they do it right it could end up being something big. But for that to happen, they need to book it right and have the right guy win. For one week it's not going to hurt the show no matter what, but two weeks from now if it's treated as just a throwaway episode of Raw and as throwaway KOR, then what's the point? Do the lottery draft and have a 6 man tag main event with HHH, HBK and Cena, vs Orton, Batista and JBL. The mixture of all the personalities will make for a pretty interesting match.
IF KOR is going to be good, I wanna see King Selton, or as Adamle called him, The Sheldon.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 18, 2008 12:55:07 GMT -5
Adamle did not call him "The Sheldon" - he just called him Sheldon Benjamin. He called Tazz "The Tazz" and Deuce "The Deuce" - to name two.
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Post by cactusjames on Apr 18, 2008 13:46:19 GMT -5
Oh yeah, forgot about Deuce. I could step in next tuesday and do a better job, I at least know the wrestlers, product and the names of moves. Basically I know everything he doesn't and it's the essentials of being a good announcer. I was the fucking Vin Scully of High School radio calling games by myself and getting praises from coaches, players, students, parents, teachers, radio people. And I love wrestling way more than baseball, I could do that shit in a heartbeat right now, yet that asshole gets a fucking gig.
You know what I was thinking but know it won't happen, how cool would it be to if they call Colt Cabana up from Florida, throw him in KOR and have him win it? Throw him on ECW, he could feud with Punk(again) and have some good matches with a bunch of guys. I read he made a cmaeo appearance at Mania but forgot in what capacity. Guess they're still getting him used to the WWE style of wrestling matches.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Apr 18, 2008 13:49:49 GMT -5
James, time to send that demo tape to Stamford...
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Post by cactusjames on Apr 18, 2008 14:44:35 GMT -5
Problem is they'll want some douche from broadcasting school who knows dick about wrestling over someone who actually has a little passion for the business. And broadcasting school is a fucking waste of time and money and doesn't teach you shit, so inexperienced hacks like Cole and Adamle get fucking jobs when they're the assholes who would fall apart if they were doing the news and the teleprompter went out. Cause they can't improvise, can't go with the flow and don't love what they do. This move by WWE gets me so fucking pissed off. Stupid fucking morons.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Apr 21, 2008 19:47:30 GMT -5
So much for all the great ideas going in...The only saving grace here is if Regal wins it somehow.....
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Post by cactusjames on Apr 21, 2008 20:02:16 GMT -5
Hornswoggle. In the KOTR. It's a fucking joke. There is no saving grace, it's dogshit. Started off good, took a turn for the worse quickly. And the matches were all under 8 minutes. It's lame and I saw it coming.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Apr 21, 2008 20:17:34 GMT -5
I do agree the first two matches were good and made sense and the last two destroyed it......I was surprised Matt Hardy had a quick exit as I thought this might be a spot for him for a bigger push. I just figure if Regal somehow won there would be some funny "King" moments and bits..you know the ones that Tom keeps telling us to forget about...LOL
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Post by thecaptain15 on Apr 21, 2008 20:29:19 GMT -5
Now that CM Punk has been on RAW I guess Balls knows who he is now........ ;D
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Post by cactusjames on Apr 21, 2008 20:43:32 GMT -5
LOL yup, Punk's finally made it to the big time, maybe now people will know who he is.
This is just a typical 3 hour raw, no different than any other time they do a 3 hour special. Regal just won, next he beats Punk. I will admit I like the idea of Regal being King, you know....cause of the british thing. It'll be cool to have an Englushman calling himself King.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Apr 21, 2008 20:49:16 GMT -5
Yes I hope Regal gets it so we can get all that "King" humor Tom said we would never see.......lol.........
Also, McCain was getting my vote anyways but he would have won it with "to be the man , you gotta beat the man".......
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Post by thecaptain15 on Apr 21, 2008 20:57:19 GMT -5
And we are getting the bad Vince bit to boot...so much for special..I wish it was just a 2 hour RAW and they cut this stuff out.....at least Balls got to hear the Hulkster's music....
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Post by thecaptain15 on Apr 21, 2008 21:02:43 GMT -5
That sound you hear is the sound of thousands of channels clicking to another channel....
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Post by cactusjames on Apr 21, 2008 21:07:11 GMT -5
Gotta love Baseball Tonight. God this is brutal, a total MSB show, the show has been nothing but filler.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 21, 2008 21:13:34 GMT -5
Disagree strongly. While the skit that just went on was total lampoon, it was better than the Rosie / Trump stuff. There were some chuckles to be had. Even the websites, the toughest audience of all, are giving it begrudging nods of tolerance.
As to the KOR, yeah, there were some flubs (Khali, Hornswoggle, etc) but there were also some intriguing matchups, and Regal / Punk is fresh and I am looking forward to it. Punk looked good this evening. And you can shit on it as a normal Raw, but it was nothing like that.
You're a baby. Bottom line is that this is one weekly show out of ONE HUNDRED AND TWO on Monday and Thursday nights, and its somewhat different, and thats all I asked for out of this.
And the show is not over yet.
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