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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 15, 2009 19:47:03 GMT -5
I thought you hated DH Smith. Said he didn't have any personality. Has he improved? And wouldn't he be a part of a new Hart Foundation? Or would they scrap a new Hart Foundation because of the similarity to this new legacy stable?
I'd like to see a 4th guy in this stable. This is definitely my favorite plotline, and this is what I wanted for Dibiase and Rhodes all along.
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Post by cactusjames on Jan 16, 2009 15:24:59 GMT -5
I loved the video they did of showing the JBL/Michaels thing, where Shawn didn't want to lay down, the whole HBK lays down for nobody thing. It was really well done but it just dawned on me, he did lay down...once. Back when we screwed over Slaughter(best of luck in the future Sarge), and Shawn laid down in his European Title match against good buddy HHH. But that's why creative sucks, they forget small shit fans don't.
Love The Legacy. They don't need Snuka and Manu. They don't want to do Evolution part 2 with Orton at the helm. Cause with 4 it'd be Orton as the leader, in main events and the younger guys would be IC and Tag. That worked for Evolution, but it isn't worth pushing Rhodes or Di Biase for the IC belt yet. So for now the three works good, Orton is lined up to feud for the belt by spring time, they can easily put the Tag Titles back on Rhodes and Di Biase but in time, let them build a little more steam and heat. Now that they're with Orton, you don't want them jobbing a lot and looking like cronies to him.
Easily the best two feuds on Raw in my mind, as well as Beth/Santino/Rosa/Melina. I can see the payoff now, Santino gets with Rosa and Beth flips. That's going to be funny. Tom what's the story with Rosa, they pluck her out of some women's promotion or is she from their Florida thing, whatever it is, FCW?
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 16, 2009 15:37:13 GMT -5
thought you hated DH Smith. Said he didn't have any personality.
Never hated him, always liked him. But I did say a strike against him in the eyes of others is a lack of personality. He is very talented in the ring, especially for a bigger, lanky guy. I have seen some of his work in Japan, where you work for your money in the ring. He's good. He just needs a mouthpiece to get over in todays game.
Keep in mind not having a personality never steered me to liking or not liking someone. It would be a grating personality that would bug me more than no personality. I have liked a lot of non-personality guys.
New Hart Foundation idea is dead, cause Vince himself wants Smith as part of a legacy group. Also, Natalya was not working as the manager, her promos cant carry Smith and TJ Wilson, the other guy in the faction. They tried it in the minors.
As to "Rosa" - she is Melina Roucka, who was part of an old Diva Search, and been with developmental for like 3 plus years. She is supposed to be beyond bad in the ring, terrible, and has shown no improvement. Thats why she was stuck down there for so long. She looks good enough that they called her in. Even a blind man can see where its going from here.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 16, 2009 17:05:53 GMT -5
I completely agree that neither Ted or Rhodes deserve the IC yet. They are best suited as tag champs. If there is a 4th, it would be a singles guy. Too bad there isn't a legacy that would qualify as a monster. I could also live with 3 for now, since those 3 are a top quality. I wouldn't want a 4th for the sake of a 4th. It would have to be someone worthy.
I wonder if they will do anything else with Dustin and Cody. They had that one wink over the holidays.
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Post by cactusjames on Jan 16, 2009 17:58:58 GMT -5
If they do it better be to get cheap heat and Cody beats the crap out of that freak. All the releases recently and that guy still has a job. I was worried Colt Cabana was gone but now they gave him his own WWE.com show so who knows.
But there isn't really anyone to bring in for a fourth guy, and the whole point is to get Cody and Di Biase over, adding a fourth means less mic/camera time they get. If they were, the only logical move is to have a monster bodyguard/enforcer guy. But Manu didn't pan out. I like this set up, Orton has his spotlight, center of attention, while the other two get the rub. Then add all 3 of them together, they're badass. But they still need to make Cody and Di Biase not come across as Orton's stooges. If they were going to do anything with Manu or Snuka they blew it cause they look like idiots now. So they need to capitalize on putting over Cody and Ted as being able to hold their own, as good as Orton but not better. No need to have a 4th guy crowd the picture for them.
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Post by cactusjames on Jan 20, 2009 11:31:37 GMT -5
For the first time ever I loved Cena's babyface promo. He got all excited when he had to but didn't go over the top. And even if it was a shoot, anyone would say the same about HBK. He still is the best, head and shoulders above everyone else.
Depending on Balls and Tom, and how they would like to monitor and moderate this, but I'm willing to be, based on that promo alone, Shawn gets a title run for a month of two in 09. No cameras, Shawn knows he still belongs in the title hunt if not holding it. He knows exactly what Cena said, so there's no need to feed his ego and say it on air, angle or no angle. After WM, Shawn will get in the title picture and eventually win it, he deserves one more run as the top guy in the business, and there isn't any need for Cena to point out what everyone knows if there wouldn't be a payoff in the end.
