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Post by pags03 on Dec 9, 2009 11:36:36 GMT -5
Not sure why many people are undecided on this deal. The Yanks essentially got Granderson for nothing, sure Jackson has the POTENTIAL, but will never be a power guy & he's already 25 yrs old or around and Granderson is established @ 28. I know all the #'s of not hitting lefties and this and that, but don't you guys think coming into a Yankee lineup where he doesn't have to be "The Man," may help his #'s? This gets the Yanks a bit younger, quicker and flexible with the lineup and still keeps all of our key chips to use to pry Halladay away!
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Post by thecaptain15 on Dec 9, 2009 11:41:41 GMT -5
10:13am: Sherman says the Yankees re-signed Pettitte for one year and $11.75MM. The Yanks have certainly accomplished their early-offseason goals. Pettitte was one of the better free agent starters available, though he wasn't really available to other teams.
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Post by MSBNYY on Dec 9, 2009 12:51:24 GMT -5
Austin Jackson will be a 23 year old rookie next season, not 25. I actually would have liked to keep Jackson because he could develop into a Granderson without cost, or be used as a trade for a better player like Halladay. Granderson is younger, but he's not that good of a hitter. Again--lifetime .210 hitter against lefties.
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Post by joetee316 on Dec 9, 2009 13:45:02 GMT -5
You guys are crazy if you don't like the Granderson deal. I guarantee you he will hit above the 240 he hit last year. At this point, let Damon walk. Take it or leave it (2 years). If he leaves, Matsui comes back to DH. Pettitte is huge. But we all knew he wasn't going anywhere. --- THAT'S MY BOY!
And another cool thing - Granderson and I share the same birthday. What's his number going to be?
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Post by Chris on Dec 9, 2009 13:59:53 GMT -5
Isn't it a sad commentary, however, that we, as World Champs, are hoping our free agent signee hits over .240? ? .240, 125+ Ks....not thrilled. How about .270, <100 Ks, and a decent OBP in lieu of the 25 homers??? Is that too much to ask? EDIT - I had my LESS THAN symbol wrong
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Post by MSBNYY on Dec 9, 2009 14:07:18 GMT -5
Sounds like you're describing Marlon Byrd, though his OBP last year wasn't that great.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Dec 9, 2009 16:01:55 GMT -5
I actually would have liked to keep Jackson because he could develop into a Granderson without cost
LOL! LMAO! Since when do you care about cost? This is a team who has a bullpen that makes more than most teams entire 25 man rosters!
And one of the reasons Cashman is bragging on the deal actually IS cost. (3 years left at 25.75 million, and an option for 2013)
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Post by MSBNYY on Dec 10, 2009 7:02:51 GMT -5
Dummy--
I care about cost when you already have something and you're not improving the team. Don't you get that as of this moment, the 2010 lineup is worse? He is NOT a good hitter. He will not magically learn to hit a lefty because he has better people surrounding him.
He will not somehow magically cut down on his 140Ks a year.
When I don't care about cost is when we're dealing with people that can actually produce.
This guy isn't a bargain. He's about where he should be. There's a reason he's cheaper than Damon or Matsui. He's not as good.
You're acting as if we got Ken Griffey Jr in his prime. If this guy was such a great bargain, why was Detroit so quick to dump him? Could it be the fact that his average dropped 50 points in 2 years? The guy was mediocre at best last year, and that's a stretch. Now he's expected to replace Johnny Damon? Did you even watch the Yankees last year?
Any team that has a lower payroll than our bullpen doesn't belong in the majors.
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Post by Chris on Dec 11, 2009 12:55:11 GMT -5
One thing...and maybe I'm reaching here....
Granderson has decent power numbers in Comerica. Does that translate to even greater power in Yankee Stadium?
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Post by Chris on Dec 11, 2009 12:55:51 GMT -5
I wonder why the Yanks showed no interest in Rich Harden
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Post by jwmcc on Dec 11, 2009 13:01:53 GMT -5
They did, but not 7.5 million guaranteed interest like the Rangers.
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Post by 9 on Dec 11, 2009 13:15:20 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think that was wise. He has Mark Prior written all over him.
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Post by 9 on Dec 12, 2009 12:02:18 GMT -5
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Post by Jason Giambi on Dec 13, 2009 23:21:09 GMT -5
Chen Ming Wang,,,, no contract tendered. adios, sayonara
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Post by MSBNYY on Dec 14, 2009 6:50:32 GMT -5
Still a chance Wang will be signed at a lesser salary. Can't blame the Yankees for trying to get out of this while they still could. The least Wang would have got was $4 million in NY, because you can only drop a salary 20 percent.
If he goes though, I just hope he goes into the HOF as a Yankee.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Dec 14, 2009 11:59:03 GMT -5
Wang sucks. I have been saying that for a while now. Good riddance.
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Post by MSBNYY on Dec 14, 2009 13:04:00 GMT -5
Wang got hurt badly and never recovered. When you said he sucked, he was one of the better pitchers in the league.
I wonder if he'll go to Detroit. Then they will have a Coke and a Wang.
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Post by 9 on Dec 14, 2009 13:08:19 GMT -5
BOOOOOOOOO!
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Post by $heriff Tom on Dec 14, 2009 15:37:31 GMT -5
When you said he sucked, he was one of the better pitchers in the league
Right...and I said it was all smoke and mirrors - hocus pocus, as it were, and he was due to get his ass handed to him. And thats exactly what happened to him. Obviously the Yankees realized it was a concern, which is why they are sorta showing him the door and hoping he becomes someone elses problem.
