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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 27, 2010 18:01:44 GMT -5
If he hits like he has over his career, his bat is fine. I don't trust the defense of a guy who doesn't play much leftfield. But if he wins the spot over SWISHER, I won't complain.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 28, 2010 7:15:34 GMT -5
I guess one way to disguise that Curtis Granderson hit just .180 against lefties would be to bring in Winn, who hit just .157 against lefties.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 9, 2010 7:23:17 GMT -5
Yankees bring back Mr. Thames. Yay.
Thank goodness Mr. Thames and second baseman Nick Johnson are reunited.
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Post by 9 on Feb 9, 2010 11:07:47 GMT -5
Thames did have the single greatest debut in MLB history -- hit the first pitch he ever saw in the Majors, off Randy Johnson, for a long HR. It's kind of been all downhill from there. He's a good addition, though.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 9, 2010 12:36:21 GMT -5
Mr. Thames is not really that good of an addition. Another crappy OFer that can't hit much higher than .250.
The Yankee OF stinks--especially with Swisher in it.
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Post by 9 on Feb 9, 2010 14:41:11 GMT -5
He's not a bad backup OF and weapon off the bench. I certainly don't want to see him in the regular lineup.
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Post by Chris on Feb 9, 2010 14:43:44 GMT -5
Boras is a dick, but...
It troubles me that the BEST outfielder the Yankees had a shot at, got the hardest hardball treatment and is now 99.99999999999999999% GONE!
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 9, 2010 14:46:21 GMT -5
I believe the Yankees, at 2 years, $14 million, is the best offer Damon got from any team, by a lot.
I don't blame the Yankees on this one. But that said, I still wish Damon would just come back, and they dump all the crappy OFers they signed.
Granderson is the closest person in the organization to someone worthy of starting in the majors, and he can't hit a lefty. Our whole OF consists of "not a bad backup weapon off the bench."
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Post by $heriff Tom on Feb 9, 2010 23:50:57 GMT -5
Stop whining.
Granderson > Damon
Winn > Gardner
We're sadly stuck with Swisher, but won it all with him last year. It is what it is. Screw Johnny Damon, he's not coming back, he can suck a dick.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 10, 2010 7:16:18 GMT -5
If you think Granderson is better than Damon, you should be the GM of the Mets or Red Sox. Holy crap.
Are you aware Granderson hit .180 against lefties last year? Do you even know who Johnny Damon is?
And as for Winn being better than Gardner? Not necessarily true. Are you aware that Winn hit .150 against lefties last year, making Granderson look like Wade Boggs? Winn in his CAREER is better than Gardner, but not last year.
We won it all last year in SPITE of Nick Swisher. Now, instead of one person disappearing in the playoffs, we have 3. High strikeout guys who can't hit for average will always disappear in the playoffs.
Many high strikeout guys who DO hit for average disappear during the playoffs.
Now, instead of one weakness in the lineup, we have three.
There's a reason Randy Winn was signed for $2 million max. He sucks.
Our OF consists of Granderson, a 3rd OFer, and a bunch of 4th and 5th OFers.
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Post by whalerfan on Feb 10, 2010 8:22:53 GMT -5
Agree with Balls here. The OF is a mess. Gardner couldn't hold the CF job last year and I'm hardly convinced he will this year. Granderson is a nice player, but I'll take Damon over him. The Winn signing puzzled me. Cashman kept saying all he had was $2 million left to spend. The why give it all to Winn? He was AWFUL last year. I seriously doubt Winn even had an offer of $1 million out there.
I didn't mind the Nick Johnson signing, however, I'd rather have seen him as a replacement for Matsui in the lineup, not in Damon's second spot. Johnson is going to clog the bases, if he doesn't get hurt in Spring Training drills.
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Post by jwmcc on Feb 10, 2010 8:36:24 GMT -5
" Johnson is going to clog the bases"
Ugh, for fucks' sake...
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 10, 2010 8:53:05 GMT -5
I think his point is that even if he produces like last year, and even if he miraculously finds some more power and stays healthy, it takes more hits to get Johnson around the bases than it does Damon.
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Post by whalerfan on Feb 10, 2010 9:35:56 GMT -5
"Ugh, for fucks' sake... "
It will take minimum of two hits to score him from first base. Probably three. If he plays, which will always be in question. I'm guessing 120 games max.
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Post by whalerfan on Feb 10, 2010 9:43:10 GMT -5
And if Johnson is injured and Posada sits, this is a potential lineup we'll see from time to time. Not exactly the force of last year's.
Jeter SS Swisher RF Tex 1B A-Rod 3B Granderson LF or CF Cano 2B Thames DH Cervelli C Winn/Gardner LF or CF
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Post by 9 on Feb 10, 2010 10:21:02 GMT -5
The only thing that "clogs the bases" is the Yankees' complete reluctance to run because everyone in their lineup except Gardner is a threat to go deep. I'm not even remotely claiming that Private Pyle Johnson is fast, but what's the difference? This team doesn't run, anyway. They play small ball about once a month.