So I'll bet my hair, my membership on the board, anything, HBK gets back on the saddle one more time this year. And wrestling or not, I'll lose my shit if he isn't inducted into the HOF next year. NO ONE is better, matches or promos. He's easily in two of the best angles of all time, and in the span of 6 months. NO ONE! So make the terms, I'll sign off. I promise, we will sit atop the mountain by the years end for the 5th time.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 20, 2009 14:24:12 GMT -5
We'll talk about the stips, but you should pay for making a guarantee like you did.
Only way a title run makes sense is if thats the end of HBK, and his swan song, which is indeed possible.
I have no problems with HBK, except his puppydog sad face gets annoying after a while. He has been in two very well-acted encounters the last few months, the one with Jericho, and now this one. He is showing his bones, and doing a good job.
MVP on the show is Orton, though, and I am not even much an Orton fan. Jericho was excellent as well, although they had him looking dumb last night. And I wish Orton did not show so much regret at what he did, but we'll see how it plays out.
By the way, anyone who can not see what is happening and cant figure out the plotline here is a wrestling moron.
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Post by cactusjames on Jan 20, 2009 18:11:33 GMT -5
Obviously, but I hope they don't go the TNA swerve route and make it Shane. But that's why they had Jericho look dumb, get the fans behind Steph and Vince so they really give her heat when she turns.
And I'm telling you it will happen with HBK, besides selling the match at the Rumble and his storyline with JBL, why have him go over, clean mind you, over the world champ and go out of your way to push the fact had HBK not taken the money he could be going to Mania and beat the champ? It's totally set up.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 20, 2009 18:18:42 GMT -5
Well, you were already wrong once, with your "HBK is going to wrestle Taker at Wrestlemania, you watch!" edict. I guess you're folding the tent on that one, huh? You're going to keep guessing till you get one right, I suppose.
Again, if HBK wins the belt, he'll be retired and gone within 3 months from that date. Its a goodbye kiss, if it happens.
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Post by cactusjames on Jan 21, 2009 13:47:06 GMT -5
First off, just cause you didn't read something doesn't mean it wasn't under consideration. I read off two sites the idea of putting Taker and HBK together at Mania. And JR even speculated about it on his blog on HIS website, not the WWE promo blogs.
And I don't think anyone can sit here and say they'd rather see HBK vs JBL instead of Taker. HBK and JBL can be at No Way Out or Backlash, it's a throwaway match on the biggest card of the year. So be proud you were right over me for once, because as fans we'll all suffer at Mania when HBK has to carry JBL to a decent match. Jericho couldn't make JBL look good a year ago at the Rumble, now HBK has to try with an even more limited JBL. Taker limited is a million times better than JBL at 100%. So for the first time in a while I won't care about an HBK match at Mania. Does anyone expect a 5 star match? Does anyone expect JBL to go over? No. Two years in a row JBL is in throwaway matches and now Shawn fucking Michaels has to be in it with him? It's a total waste of his abilities in what's supposed to be the showcase PPV.
Which makes me even more confident in my title prediction. Why makes him suffer through this and not have him get a really good payday/payoff? And if it is a swan song title run, fine. I just don't want the month long reign like he did in 02. No way they go out of their way to put HBK over as still being main event good and championship material to not get a run after Mania. The only problem is timing if Vince doesn't want the belt on him by the time Summerslam comes around. It'll be a two month, 3 month run sometime before or after summerslam, unless they put the belt on him by then and he does the job in the title match at SS. As long as it's more than a month, which is a slap in HBK's face and makes the belt look weak.
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 7, 2009 17:11:57 GMT -5
As is usually the case, the Raw after WM ruled. There were a lot of good things done. I liked the setup for Backlash. But the highlight of the show was Steamboat. I agree with what Tom said about how he looks physically, but the man can still work a match. Ok, he may not be as aerial as he used to be, but he was very good.
Texas crowds are awesome. Only MSG and Canadian crowds rival the crowds in Texas. The way they treated Steamboat was just great. Steamboat must have loved that. I would be surprised to see Steamboat in the ring any time soon, but it was fun watching the man for the first time in years. I really wasn't expecting that.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Jun 7, 2009 20:54:11 GMT -5
What is Vince thinking tonight? ? Unbelievable!!!!
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Post by thecaptain15 on Jun 7, 2009 21:56:04 GMT -5
Jeff Hardy!!! Not
$$$$$$CHING$$$$$$CHING$$$$$$
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Post by sean on Jun 10, 2009 15:06:35 GMT -5
what was the point of putting the title on batista only to put him out the next night? did he go into the title match hurt, or did he get hurt in the match? And where do we stand now? vacated title? I understand putting orton over as a super-heel, but I'm kind of lost here
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Post by thecaptain15 on Jun 10, 2009 17:49:16 GMT -5
I think he got hurt.....Thank goodness.....
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jun 10, 2009 19:25:59 GMT -5
The title move made sense. The other choice was having Batista fail in the big spot AGAIN, and Vince was against this. How many times can he lose the big match. So they threw him a bone on the way out. It also set up a heinous attack, putting even more heat on Legacy. Makes sense.