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Post by 9 on Dec 14, 2009 16:33:33 GMT -5
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Post by thecaptain15 on Dec 14, 2009 21:15:52 GMT -5
Mike Cameron is a Red Sox....now Tom can tells us what a great move that is.....
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Post by MSBNYY on Dec 15, 2009 6:49:28 GMT -5
Um, in case you didn't hear, Wang got hurt in 2008 and hasn't been the same since. THAT is why the Yankees showed them the door. All Wang ever did was prove how bad you are at judging talent. Mike Cameron, Chris Hammond, and Antonio Osuna are a few other examples of players you like that suck.
I'm thrilled Mike Cameron is on the Red Sox.
I'm sad to see Matsui go, though I understand. He was a good Yankee, and will always get a hand come Old Timer's Day. I wish him well except when playing against the Yankees.
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Post by Lindsey on Dec 15, 2009 11:47:02 GMT -5
That Halladay trade is a fist full of dumb.
Wang is beyond repair, at least on a stage like NY and he knows that.
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Post by pags03 on Dec 15, 2009 12:01:29 GMT -5
On 1 hand glad Halladya is outta the East, but now the Sox have some depth @ pitching Beckett, Lester, Lackey, Bucholtz, Wakefield, Dice - K. They have the 1 thing the Yanks don't have and that's depth. The Yanks need to sign 1 or 2 fringe pitchers, possibly take a flier on Sheets or see what Pinerio is asking?? Lineup is solid, but we still have some holes to fill?? The market for Bay & Holliday is closing....
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Post by MSBNYY on Dec 15, 2009 12:38:19 GMT -5
I don't know if Wang is beyond repair. The stage is irrelevant, because he has proven he can pitch here when healthy. The real issue is whether he's healthy. The Yanks only let him go because they didn't feel he was worth the money. With a $5 million 2009 salary, the most they could legally cut him is to $4 million, well beyond what he is worth right now--especially since he will still not be ready until May.
Wang needs a minor league deal and to earn his way back to the majors. Now that he's free, he'll get that somewhere, maybe even the Bronx.
The problem with Sheets is that he may be expecting the same kind of money that he would get if he were healthy all 2009 and produced like he did before he got hurt. I think if the Yanks get Sheets, it should be for a Pettitte like 2009 deal, where he has a low base, but incentives.
That said, it's possible that a team will give him a higher base and he gets what he wants. Sheets shouldn't look for a multiyear deal right now. He needs to show health, and can make a lot more next year.
I like the idea of Joba and Hughes fighting it out for the 5th spot, with the loser being the 8th inning guy. I'm also interested in seeing what Matt Capps has left, since he would only be considered a 7th or 8th inning guy.
You never know with Montero though--assuming they keep him (which is likely now that Halladay is off the block), if he tears up AAA, he may see a midseason call up in the DH role. They are already talking about Juan Miranda.
So far the 2010 Yanks are worse than the 2009 Yanks, but hopefully things will change by spring training.
Pineiro would be an interesting back of the rotation guy.
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Post by Lindsey on Dec 15, 2009 15:43:47 GMT -5
Wang himself has spoken many times about his apprehension in having to come back to NY. so from his own mouth the stage was quite relevant.
Just watched the Chone Figgins press conference. He clapped for himself when no one else would, and cried at one point. I think someone forgot to remind him that he is infact, Chone Figgins.
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Post by Chris on Dec 15, 2009 18:02:43 GMT -5
Someone forgot to remind him that these are, in fact, the Seattle Mariners.
Hopes he enjoys playing runner up to his former team.
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Post by MSBNYY on Dec 16, 2009 7:31:34 GMT -5
I wouldn't necessarily sleep on the Mariners next year. The top two pitchers in their rotation is better than anything the Angels have, especially with Lackey gone. They have a very good 1-2 punch with Ichiro and Figgins. The Mariners are better than in 2009, and the Angels are worse. Whether enough has happened to close the gap remains to be seen, but the Mariners are going for it now.
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Post by MSBNYY on Dec 17, 2009 7:17:36 GMT -5
So I hear from 3 sources that the Yankees are looking at Nick Johnson as a possible DH. The sources are Fox5, and Sheriff Tom (who counts twice because he's plumpy due to his life of leisure).
First--I still want Damon back. Johnson, when healthy, is a solid hitter, but not as good as Damon. With no speed, it's not like Johnson will fit in the #2 spot.
Granderson is not a #2 hitter.
Johnson is brittle. Always has been. There are a lot of things I like about his bat. He's hard to strike out. He walks. Hits for a decent average. His HR numbers took a dip last year, dropping from 24 HRs in 2007 to 8 in 2009. In 2008, he had 5 HRs in just 174 ABs.
I just think that if we're going to pay someone to be hurt, it might as well have been Matsui.
Damon is still out there. I don't want to close the book on the guy. They should have offered him arbitration.
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Post by heartybooooo on Dec 17, 2009 8:36:56 GMT -5
They didn't offer him arbitration because they didn't want to give him a raise from $13 for one year when they are using Abreu's 2yr, $19mil contract as the comp.
I think all these rumors about other people are all part of the game of chicken they are playing with Damon. Where else is he going to go? The Mets?
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