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Post by whalerfan on Feb 10, 2010 10:38:35 GMT -5
I'm talking about the ability to score from first on a double with two outs or from second on a single. It's not the biggest deal in the world, but it's a nice luxury. Damon brought that to the table, Johnson doesn't.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 10, 2010 10:45:19 GMT -5
Johnson is not a threat to go deep. Not anymore. You can't say that Damon's speed was meaningless to the team. That's simply not true.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Feb 10, 2010 11:06:43 GMT -5
Damons speed has been recompensed by the speed of the guy who inherently replaces him in the lineup, Granderson.
Are you guys forgetting the guy Johnson is replacing, Matsui, was also a slow ass?
Oh, and keep sucking Damon's dong, but there is a reason he cant get over 7 million this year, and GMS around baseball are saying the Yankees scored a win on the winter pretty much due to the Granderson move.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 10, 2010 11:25:16 GMT -5
Granderson does not replace him in the lineup because his average and OBP are low enough that he will not be hitting in the same spot. They are not interchangeable. Damon hits lefties. Granderson does not.
Granderson is a defensive upgrade, but a significant offensive downgrade, unless by some miracle Kevin Long can teach him to hit lefties.
And keep blowing off Damon. There's a reason he has made about $100 million in his career.
Damon's AGE is why he's not getting a deal, not his ability.
The Granderson move will not be a good one if he repeats last year's dismal showing.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Feb 10, 2010 11:27:29 GMT -5
There's a reason he has made about $100 million in his career.
Which Granderson will top, as he will most if not all of Damons' numbers.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Feb 10, 2010 12:34:48 GMT -5
Stop the presses..I agee with Tom on something Yankee related...Barring injuries (of course) Granderson will most certainly blow away Damon's numbers in this park in this lineup....He has 40/40 potential and possibilities.....
I do disagree with him about Gardner but I readily admit I am bit of a Gardner mark and I like him batting ninth in this line up.....He can sit vs. lefties....
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 10, 2010 12:37:49 GMT -5
Again, he hit .180 against lefties. If that doesn't change, he will not blow away anyone's numbers in that ballpark. Yankee Stadium does not teach people to hit a ball coming off the arm of a lefty pitcher.
Maybe he will generate that power, but if he can't hit a lefty, seems like a pretty simple way to get the guy out.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Feb 10, 2010 12:41:39 GMT -5
Balls I think he will hit them better in this lineup and you are probably talking about 150 ABs as opposed to the 450 ABs against right handers.......
I bet you now if Granderson plays a full season he will have better stats then Damon except possibly batting average ..which will be close since Damon only hit .282.......
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 10, 2010 14:18:16 GMT -5
Let's see how he compares to 2009 Damon at the end of the year. And like it or not, he WILL have to face a lefty. The guy hit .250 last year--very Swisheresque.
It says a lot when Swisher will compete for best hitting OFer.
And in the playoffs, guys like Granderson tend to disappear. His career .226 playoff average may not be a great sample size, but it drives home the point--especially since he isn't as good now as he was in 2006.
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Post by 9 on Feb 10, 2010 15:10:07 GMT -5
Look, I'd have been very happy if Damon came back, but he turned down what I think was a very reasonable offer, and there's no way he'll get anything close to that from another team. Instead of directing venom toward Granderson, Thames, Wynn, etc., direct it toward Scott Boras.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 10, 2010 16:09:29 GMT -5
Hey--I'm not disagreeing with you. I'll go further and say that I won't blame Boras. Scott Boras didn't screw Johnny Damon. Johnny Damon screwed Johnny Damon.
I'm just saying that our OF isn't all that good. It's not a championship OF. It's not even a playoff OF.
People like to talk about how we won championships in the 1990s without a solid LFer. True.
But we had 2 all stars in CF and RF.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Feb 10, 2010 17:34:05 GMT -5
Instead of directing venom toward Granderson, Thames, Wynn, etc., direct it toward Scott Boras.
Or as Balls alluded to, Johnny Damon.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 10, 2010 20:31:49 GMT -5
It's true. Much as I hate the idea of Damon not being a Yankee, ultimately, I think the blame is on Damon himself. We all know the Yankees aren't cheap. If anything, they are overgenerous when they want someone.
Let's see if Damon gets a deal better than 2 years, $14 million. I don't think he will. Latest I'm hearing is the Braves for deferred money.
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Post by 9 on Feb 10, 2010 21:09:46 GMT -5
The best he will get is one year with a club option, at what Abreu signed for last year ($5M), maybe a little more.
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