And yeah, he has yet another bicep injury, already had the surgery I think, and is out for four months. So this was a cover story, and they knew going into the PPV he needed that surgery.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jun 11, 2009 12:33:20 GMT -5
Clearly, the McMahons are more patient with him than with Mr. Kennedy.
I guess I see that logic a bit with Batista, though they could have done that attack before the PPV if they knew the surgery was coming.
They are doing a fatal 4 way for the belt, with Big Show, Cena, Orton and HHH involved.
I'm hoping the belt goes to Orton obviously.
I'm still not happy with Legacy. The Orton push is fine. No complaints. But I want to see more done with Dibiase and Rhodes.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jun 11, 2009 13:12:25 GMT -5
Dont even insult Batista by comparing him to Kennedy. I am no real Batista fan, but he is MUCH MORE IMPORTANT than Kennedy to the company. I mean, holy crap. There are a lot of people that cant even buy Kennedy as more a mid-carder.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jun 11, 2009 13:48:55 GMT -5
True, but the point is that Batista, like Kennedy, seems to spend more time on the DL than in the ring. He gets hurt, rehabs, comes back, gets hurt.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Jun 11, 2009 15:02:41 GMT -5
Well in regards to the CM Punk / Edge and heel/face turns..this was in The Sun...
CM Punk is booked on the heel side of things for upcoming house shows.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jun 11, 2009 15:06:56 GMT -5
Yeah, by late July he'll be teaming with the Big Show. He HAS to go heel, that was too much a puss move.
Balls, while Batista is injured more than most, he is carrying more bulk and is now over 40, which adds to the wear and tear in the ring. He has had four major injuries....but he has been in the fed for over 6 years. Half of the injuries and projected time lost came in the last year.
Early 2003: Batista tore his right triceps shortly after debuting on WWE TV. Re-injured during recovery and returned in October 2003.
-- January 2006: Batista tore his right triceps again during a match against Mark Henry. Returned seven months later in January.
-- August 2008: Batista suffered a torn hamstring, but continued to wrestle until the end of the year before electing to have surgery on the hamstring. Returned in April 2009.
-- June 2009: Batista injured biceps muscle through wear and tear. Elected to have surgery to repair torn muscle.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jun 11, 2009 15:33:53 GMT -5
No doubt his age affects things. But it shows that the injury reasoning doesn't really fly. There was obviously more to it with Kennedy, as you have pointed out.
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Post by sean on Jun 11, 2009 15:47:49 GMT -5
4 way? That's terrible. How about the old 1 night tournament, they have enough PPV's. I'd prefer a battle royale, where at least everyone has "A shot" over a 4 way
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jun 15, 2009 16:32:23 GMT -5
Folks, tonights THREE HOUR Raw is COMMERCIAL FREE.
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Post by heartybooooo on Jun 23, 2009 9:11:26 GMT -5
The kiss your sister ending to the last man standing match, while predictable, sucked. I join the crowd by giving it a hearty boo. Not sure how it advanced the feud.
On a side note, Orton is really good at drawing heat. I'm not a huge fan although I admire his work as a heel.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Jul 9, 2009 8:07:44 GMT -5
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Post by thecaptain15 on Jul 21, 2009 9:15:22 GMT -5
Kendrick jobbing out to Lawler? Guess we will be wishing him well on his future endeavors soon....
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Post by sean on Aug 3, 2009 23:33:38 GMT -5
wow, I thought Shaq was bad...whenever you think it can't getw orse, Vince finds a way. next week, Cena takes 5 Ambien and chases them with some black tar heroin, and immediately afterward wrestles a handicap match vs Big Show, Jericho, Orton, Andre The Giant and One Man Gang. Spoiler Alert!!! He Wins!!!
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Post by $heriff Tom on Aug 4, 2009 6:42:56 GMT -5
Yeah, Raw is in a funk, although I inherently liked the guest GM idea for a time. Im actually happy they are going back to an old WRESTLER instead of a bad actor, however, next week - in Slaughter. Ill tell you, I never hated someone as much as I hated Dr Ken for a while, but at the end of the night when he was calling fans "fat boy" and doing those stooge heel manager antics with Cena in the ring, he had me laughing.
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Post by cactusjames on Aug 4, 2009 13:37:39 GMT -5
Ken was over the top, don't think he was liked in the back cause the guys didn't protect him well at that spot at the end.
I sorta like the guest host thing, yeah some things are bad cause they're not used to shit in wrestling, and it's pretty much a variety show with wrestling that does nothing but promote movies. Next week will probably be GI Joe cause of Slaughter. I hate seeing his chin on tv.
And on an unrelated note, Brooke Hogan said her dad Hulk is considering a farewell tour....can he try to be Naitch anymore and need as much as attention as possible? He will never get a sendoff or good bye like Flair got cause he isn't that good. His moment was the HOF, just like Bret, Rock and Austin's was, and just like Taker, HBK and HHH will have their sendoffs, not like Flair, just one day at the HOF. Fucking spotlight craving douche bag.
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